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> Effective Vandalism -- Experimentation Results
karmafist
post Thu 10th August 2006, 5:49pm
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While I don't think it's a good long term strategy, vandalism is a good way to chip away at the credibility of Wikipedia, thus chipping away at the power of the corrupt people who control it.

I did some experiments with another sock, Broad Street, and here's what I found( the contribs are at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contr...s/Broad_Street)



-Make It Fake, and Plausible: Remember Seigenthaler? While that wasn't true, there it wasn't inplausible -- looking at it, you wouldn't say at first glance "this is fake"

-Don't use cultural memes: Everything went swimmingly until I started to use the Colbert Elephant Meme.
People know that's false, so the plausibility goes out the window.

-Make edits slowly: Two days I had three edits, and nobody noticed. The next day I had five, and they caught on.

-Don't have edit summaries: They tend to draw attention, but that's not a hard and fast rule.

-Press the random button and go for lesser known articles: The reversion will be alot faster at say, George W. Bush, than some count from the 18th Century or some long lost theory.

-Remember the IP you're using: They can check that.


Best case scenario -- several new Siegenthaler Crises are made, thus destroying the credibility of Wikipedia, and its funding, forcing it to either become a corporate shill or charging users for an account(thus removing any pretense of being a "free and unbiased encyclopedia") or forcing them to reform.

Worst case scenario -- the majority of articles on Wikipedia are either protected or abandoned(again, removing the "free" pretense), and all new users are seen as potential suspects, creating an atmosphere where they are unlikely to become wiki-addicts and possibly spread the word of the poor behavior of the Cabalists.
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IronDuke
post Tue 22nd August 2006, 5:47pm
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I agree with Somey. In my view there are two problems with WP: the idiot teenage editors, and the bad admins (these groups overlap). Dealing with the idiot teenage editors will take a big structural change to WP, but one can torture the bad admins more effectively by wikilawyer them to death, subtly altering policy pages, gaming ANI/I, keeping careful records of their unprosecuted misdeeds, and by actualling trying to NPOV their pet articles.

To test this, go find a supported fact (with citations) and try adding it to PETA or Hamas, or virtually any page that SlimVirgin and Jayjg edit (or pick your favorite jackbooted demi-facist admin). If they 3RR, report them, otherwise just make the same edit every 24 hours until they ban the particular sock you're using. Make arguments on the talk page that sound like someone who's been causing trouble lately. Find someone who's been bitching to the admin about being harassed, and poke them a few times.

The admins will quickly escalate into verbal violence, and waste countless hours tracking down everything you've done, and then blame whomever is their favorite puppet-master at the moment. I confess to some pangs of guilt because they are almost always wrong and some bystander gets banned or warned, but it all contributes to making the worst admins miserable, and doesn't affect the good ones much.

This can all be done more-or-less within the WP rules, doesn't hurt what information integrity exists within the "encyclopedic" pages (and anyone who would consider WP encyclopedic on a topic like Hamas should have their head examined), doesn't overly disrupt most well-intentioned editors, but drives the cabal nuts.
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post Sat 26th August 2006, 3:54am
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In response to what Everyking said above,


To me, the encyclopedia is a nice bonus, but making sure it does not harm people or is used as a propaganda tool by the wrong hands is a necessity.


I'll do whatever is in my power to stop that while keeping that promise to my friend.


QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 22nd August 2006, 10:28am) *

I don't mean this as a value judgement, but another way to look at it might be that vandalism gives would-be "cabalists" an easy, and highly visible, means of demonstrating their loyalty to the cause. Fixing "ur so ghey" insertions and page-blankings doesn't require the fixer to know anything, other than how to revert.

So in a way, this ultimately contributes to further insularity and mean-spirited elitism among the admins, especially the newer ones, because they're encouraged to take on an "us vs. them" attitude. Whereas, if there were never any vandalism whatsoever, it would be much more difficult to get noticed -- and thereby promoted.

This is all somewhat theoretical, of course...


If there are no new ones, what about the old ones?
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karmafist   Effective Vandalism -- Experimentation Results   Thu 10th August 2006, 5:49pm
JohnA   I wonder if anyone can tell deliberate vandalism d...   Thu 10th August 2006, 7:46pm
karmafist   I wonder if anyone can tell deliberate vandalism ...   Thu 10th August 2006, 8:38pm
JohnA   I wonder if anyone can tell deliberate vandalism...   Thu 10th August 2006, 9:26pm
EuroSceptic   Humm, what would you change on a wikifork?   Thu 10th August 2006, 8:51pm
karmafist   Humm, what would you change on a wikifork? The ...   Thu 10th August 2006, 9:42pm
EuroSceptic   Humm, what would you change on a wikifork? The...   Fri 11th August 2006, 12:58am
karmafist   [quote name='karmafist' post='13194' date='Thu 10...   Fri 11th August 2006, 2:18am
Daniel Brandt   What would I change on a wikifork? I'd instal...   Fri 11th August 2006, 6:10am
JohnA   What would I change on a wikifork? I'd insta...   Fri 11th August 2006, 8:20am
Mr.Treason II   What would I change on a wikifork? I'd insta...   Mon 11th July 2011, 7:27am
everyking   When you reach this level, Karmafist, it's evi...   Sun 13th August 2006, 11:47am
karmafist   When you reach this level, Karmafist, it's ev...   Tue 22nd August 2006, 12:36am
everyking   When you reach this level, Karmafist, it's e...   Tue 22nd August 2006, 9:55am
Ben   I agree with everyking.   Mon 21st August 2006, 6:56pm
Somey   If I'm not mistaken, since posting that sewage...   Mon 21st August 2006, 8:34pm
karmafist   If I'm not mistaken, since posting that sewag...   Tue 22nd August 2006, 12:47am
LamontStormstar   First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, th...   Thu 28th September 2006, 1:42pm
victim of censorship   If I'm not mistaken, since posting that sewag...   Sat 23rd July 2011, 5:10am
JohnA   The first stage in beating addiction is realising ...   Mon 21st August 2006, 9:20pm
Somey   I don't mean this as a value judgement, but an...   Tue 22nd August 2006, 2:28pm
Somey   If there are no new ones, what about the old ones?...   Sat 26th August 2006, 6:51pm
karmafist   If there are no new ones, what about the old ones...   Sun 27th August 2006, 8:51am
Somey   I'm glad that my friend stepped in, vandalism ...   Mon 28th August 2006, 4:13pm
Mr.Treason II   While I don't think it's a good long term...   Sun 10th July 2011, 5:11pm
melloden   [quote name='karmafist' post='13184' date='Thu 10...   Sun 10th July 2011, 5:30pm
carbuncle   I give you my full support in dealing with Wikipe...   Sun 10th July 2011, 6:04pm
Milton Roe   [quote name='karmafist' post='13184' date='Thu 10...   Mon 11th July 2011, 3:56am
Herschelkrustofsky   T... for II... and II... for T... No, we can...   Sun 10th July 2011, 7:59pm
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The Joy   T... for II... and II... for T... No, we can...   Sun 10th July 2011, 10:13pm
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thekohser   Imagine the rage, if sports fans found out there ...   Sat 23rd July 2011, 3:09pm
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lilburne   Now mind you, one of the major unspoken reasons ...   Sun 24th July 2011, 9:27am


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