FT2 back in the ArbCom race, with lots to say about the happenings of 2008 Options

[Alison]

Heyyaz,

Looks like FT2 has put his name forward again. And he's got quite a lot of interesting things to say, including more on PoetHorde, certain alternate accounts and more on stuff that happened behind the scenes back in 2008.

Edit: And including about those 'oversighted edits' and the OrangeMarlin affair.

[Kelly Martin]

Wikipedians seem to have a tendency to take after their leader, Jimbo, which means that they will willingly spin lies of any sort in order to create a suitable fiction to explain away any evidence that doesn't comport with the reality they want to be true. Many of them also have the uncanny ability to believe those lies, once spun.

The only takeaway one can get from all this is that Wikipedians cannot be trusted to be truthful, not to themselves and not to anyone else, nor can they be trusted to keep their promises. There is no way to deal in good faith with such people; one must, at all times, assume that any offer made will be retracted, any deal struck ignored, and any promise reneged, for it will happen. These people have no honor, and honorable people have nothing to gain by consorting with their like.

[Doc glasgow]

Wikipedians seem to have a tendency to take after their leader, Jimbo, which means that they will willingly spin lies of any sort in order to create a suitable fiction to explain away any evidence that doesn't comport with the reality they want to be true. Many of them also have the uncanny ability to believe those lies, once spun.

The only takeaway one can get from all this is that Wikipedians cannot be trusted to be truthful, not to themselves and not to anyone else, nor can they be trusted to keep their promises. There is no way to deal in good faith with such people; one must, at all times, assume that any offer made will be retracted, any deal struck ignored, and any promise reneged, for it will happen. These people have no honor, and honorable people have nothing to gain by consorting with their like.

Kelly, even when you say something I disagree with, I have enough respect for your insight that I usually expect learn something from it.

This however is an exception. When did you become an uncritical spouter of the house paranoia?

The only thing one can say about "Wikipedians" is that they are a mixed bunch that defies most generalisations. (Other then they've got no life and too much time on their hands - but that goes for the regulars of WR too.)

This "guilt by association" is just the flipside of the same nonsense Sidaway tried on me when he told me to stop posting to the "troll site" because all the people there are hateful and those who associate with them must also be evil.

Wikipedia has a whole mixture of ideologies. It give just some examples of the problematic ones:
#There are some Jimbo devotees (but there number is relatively small, and mainly restricted to a few old-timers, as Jimbo's presence has declined).
#There are free-speech, "my right to publish", fanatics
#There are undogmatic power-trippers
#There are single-issue advocates

A more nuanced analysis is surely a better one.