IronDuke attacks Cla68!, more lessons in demagoguery Options

[Lar]

Lookie, Lar, you know as well as I do that the most perma-banned people on WP are perma-banned for political reasons. Jimbo or some cabalist or cabalista didn't like them and their ideas, so they were banned (supposedly) entirely from WP, rather than topic-banning them (or--horrors--debating them).

Irony: none of this ever works. If a user is smart enough to be totally site banned for being a troll, they're smart enough to get back on, as an impossible-to-catch sock (and many have done so). So whatever is the point of banning them in the first place?

May I suggest an answer to that question? The point is so that the admin that is OWNing a given group of articles can enforce the house POV there, by asserting that any new editor who contravenes said POV is a sock- or meatpuppet of a banned user (see The Duck Test.) Lar, you were falsely accused of misusing admin powerz in a content dispute. You must know that there are many admins who could be justifiably accused of doing the same, but are not.

Well, ya.

Miltie, we all repeat ourselves here. It's what we do.

[It's the blimp, Frank]

"Wikifan12345" for example is most certainly a returned banned user.

He just got hit with a topic ban. "No more mister nice guy" was arguing loudly in his defense.

[gomi]

"Wikifan12345" for example is most certainly a returned banned user.

He just got hit with a topic ban. "No more mister nice guy" was arguing loudly in his defense.

Meh. Three-month topic ban. Epeefleche (T-C-L-K-R-D) is curerntly -- and no doubt temporarily -- indef'd over canvassing on Judaica AFDs. IronDuck also weighed in on that one.

[Wikifan]

And yes, all they do is either lie low when the heat gets turned up too high, or come back as brand-new accounts when the finally get scorched for good. "Wikifan12345" for example is most certainly a returned banned user.

Yeah, what banned user?

Editors who claim they are victim to a pro-Israel conspiracy tend file and complain the most at AN/I, AE, BLP, and all the other enforcement board.

Many users put more time and effort trying to remove editors they don't like than actually contributing content to Wikipedia.

[Tarc]

And yes, all they do is either lie low when the heat gets turned up too high, or come back as brand-new accounts when the finally get scorched for good. "Wikifan12345" for example is most certainly a returned banned user.

Yeah, what banned user?

I dunno, we'd have to think of what wiki-warriors haven't been seen in the last year or so, those that may not be necessarily banned but didn't want the baggage of their old accounts. 6SJ7, Yahel Guhan (formerly the illustrious Sefringle), and Humus Sapiens come to mind.

This post has been edited by Tarc: Fri 3rd December 2010, 3:15pm

[Herschelkrustofsky]

The shameful thing is that IronDuke didn't get topic-banned from Israel-Palestine articles when the rest of that crew, including Jayjg, did. That said, he's just as biased and hostile on other topics, so it's not clear that it would have in any way improved things.

Look how suavely Jayjg comports himself at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish heavy metal musicians, which is otherwise comedy gold.

[Zoloft]

And yes, all they do is either lie low when the heat gets turned up too high, or come back as brand-new accounts when the finally get scorched for good. "Wikifan12345" for example is most certainly a returned banned user.

Yeah, what banned user?

I dunno, we'd have to think of what wiki-warriors haven't been seen in the last year or so, those that may not be necessarily banned but didn't want the baggage of their old accounts. 6SJ7, Yahel Guhan (formerly the illustrious Sefringle), and Humus Sapiens come to mind.

So... not a banned user then? Interesting change of tack there, Tac.

This post has been edited by Zoloft: Fri 3rd December 2010, 10:21pm

[Wikifan]

And yes, all they do is either lie low when the heat gets turned up too high, or come back as brand-new accounts when the finally get scorched for good. "Wikifan12345" for example is most certainly a returned banned user.

Yeah, what banned user?

I dunno, we'd have to think of what wiki-warriors haven't been seen in the last year or so, those that may not be necessarily banned but didn't want the baggage of their old accounts. 6SJ7, Yahel Guhan (formerly the illustrious Sefringle), and Humus Sapiens come to mind.

Do you have a life outside of wikipedia? First you say I'm a banned user and then say I'm an alias of those accounts above?

Good luck finding a shred of evidence to support the accusations.

[nableezy]

And yes, all they do is either lie low when the heat gets turned up too high, or come back as brand-new accounts when the finally get scorched for good. "Wikifan12345" for example is most certainly a returned banned user.

Yeah, what banned user?

I dunno, we'd have to think of what wiki-warriors haven't been seen in the last year or so, those that may not be necessarily banned but didn't want the baggage of their old accounts. 6SJ7, Yahel Guhan (formerly the illustrious Sefringle), and Humus Sapiens come to mind.

I very much doubt that WF is any of these editors. I would not be surprised if this were his first account, though Im not sure if his claimed age is accurate. If it is I think he would be wise to find something else to do with his free time. Girls, weed, all of the above, just not this.

[Tarc]

And yes, all they do is either lie low when the heat gets turned up too high, or come back as brand-new accounts when the finally get scorched for good. "Wikifan12345" for example is most certainly a returned banned user.

Yeah, what banned user?

I dunno, we'd have to think of what wiki-warriors haven't been seen in the last year or so, those that may not be necessarily banned but didn't want the baggage of their old accounts. 6SJ7, Yahel Guhan (formerly the illustrious Sefringle), and Humus Sapiens come to mind.

Do you have a life outside of wikipedia? First you say I'm a banned user and then say I'm an alias of those accounts above?

Good luck finding a shred of evidence to support the accusations.

The lack of an actual denial is quite telling.

[Wikifan]

And yes, all they do is either lie low when the heat gets turned up too high, or come back as brand-new accounts when the finally get scorched for good. "Wikifan12345" for example is most certainly a returned banned user.

Yeah, what banned user?

I dunno, we'd have to think of what wiki-warriors haven't been seen in the last year or so, those that may not be necessarily banned but didn't want the baggage of their old accounts. 6SJ7, Yahel Guhan (formerly the illustrious Sefringle), and Humus Sapiens come to mind.

Do you have a life outside of wikipedia? First you say I'm a banned user and then say I'm an alias of those accounts above?

Good luck finding a shred of evidence to support the accusations.

The lack of an actual denial is quite telling.

I guess baseless accusations work well in noticeboards if you cry loud enough but you'll never find evidence suggesting I am an alias of a former account.

You know why? Because this is my only account. I'm not afraid of what editors think of me unlike some people here who use alias to hide their true identity. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if there some admins in this forum.

[Lar]

[I guess baseless accusations work well in noticeboards if you cry loud enough

This is true. And it's an unfortunate thing about noticeboards. Many baseless accusations are lodged here and many people get targeted...

...but

but you'll never find evidence suggesting I am an alias of a former account.

You know why? Because this is my only account. I'm not afraid of what editors think of me unlike some people here who use alias to hide their true identity. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if there some admins in this forum.

... the latter part seems a bit... off to me. My identity here and on WP are clearly linked. Further, my real name is Larry Pieniazek and I can prove it. What's your real name?... if you don't answer, you're using an alias to hide your true identity (and thus, talking out your @$$). That's OK if you don't answer, it's how things are structured at WP and here, but don't go on and on about aliases, please.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

[I guess baseless accusations work well in noticeboards if you cry loud enough

This is true. And it's an unfortunate thing about noticeboards. Many baseless accusations are lodged here and many people get targeted...

My personal favorite is AN/I.

[Wikifan]

... the latter part seems a bit... off to me. My identity here and on WP are clearly linked. Further, my real name is Larry Pieniazek and I can prove it. What's your real name?... if you don't answer, you're using an alias to hide your true identity (and thus, talking out your @$$). That's OK if you don't answer, it's how things are structured at WP and here, but don't go on and on about aliases, please.

I mean using an alias to game wikipedia. If I were to disclose my real name it wouldn't make my presence on wikipedia more legitimate.

I was referring to the issue where warriors hunt and stalk other editors on wikipedia mainspace, baiting users and sending them to enforcement boards when the time is right, and then offline they show their true feelings under a false name.

[A Horse With No Name]

Further, my real name is Larry Pieniazek and I can prove it.

And he's filthy rich...and Google can prove it!

[Lar]

Further, my real name is Larry Pieniazek and I can prove it.

And he's filthy rich...and Google can prove it!

Filthy? Maybe. Rich? Hardly! Do you know how much horses actually cost to keep? And Roxie's still in the hospital almost a week on.

Old joke:

Q: How to make a small fortune in the horse business?

A: Start with a large one.


But you can prove ANYTHING with Google.

... the latter part seems a bit... off to me. My identity here and on WP are clearly linked. Further, my real name is Larry Pieniazek and I can prove it. What's your real name?... if you don't answer, you're using an alias to hide your true identity (and thus, talking out your @$$). That's OK if you don't answer, it's how things are structured at WP and here, but don't go on and on about aliases, please.

I mean using an alias to game wikipedia. If I were to disclose my real name it wouldn't make my presence on wikipedia more legitimate.

I was referring to the issue where warriors hunt and stalk other editors on wikipedia mainspace, baiting users and sending them to enforcement boards when the time is right, and then offline they show their true feelings under a false name.

Certainly it would. You'd have a real life reputation at stake instead of just your warrior cred. I repeat, you seem to be talking out your...

[thekohser]

Why is this thread outside of The Annex?

[gomi]

The topic needs to be split and cleaned, but I'm too busy right now to take it on.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Done. Now my hands smell like caviar.

[Milton Roe]

Done. Now my hands smell like caviar.

My favorite stuff!

Blows my load!


Milton Roe