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> FT2 defends Pedophile's "right" to edit, Uses Meta RfC to intimidate those saying it is wrong
Ottava
post Wed 13th October 2010, 2:23pm
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See here for the current drama. He wants to go at me because he doesn't like it that I pointed out that he defended pedophiles "right" to edit and in doing so pushed a fringe POV that makes him an inappropriate voice when discussing the sexual content related policies.

Notice how he tries to pretend to be a swell guy and I am so awful, where I then point out Bishonen's block of him for blatant abuse and disruption while I was one of the few trying to stop the drama. He sure likes to try and hide who he really is.
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post Thu 14th October 2010, 11:40pm
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How many unknown pedophiles will be using and editing Wikipedia every day? There are also people who do not actively abuse, yet have it in them. There are people who simply have extreme views - or as they would no-doubt say, extreme as others see them. As someone pointed out, there are the wrongly charged, and the wrongly accused. Everyone is out there somewhere and they all use Wikipedia - so actively chasing after any group (unsavoury or not) is just pointless. There seems always this need for Wikipedia to be used to punish people.

The perceived plan of Wikipedia (whether it is in reality a big lie or not) is supposed to be that through 'debate' the 'community' attempts to improve Wikipedia - until it is impossible to be abused for any longer than the shortest possible time. It shouldn't make any difference who holds an editor account - Wikimedia claims to want a well-written 'quality' encyclopedia that is more than just a repository of everything (though of course it so-often is little more than a list of cobbled 'facts'). It's basically a standards thing - and the standards are currently terrible, partly because the content rules and the various admin (esp when adjudicating at things like AfD's) are so bad. If editor identity was such a big deal, the obvious start in any 'cleaning up' precess would be to require all user's to show their real identities. (though that is not such a bad idea anyway in my opinion).

Blocking known pedophiles doesn't just set a dangerous precedent, it - so typically for these type of sweeping measures - ignores the underlying problem: that it is so much easier for a persistent 'agenda-aggressive' editor to contribute to Wikipedia, than it is for the editor who generally edits 'fairly' and according to the rules (or the 'spirit' of them, as they make so little sense), and who generally has 'honourable' intentions. (I think it can be argued that where there is an 'active interest' on Wikipedia, there is usually some degree of 'agenda' motivating it - it's basically a question of intent, degree, and how far you go).

Despite all the policy and guidelines (they will never call them "rules" will they), and all the gun-happy admin's huge powers, the table is simply laid out in the favour of the agenda-aggressive. Why? Because it's a circus designed for hawkers and rogues. It has a few good curios and exhibits, but the place will remain pitched on a swamp of decadence for as long as it suits those who run the whole show and benefit from it.
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Ottava   FT2 defends Pedophile's "right" to edit   Wed 13th October 2010, 2:23pm
GlassBeadGame   See here for the current drama. He wants to go a...   Wed 13th October 2010, 3:18pm
Sxeptomaniac   Isn't there someone sane who will not turn th...   Wed 13th October 2010, 5:59pm
Ottava   Isn't there someone sane who will not turn t...   Wed 13th October 2010, 7:28pm
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='Sxeptomaniac' post='255908' date='We...   Wed 13th October 2010, 8:11pm
Ottava   Child protection should not be a community activi...   Thu 14th October 2010, 12:23am
Somey   ...Skimming things, it seems like FT2's positi...   Wed 13th October 2010, 7:43pm
Sxeptomaniac   ...Skimming things, it seems like FT2's posit...   Thu 14th October 2010, 12:26am
taiwopanfob   I'm not advocating ignoring solid evidence, es...   Thu 14th October 2010, 12:57am
Sxeptomaniac   The damage they can inflict is way out of proport...   Thu 14th October 2010, 1:58am
taiwopanfob   The damage they can inflict is way out of propor...   Thu 14th October 2010, 2:35am
Somey   I also don't see how this position would avoid...   Thu 14th October 2010, 4:18am
Sxeptomaniac   ... (cut for brevity) This all seems way off-top...   Thu 14th October 2010, 6:10am
Somey   His exact words are, "The actual site policy ...   Thu 14th October 2010, 7:06am
Sxeptomaniac   [quote name='Sxeptomaniac' post='255977' date='Th...   Thu 14th October 2010, 5:59pm
SB_Johnny   Ottava's claims regarding what FT2 said on IR...   Thu 14th October 2010, 8:07pm
tarantino   His exact words are, "The actual site policy...   Thu 14th October 2010, 11:30pm
Sxeptomaniac   [quote name='Somey' post='255978' date='Thu 14th ...   Fri 15th October 2010, 2:16pm
carbuncle   Sxeptomaniac, what if a ~40 year old wikimedian ...   Fri 15th October 2010, 3:02pm
Sxeptomaniac   try asking a different question: [center][i]How d...   Fri 15th October 2010, 5:00pm
GlassBeadGame   try asking a different question: [center][i]How ...   Fri 15th October 2010, 5:20pm
Minor4th   Normal sites have ToS agreements and police their...   Sat 16th October 2010, 6:32pm
carbuncle   try asking a different question: [size=3][center...   Fri 15th October 2010, 8:45pm
Sxeptomaniac   Normal sites have ToS agreements and police their...   Fri 15th October 2010, 11:11pm
tarantino   Go on if you'd like; you're just backing...   Sat 16th October 2010, 3:15am
Sxeptomaniac   [quote name='Sxeptomaniac' post='256133' date='Fr...   Sat 16th October 2010, 1:53pm
carbuncle   [quote name='tarantino' post='256154' date='Fri 1...   Sun 17th October 2010, 3:27pm
Sxeptomaniac   [b]Here's the part to which you should pay cl...   Mon 18th October 2010, 6:00pm
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='carbuncle' post='256283' date='Sun 1...   Mon 18th October 2010, 7:02pm
EricBarbour   [*]Enforce strict anonymity, disallow any identif...   Mon 18th October 2010, 10:28pm
SB_Johnny   WP is not a good place for kids, period. Oh? What...   Mon 18th October 2010, 11:22pm
SB_Johnny   I absolutely agree that pro-pedophile activists a...   Mon 18th October 2010, 9:44pm
wikieyeay   I suspect the fags among us are perfectly happy t...   Tue 19th October 2010, 8:17pm
CharlotteWebb   I suspect the fags among us are perfectly happy ...   Wed 20th October 2010, 4:48am
Milton Roe   [center][i]How do other top ten internet sites de...   Fri 15th October 2010, 8:45pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   Priests that spoke out against the Church were exc...   Sun 17th October 2010, 4:54am
KD Tries Again   To play the Devil's Advocate for one moment, ...   Sun 17th October 2010, 4:09pm
Ottava   Of course, Ottava does deliver some mysterious g...   Sun 17th October 2010, 4:34pm
Abd   By the way, Milton - the Church excommunicate on h...   Sun 17th October 2010, 6:08pm
Milton Roe   By the way, Milton - the Church excommunicate on ...   Sun 17th October 2010, 6:50pm
carbuncle   I lead in with that not to act as a pedophile apo...   Sun 17th October 2010, 5:04pm
Abd   One obvious influence would be individuals intere...   Sun 17th October 2010, 6:29pm
Abd   Consider the Catholic Church and paedophiles, as e...   Sun 17th October 2010, 5:32pm
taiwopanfob   ... (cut for brevity) This all seems way off-to...   Thu 14th October 2010, 12:16pm
Ottava   I wasn't talking about open-and-shut cases, a...   Thu 14th October 2010, 2:14pm
SB_Johnny   Isn't there someone sane who will not turn th...   Wed 13th October 2010, 10:54pm
Ottava   If someone else wants to take the lead in pointing...   Wed 13th October 2010, 5:01pm
GlassBeadGame   If someone else wants to take the lead in pointin...   Wed 13th October 2010, 5:27pm
A Horse With No Name   FT2 needs to be taken on on terms more likely to...   Wed 13th October 2010, 7:37pm
Milton Roe   FT2 needs to be taken on on terms more likely t...   Wed 13th October 2010, 7:42pm
A Horse With No Name   Why not? You've been doing his Rocinante for ...   Wed 13th October 2010, 7:54pm
carbuncle   I have skimmed the original linked discussion but ...   Thu 14th October 2010, 12:57pm
lilburne   I have skimmed the original linked discussion but...   Thu 14th October 2010, 1:18pm
GlassBeadGame   How many unknown pedophiles will be using and edi...   Fri 15th October 2010, 12:56am
powercorrupts   How many unknown pedophiles will be using and ed...   Fri 15th October 2010, 7:39pm
GlassBeadGame   The full stop approach. Very Daily Mail. Maybe ...   Fri 15th October 2010, 8:41pm
Ottava   Here are the questions , think he has the guts to ...   Sat 16th October 2010, 2:44pm
KD Tries Again   If I only have time to read one of those three pos...   Sun 17th October 2010, 6:37pm
Abd   If I only have time to read one of those three po...   Sun 17th October 2010, 7:43pm
SB_Johnny   [quote name='KD Tries Again' post='256301' date='...   Sun 17th October 2010, 10:32pm
lilburne   http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/scratchpad/...   Sun 17th October 2010, 8:13pm
GlassBeadGame   http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/scratchpad...   Sun 17th October 2010, 10:21pm
A Horse With No Name   [img]http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/scrat...   Mon 18th October 2010, 12:44pm
Ottava   Why do people think the Spanish Inquisition was th...   Sun 17th October 2010, 10:41pm
Abd   Why do people think the Spanish Inquisition was th...   Mon 18th October 2010, 3:49am
SB_Johnny   But yeah, the situation is far more complicated. ...   Mon 18th October 2010, 10:27am
lilburne   Would that be the King of France that was put on...   Mon 18th October 2010, 10:54am
Ottava   Would that be the King of France that was put o...   Mon 18th October 2010, 12:59pm
lilburne   [quote name='lilburne' post='256356' date='Mon 18...   Mon 18th October 2010, 7:31pm
Milton Roe   [quote name='lilburne' post='256356' date='Mon 18...   Tue 19th October 2010, 8:38pm
Ottava   [quote name='lilburne' post='256356' date='Mon 1...   Tue 19th October 2010, 8:57pm
Milton Roe   Galileo was "imprisoned" in a cushy pal...   Tue 19th October 2010, 9:15pm
Ottava   [quote name='Ottava' post='256547' date='Tue 19th...   Wed 20th October 2010, 4:08am
Milton Roe   [quote name='Milton Roe' post='256553' date='Tue ...   Wed 20th October 2010, 4:47am
lonza leggiera   Galileo was "imprisoned" in a cushy pal...   Thu 21st October 2010, 1:02am
Ottava   But that source says nothing whatever about Simpl...   Thu 21st October 2010, 1:30pm
Sxeptomaniac   No I didn't. FT2's refusal to answer my...   Thu 21st October 2010, 2:53pm
Abd   [quote name='Ottava' post='256742' date='Thu 21st ...   Thu 21st October 2010, 5:04pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   For ready reference, [url=http://meta.wikimedia.or...   Sat 23rd October 2010, 3:31pm
SB_Johnny   I still think pedophilia is misplaced here and wh...   Sun 24th October 2010, 3:36pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   [quote name='Cock-up-over-conspirac...   Sun 24th October 2010, 5:19pm
CharlotteWebb   The Wikipedia needs to promote the use of prophyl...   Sun 24th October 2010, 3:55pm
Milton Roe   [quote name='Cock-up-over-conspira...   Sun 24th October 2010, 8:07pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   ... nature needs some way to insure that informati...   Mon 25th October 2010, 2:58am
Milton Roe   ... nature needs some way to insure that informat...   Mon 25th October 2010, 7:24am
lonza leggiera   [quote name='lonza leggiera' post='256704' date='...   Sun 24th October 2010, 3:00pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   Personally I thought it might be more illuminating...   Mon 18th October 2010, 2:33pm
A Horse With No Name   I am damn glad that I never got rid of my VHS pl...   Mon 18th October 2010, 6:42pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   Its Wikipedia Review guys, not Wikipedia Substitut...   Thu 21st October 2010, 4:11am
GlassBeadGame   What is this to do with FT2 and pedophilia? I...   Thu 21st October 2010, 4:20am
Text   Hey people, Geoff might be editing! Better get...   Mon 25th October 2010, 10:35pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   That is a pretty shocking portrait of a child sex ...   Tue 26th October 2010, 3:05am


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