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> FT2 back in the ArbCom race, with lots to say about the happenings of 2008
Alison
post Tue 23rd November 2010, 10:24pm
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Heyyaz,

Looks like FT2 has put his name forward again. And he's got quite a lot of interesting things to say, including more on PoetHorde, certain alternate accounts and more on stuff that happened behind the scenes back in 2008.

Edit: And including about those 'oversighted edits' and the OrangeMarlin affair.

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Peter Damian
post Tue 30th November 2010, 6:53pm
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John Vandenberg again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:FT2#Query

* On April 21 (F43A818E433D44648BB0569FDCB686CB), the banned user emails Arbcom with a link which includes a crat saying publicly that they are emailing the details to the [Wikimedia] Foundation for review.
* On April 22 (480dbb5d.1f15300a.0410.01b4), FT2 provides Arbcom with a summary of the user in question, leaving out many specifics that I know he knew back in December 2007.
* On April 22 (54ADCFC31B35499C86E666B5197CB5D0), the banned user emailed Arbcom, forwarding their email from 8 December 2007 which contained all the details necessary to find these edits, being the first two edits FT2 ever made. FT2 claims to have forgotten that he started Wikipedia on the article Zoophilia. Even if he had forgotten, these emails were a reminder. The original email had been sent to two 'crats in December 2007. Jimmy Wales has also been sent these emails between December and April; I don't know whether they were received or not.
* On April 24, there were a few arbitrator comments in a separate thread. MessageID 16032ea0804241712n3ee276cayd178991b1e0df657 shows that the problem was properly understood. At this stage, FT2 (48111d14.04eb300a.328e.097f) is still participating in the relevant discussions.
* On April 25 (86CD3F11-2D27-44EC-A05E-3107DCA4965E), an arbitrator responded to the banned user, indicating that the committee would discuss the matter, and proceeded to start the arbcom discussion.
* On April 25 (481265c7.2435440a.29eb.0c79), FT2 gave the arbs a brain dump of how he thought the arbs should handle the matter, whilst also indicating that he knew he was considered involved. Another arb promptly told him to keep his opinions to himself. FT2 respond acknowledging that his comments are as a party rather than as an arbitrator.

FT2 claims that he did not read the emails because they were 'filtered'. But then if he hadn't read them, how was it he replied On April 22 with details of what he knew about the 'banned user'? If he was still participating in relevant discussion later (48111d14.04eb300a.328e.097f) how can he claim he wasn't involved.

The issue is not the lies, but the fact that he seems to accept that telling lies like this will not be challenged. Lying is part of the culture of Arbcom, one suspects.

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post Tue 30th November 2010, 10:04pm
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Tue 30th November 2010, 12:53pm) *
\Lying is part of the culture of Arbcom, one suspects.
Well, the ArbCom is delegated Jimbo, and as Jimbo has no compunctions against lying if he thinks doing so will serve his purposes, it stands to reason that the ArbCom should behave in the same manner.
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Alison   FT2 back in the ArbCom race   Tue 23rd November 2010, 10:24pm
powercorrupts   Heyyaz, Looks like FT2 has put his name forward ...   Tue 23rd November 2010, 10:44pm
Cla68   [quote name='Alison' post='260090' date='Tue 23rd...   Wed 24th November 2010, 11:01am
Mathsci   Anyway, all questions of FT2's idealogical ph...   Wed 24th November 2010, 1:11pm
powercorrupts   [quote name='Alison' post='260090' date='Tue 23r...   Wed 24th November 2010, 2:51pm
GlassBeadGame   What does he have to say concerning his views on b...   Wed 24th November 2010, 12:02am
Obesity   What does he have to say concerning his views on ...   Wed 24th November 2010, 4:26am
Ottava   What does he have to say concerning his views on...   Wed 24th November 2010, 4:35am
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='Obesity' post='260105' date='Tue 23r...   Wed 24th November 2010, 4:54am
EricBarbour   http://i554.photobucket.com/albums/jj408/kamaze144...   Wed 24th November 2010, 5:48am
Gruntled   Heyyaz, Looks like FT2 has put his name forward ...   Wed 24th November 2010, 1:05pm
Peter Damian   Interesting there is no mention of the User:TBP ac...   Wed 24th November 2010, 7:53pm
trenton   Anyway, all questions of FT2's idealogical ph...   Wed 24th November 2010, 8:01pm
Peter Damian   Vandenburg getting into a scrap with him now. ...   Sat 27th November 2010, 9:32am
Ottava   Vandenburg getting into a scrap with him now. .....   Sat 27th November 2010, 2:09pm
Gruntled   Vandenburg getting into a scrap with him now. ...   Mon 29th November 2010, 11:37am
cyofee   FT2 is an early riser?   Sat 27th November 2010, 9:50am
GlassBeadGame   FT2 is an early riser? Well, I suspect he woul...   Mon 29th November 2010, 6:49pm
EricBarbour   [quote name='cyofee' post='260324' date='Sat 27th ...   Mon 29th November 2010, 7:34pm
Peter Damian   All explained. See below.   Sat 27th November 2010, 5:08pm
dogbiscuit   FT2 once explained that it took him a long time to...   Sat 27th November 2010, 5:54pm
Peter Damian   FT2 once explained that it took him a long time t...   Sat 27th November 2010, 6:17pm
trenton   None of his colleagues at the arbcom really seem t...   Sat 27th November 2010, 6:45pm
Peter Damian   None of his colleagues at the arbcom really seem ...   Sat 27th November 2010, 6:56pm
powercorrupts   [quote name='trenton' post='260346' date='Sat 27t...   Sat 27th November 2010, 8:42pm
Peter Damian   But maybe a terrible group will work out for the ...   Sat 27th November 2010, 10:33pm
BelovedFox   But maybe a terrible group will work out for the...   Sat 27th November 2010, 10:55pm
Theanima   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='260358' date='Sa...   Sat 27th November 2010, 11:10pm
BelovedFox   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='260358' date='S...   Sun 28th November 2010, 1:57am
CharlotteWebb   Everyone is gonna' say that. The vast majorit...   Sun 28th November 2010, 9:48am
Zoloft   I've edited several such articles without actu...   Sun 28th November 2010, 11:40am
SB_Johnny   What I am hearing through various channels is tha...   Sun 28th November 2010, 2:19am
powercorrupts   But maybe a terrible group will work out for the...   Mon 29th November 2010, 11:11pm
powercorrupts   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='260358' date='Sa...   Wed 1st December 2010, 8:41pm
NuclearWarfare   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='260358' date='S...   Wed 1st December 2010, 10:52pm
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='powercorrupts' post='260679' date='W...   Wed 1st December 2010, 11:10pm
powercorrupts   [quote name='powercorrupts' post='260679' date='W...   Wed 1st December 2010, 11:28pm
Kelly Martin   What I am hearing through various channels is that...   Tue 30th November 2010, 2:49am
EricBarbour   My 'winning team' is FT2, Giano, Sandstein...   Sun 28th November 2010, 2:28am
tarantino   lol, wikipedia is where anyone can wander in off t...   Sun 28th November 2010, 3:03am
EricBarbour   lol, wikipedia is where anyone can [url=http://en...   Sun 28th November 2010, 3:23am
TungstenCarbide   [quote name='tarantino' post='260373' date='Sat 2...   Sun 28th November 2010, 3:59am
RMHED   lol, wikipedia is where anyone can wander in off ...   Sun 28th November 2010, 7:47pm
dogbiscuit   Yes, Sven is a bit of a pompous twat . Clearly an...   Mon 29th November 2010, 12:48am
Peter Damian   Well we finally have an explanation of the TBP acc...   Sun 28th November 2010, 8:37am
CharlotteWebb   lol, wikipedia is where anyone can [url=http://en...   Sun 28th November 2010, 9:10am
Peter Damian   Except, this "explanation" is bull to t...   Sun 28th November 2010, 9:22am
dogbiscuit   Except, this "explanation" is bull to ...   Sun 28th November 2010, 9:33am
Peter Damian   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='260384' date='Su...   Sun 28th November 2010, 9:50am
The Adversary   lol, wikipedia is where anyone can [url=http://e...   Sun 28th November 2010, 11:59am
Peter Damian   Vandenburg is certainly going for it, but I'm ...   Mon 29th November 2010, 8:08pm
Kelly Martin   \Lying is part of the culture of Arbcom, one ...   Tue 30th November 2010, 10:04pm
Theanima   ...aaaand out. :hmmm:   Sun 5th December 2010, 1:16am
Zoloft   ...aaaand out. :hmmm: I do believe a daily dose ...   Sun 5th December 2010, 7:50am
TungstenCarbide   [quote name='Theanima' post='260930' date='Sat 4t...   Sun 5th December 2010, 7:59am
CharlotteWebb   is it just me, or does anyone else's eyes gla...   Sun 5th December 2010, 8:25am
dogbiscuit   [quote name='Theanima' post='260930' date='Sat 4...   Sun 5th December 2010, 11:17am
Doc glasgow   It actually reflects badly on the rest of those i...   Sun 5th December 2010, 2:49pm
Peter Damian   And in the end, aside from Peter, who cares? Wh...   Sun 5th December 2010, 3:29pm
Doc glasgow   [quote name='Doc glasgow' post='260967' date='Sun...   Sun 5th December 2010, 4:03pm
Peter Damian   What paranoid nonsense. As I said, you are on r...   Sun 5th December 2010, 4:12pm
Doc glasgow   What paranoid nonsense. As I said, you are on ...   Sun 5th December 2010, 8:49pm
carbuncle   And in the end, aside from Peter, who cares? PET...   Sun 5th December 2010, 7:00pm
Peter Damian   Some of it is quite clear. This explains an em...   Sun 5th December 2010, 9:07am
Kelly Martin   Wikipedians seem to have a tendency to take after ...   Sun 5th December 2010, 4:20pm
Milton Roe   Wikipedians seem to have a tendency to take after...   Sun 5th December 2010, 5:54pm
Lar   Wikipedians seem to have a tendency to take afte...   Mon 6th December 2010, 12:31am
Doc glasgow   Wikipedians seem to have a tendency to take after...   Sun 5th December 2010, 8:43pm
Kelly Martin   The only thing one can say about "Wikipedians...   Sun 5th December 2010, 9:54pm
Doc glasgow   [quote name='Doc glasgow' post='260989' date='Sun...   Sun 5th December 2010, 10:23pm
dogbiscuit   [quote name='Doc glasgow' post='260989' date='Su...   Wed 8th December 2010, 11:49am
Herschelkrustofsky   :applause:   Sun 5th December 2010, 5:27pm
trenton   Q: FT2, what's with the oversighted edits? FT2...   Sun 5th December 2010, 9:28pm


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