FT2 defends Pedophile's "right" to edit, Uses Meta RfC to intimidate those saying it is wrong Options

[Ottava]

See here for the current drama. He wants to go at me because he doesn't like it that I pointed out that he defended pedophiles "right" to edit and in doing so pushed a fringe POV that makes him an inappropriate voice when discussing the sexual content related policies.

Notice how he tries to pretend to be a swell guy and I am so awful, where I then point out Bishonen's block of him for blatant abuse and disruption while I was one of the few trying to stop the drama. He sure likes to try and hide who he really is.

[Ottava]

Why do people think the Spanish Inquisition was the only Inquisition or even the first?

o.O

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Inqu...retic_movements

"The spread of heretic movements from the 12th century, can be seen at least in part as a reaction to the increasing moral corruption of the clergy, which included illegal marriages and the possession of extreme wealth. In the Middle Ages, the Inquisition's main focus was to eradicate these new sects. Thus its range of action was predominantly set in Italy and France, where such sects had settled. The two main heretic movements of the period were the Cathars and the Waldensians."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathars

"For the credentes however, sexual activity was not prohibited, but procreation was strongly discouraged, resulting in the charge by their opponents of sexual perversion. The common English insult "bugger" is derived from "Bulgar", the notion that Cathars followed the "Bulgarian heresy" whose teaching included sexual activities which skirted procreation."

"As a consequence of their rejection of oaths, Cathars also rejected marriage vows. Such was the situation, that when called before the Inquisition, one accused of Catharism needed only to show that he was married for the case to be immediately dismissed."



Milton -

"Heresy is preaching sin, not DOING sin. "

Yes, one corrupts others and the other is just a single corruption. So, one is more forgivable. But yeah, the situation is far more complicated. But that doesn't matter so much - would I like the Inquisition be brought back, the priests doing wrong rooted out, and the secular government lighting them on fire? Yes. Thomas Aquinas pointed out that those who practice the most evil need to be executed (Summa 2.2. Q64 Part 2.).


By the way, no one ever mentions this:

"In 1455, by the order of King Charles VII of France, who Joan had publicly supported, a rehabilitation trial was opened in the Notre Dame de Paris to investigate the dubious circumstances which led to Joan's execution. The Inquisitor-General of France, was put in charge of the trial. After a careful analysis of all the proceedings, including Joan's answers to the allegations, he pronounced null her condemnation. Joan of Arc was eventually canonized in 1920."

This post has been edited by Ottava: Sun 17th October 2010, 10:46pm

[Abd]

Why do people think the Spanish Inquisition was the only Inquisition or even the first?

That's easy. Because they are stupid and ignorant. But why are they stupid and ignorant? Because that way Ottava will be led down the rosy path, believing in his own superior knowledge. It's a test.

Yes, one corrupts others and the other is just a single corruption. So, one is more forgivable.

And thus the religion supposedly based on the teachings of forgiveness becomes a matter of judging what sins are forgivable and what ones are not. Good luck, Ottava, facing the Judge. As you considered others, so shall you be considered.

But yeah, the situation is far more complicated. But that doesn't matter so much - would I like the Inquisition be brought back, the priests doing wrong rooted out, and the secular government lighting them on fire? Yes. Thomas Aquinas pointed out that those who practice the most evil need to be executed (Summa 2.2. Q64 Part 2.).

This truly endears Thomas Aquinas and Ottava to me. To any others? Bring back the Inquisition? No wonder Ottava is always running into trouble! He's 600 years behind the times. Ottava, society moved on, the Church moved on. But you have not. Ah, for the good old days, when we could just torture and burn someone who's opinions we don't like.

By the way, no one ever mentions this:

"In 1455, by the order of King Charles VII of France, who Joan had publicly supported, a rehabilitation trial was opened in the Notre Dame de Paris to investigate the dubious circumstances which led to Joan's execution. The Inquisitor-General of France, was put in charge of the trial. After a careful analysis of all the proceedings, including Joan's answers to the allegations, he pronounced null her condemnation. Joan of Arc was eventually canonized in 1920."

With every word he writes, it gets worse.

I am *soooo* comforted by this. A rehabilitation trial might happen that exonerates the "heretic" which Ottava has just said should be burned, and, why, 500 years later, she might even be declared a saint! How comforting!

Look, it's great that the Church is going back and at least acknowledging mistakes, that's part of healing. But what's the core here?

Ottava is praising and calling for the execution of heretics. Effectively, of pedophiles. How about homosexuals, after all, aren't they all wannabe pedophiles?

This post has been edited by Abd: Mon 18th October 2010, 3:50am