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thekohser
post Tue 19th October 2010, 7:34pm
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This seems very, very, very, very, very fishy to me.

How does a non-profit 501-c-3 that files a Form 990 intend to keep secret, forever, a severance package for one of the top paid employees of the organization?

What rotten thing is going on here?

(Original and official announcement is here.)

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NuclearWarfare
post Tue 19th October 2010, 8:37pm
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Quite interesting that they wrote up a Q&A summary that anticipated most of the usual questions. Have they done that before?
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post Tue 19th October 2010, 9:10pm
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QUOTE(NuclearWarfare @ Tue 19th October 2010, 2:37pm) *

Quite interesting that they wrote up a Q&A summary that anticipated most of the usual questions. Have they done that before?


I did not heretofore understand that FAQ meant Frequently Avoided Questions.

...and three days notice? WTF?

I'm currently reading an account of the Tlatelolco Massacre of '68. After the event one of the students described the way they read the newspapers as "Why is my government telling me this particular lie at this particular moment?"
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post Tue 19th October 2010, 9:28pm
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Wed 20th October 2010, 7:10am) *

QUOTE(NuclearWarfare @ Tue 19th October 2010, 2:37pm) *

Quite interesting that they wrote up a Q&A summary that anticipated most of the usual questions. Have they done that before?


I did not heretofore understand that FAQ meant Frequently Avoided Questions.

...and three days notice? WTF?

I'm currently reading an account of the Tlatelolco Massacre of '68. After the event one of the students described the way they read the newspapers as "Why is my government telling me this particular lie at this particular moment?"


3 days notice and a severance package tells me that he was pushed, and pushed hard. And the list of things that are not the reason leave a lot less to speculate on. wtf.gif
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post Tue 19th October 2010, 9:40pm
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meh ... sounds like he got laid off - fired without cause.

Since when do people who quit get severance packages.

I suppose the unprofessional and childish public letter to the FBI didn't help.
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post Tue 19th October 2010, 11:20pm
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QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Tue 19th October 2010, 4:40pm) *
meh ... sounds like he got laid off - fired without cause.
That's the official line, of course. But the reality is that he was shoved out the door for being incompatible with Sue's vision of what Wikimedia is about.

It'll be interesting whether Erik gets shoved next. He's pretty much the last of "Jimmy's people" (defined as people who were part of the Foundation before Sue came along). Jimmy himself better be watching his back; it's a matter of time before Sue and Company decide that he, too, is redundant.
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post Tue 19th October 2010, 11:35pm
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Tue 19th October 2010, 5:20pm) *

QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Tue 19th October 2010, 4:40pm) *
meh ... sounds like he got laid off - fired without cause.
That's the official line, of course. But the reality is that he was shoved out the door for being incompatible with Sue's vision of what Wikimedia is about.

It'll be interesting whether Erik gets shoved next. He's pretty much the last of "Jimmy's people" (defined as people who were part of the Foundation before Sue came along). Jimmy himself better be watching his back; it's a matter of time before Sue and Company decide that he, too, is redundant.


My hope is that this is a move away from FreeKulture. Not only will this open up the possibility of acting in a more responsible manner but strained relations might make FK and the tech press less likely to circle the wagons the next time WP steps in something nasty. Yep, could be Erik next.
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post Wed 20th October 2010, 2:54pm
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Tue 19th October 2010, 6:35pm) *
My hope is that this is a move away from FreeKulture. Not only will this open up the possibility of acting in a more responsible manner but strained relations might make FK and the tech press less likely to circle the wagons the next time WP steps in something nasty. Yep, could be Erik next.
That could happen, but there's no reason to believe it will. Sue's only interest in governing Wikimedia as her personal fiefdom is going to be in maintaining revenue. While I don't believe she has any real commitment to FreeKulture the way Moeller does, at the same time she probably believes that many of her donors do, and so she will not actively encourage any change on this front. Absent Moeller's influence, I suspect Wikimedia would move away from its current positions on such matters only in a piecemeal fashion, as specific incidents lead to ad hoc edicts necessary to keep specific donors happy.


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post Wed 20th October 2010, 11:42pm
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Wed 20th October 2010, 10:54am) *

QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Tue 19th October 2010, 6:35pm) *
My hope is that this is a move away from FreeKulture. Not only will this open up the possibility of acting in a more responsible manner but strained relations might make FK and the tech press less likely to circle the wagons the next time WP steps in something nasty. Yep, could be Erik next.
That could happen, but there's no reason to believe it will. Sue's only interest in governing Wikimedia as her personal fiefdom is going to be in maintaining revenue. While I don't believe she has any real commitment to FreeKulture the way Moeller does, at the same time she probably believes that many of her donors do, and so she will not actively encourage any change on this front. Absent Moeller's influence, I suspect Wikimedia would move away from its current positions on such matters only in a piecemeal fashion, as specific incidents lead to ad hoc edicts necessary to keep specific donors happy.

Meow! Pfft! Pffffft!

When does Sue have to go through re-election/re-rubberstamping?

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thekohser   Out with Godwin   Tue 19th October 2010, 7:34pm
thekohser   Would being hauled off in an FBI investigation ove...   Tue 19th October 2010, 7:45pm
Milton Roe   This seems very, very, very, very, very fishy to ...   Tue 19th October 2010, 7:53pm
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   I would imagine he knows too much. They don't ...   Tue 19th October 2010, 11:57pm
Milton Roe   I would imagine he knows too much. They don't...   Wed 20th October 2010, 12:29am
thekohser   Someone pointed out to me the very peculiar charac...   Tue 19th October 2010, 8:11pm
GlassBeadGame   Someone pointed out to me the very peculiar chara...   Tue 19th October 2010, 9:05pm
Shalom   Someone pointed out to me the very peculiar char...   Tue 19th October 2010, 10:51pm
Kevin   Quite interesting that they wrote up a Q&A s...   Tue 19th October 2010, 9:28pm
Kelly Martin   When does Sue have to go through re-election/re-ru...   Thu 21st October 2010, 12:38am
Cock-up-over-conspiracy   I've also heard rumors that she has a golden p...   Thu 21st October 2010, 3:51am
Milton Roe   meh ... sounds like he got laid off - fired witho...   Tue 19th October 2010, 11:37pm
Doc glasgow   That says to me "fired, but we gave him a s...   Tue 19th October 2010, 11:54pm
Peter Damian   That says to me "fired, but we gave him a ...   Wed 20th October 2010, 7:56pm
CharlotteWebb   Or it could be they meant 'personal issues...   Wed 20th October 2010, 7:59pm
thekohser   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='256680' date='We...   Wed 20th October 2010, 8:30pm
CharlotteWebb   Funny that a Wikimedia mailing list is a reliable...   Wed 20th October 2010, 9:07pm
anthony   It'll be interesting whether Erik gets shoved...   Wed 20th October 2010, 12:03am
TungstenCarbide   [quote name='Kelly Martin' post='256575' date='Tue...   Wed 20th October 2010, 12:41am
Kelly Martin   In any case, I think Erik would be far too happy ...   Wed 20th October 2010, 2:41pm
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anthony   RE: Out with Godwin   Tue 19th October 2010, 9:22pm
Jon Awbrey   RE: Out with Godwin   Tue 19th October 2010, 9:52pm
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gomi   How does a non-profit 501-c-3 that files a Form 99...   Tue 19th October 2010, 11:18pm
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