Wikisource RfC Options

[Ottava]

I started an RfC to get some cross-wiki light on the isolated group at Wikisource.



If this is the wrong forum to post a message about it, then I apologize. There is no longer a visible thread on the matter, so I started this.

[Somey]

Poetguy has used misleading e-mail addresses before, including addresses containing real names, meant to make us think he's a specific other person who actually exists. Unfortunately, the laws regarding this kind of e-mail impersonation are just as far behind the curve as most other internet-related laws, in virtually all Western democracies. Again, I'm not suggesting that his behavior is excusable, morally defensible, or even tolerable in a civilized society, but I doubt you could get him thrown in jail or even fined for it, and he's certainly not doing it to steal anything - at least not anything tangible.

I guess what I'm saying is that if you're going to throw around terms like "identity theft" and "stalking," you've got to have something better than this to work with. Call it what it is - malicious impersonation. Exaggerating the offense only encourages whatever real criminal impulses he may actually have, by making him think he's got nothing to lose by taking it to the next level.

If Wikipedians can curtail their misuse of the word "stalking" - given that they were, at times, some ofthe worst abusers of this term in the history of written language - then so can you, just like everyone else here.

[Ottava]

Poetguy has used misleading e-mail addresses before, including addresses containing real names, meant to make us think he's a specific other person who actually exists. Unfortunately, the laws regarding this kind of e-mail impersonation are just as far behind the curve as most other internet-related laws, in virtually all Western democracies. Again, I'm not suggesting that his behavior is excusable, morally defensible, or even tolerable in a civilized society, but I doubt you could get him thrown in jail or even fined for it, and he's certainly not doing it to steal anything - at least not anything tangible.

I guess what I'm saying is that if you're going to throw around terms like "identity theft" and "stalking," you've got to have something better than this to work with. Call it what it is - malicious impersonation. Exaggerating the offense only encourages whatever real criminal impulses he may actually have, by making him think he's got nothing to lose by taking it to the next level.

If Wikipedians can curtail their misuse of the word "stalking" - given that they were, at times, some ofthe worst abusers of this term in the history of written language - then so can you, just like everyone else here.

The way I see it.

1. The email is registered to a university that does not have open email registration.

2. The email's name is that of someone enrolled at the university.

3. If he is impersonating the individual to attend the university then he lied on his entrance application and broke laws doing so.

4. If he didn't, then he stole someone's email address or impersonated them somehow to get access to their email address. That is a crime in the US - the Sarah Palin hacked email account case.

3 or 4 are crimes and the possibility.


The school itself is part of the University of London system, which makes falsifying information about yourself in some way to get privileges there most likely a crime. I know of one person who sent me an email BCC that was sent to an employee of the school to expose Poetlister's act.

[lilburne]

3. If he is impersonating the individual to attend the university then he lied on his entrance application and broke laws doing so.

4. If he didn't, then he stole someone's email address or impersonated them somehow to get access to their email address. ter's act.

1. Which laws be specific.
2. You haven't ruled out connivance.

"I know of one person who sent me an email BCC that was sent to an employee of the school to expose Poetlister's act."

Isn't that being rather stalky itself possibly getting someone in trouble on their course simply for playing a game on a website?

Why not simply email the account and ask whether they are aware of the usage?

[Ottava]

3. If he is impersonating the individual to attend the university then he lied on his entrance application and broke laws doing so.

4. If he didn't, then he stole someone's email address or impersonated them somehow to get access to their email address. ter's act.

1. Which laws be specific.
2. You haven't ruled out connivance.

"I know of one person who sent me an email BCC that was sent to an employee of the school to expose Poetlister's act."

Isn't that being rather stalky itself possibly getting someone in trouble on their course simply for playing a game on a website?

Why not simply email the account and ask whether they are aware of the usage?

1. I'm sure there are multiple laws that apply. Falsifying governmental documents is normally a crime to ensure people don't.

2. Doesn't seem likely knowing Poetlister's background. The girl appears to be a Freshman/Sophmore now and not someone he would have just happened upon.


And notifying about improper use of an email account is standard, especially when there is suspicion of it being fraudulently used. Emailing the account wont do anything as the email is most likely hacked. That is like asking a burglar if he owns the house instead of calling the police when you have a strong suspicion he doesn't.

[lilburne]

1. I'm sure there are multiple laws that apply. Falsifying governmental documents is normally a crime to ensure people don't.

2. Doesn't seem likely knowing Poetlister's background. The girl appears to be a Freshman/Sophmore now and not someone he would have just happened upon.


And notifying about improper use of an email account is standard, especially when there is suspicion of it being fraudulently used. Emailing the account wont do anything as the email is most likely hacked. That is like asking a burglar if he owns the house instead of calling the police when you have a strong suspicion he doesn't.

1. A University application is NOT a government document.
2. When I was last an freshman I was over 40.
3. If what you said is true that he can't email from the account he probably doesn't have control of it.

Sounds to me that you are making trouble for someone in RL for something that is occurring online.

[Ottava]

1. I'm sure there are multiple laws that apply. Falsifying governmental documents is normally a crime to ensure people don't.

2. Doesn't seem likely knowing Poetlister's background. The girl appears to be a Freshman/Sophmore now and not someone he would have just happened upon.


And notifying about improper use of an email account is standard, especially when there is suspicion of it being fraudulently used. Emailing the account wont do anything as the email is most likely hacked. That is like asking a burglar if he owns the house instead of calling the police when you have a strong suspicion he doesn't.

1. A University application is NOT a government document.
2. When I was last an freshman I was over 40.
3. If what you said is true that he can't email from the account he probably doesn't have control of it.

Sounds to me that you are making trouble for someone in RL for something that is occurring online.

Have you ever applied for a college or university? They have documents that you sign that say that the information is sworn to be correct and that the information deals with residency and other things that can change the amount of money you make.

It is fraud if you falsify those documents, and seeing as how the university is a UK run university, it has serious consequences.

And this person is not 40. I've already explained that we know who the individual is. Why do you keep persisting in such strangeness? Why also would you defend illegal and completely awful behavior?

[lilburne]

1. I'm sure there are multiple laws that apply. Falsifying governmental documents is normally a crime to ensure people don't.

2. Doesn't seem likely knowing Poetlister's background. The girl appears to be a Freshman/Sophmore now and not someone he would have just happened upon.


And notifying about improper use of an email account is standard, especially when there is suspicion of it being fraudulently used. Emailing the account wont do anything as the email is most likely hacked. That is like asking a burglar if he owns the house instead of calling the police when you have a strong suspicion he doesn't.

1. A University application is NOT a government document.
2. When I was last an freshman I was over 40.
3. If what you said is true that he can't email from the account he probably doesn't have control of it.

Sounds to me that you are making trouble for someone in RL for something that is occurring online.

Have you ever applied for a college or university? They have documents that you sign that say that the information is sworn to be correct and that the information deals with residency and other things that can change the amount of money you make.

It is fraud if you falsify those documents, and seeing as how the university is a UK run university, it has serious consequences.

And this person is not 40. I've already explained that we know who the individual is. Why do you keep persisting in such strangeness? Why also would you defend illegal and completely awful behavior?

What makes you think you know anything about the email account the relationship or otherwise with poetlister? You know nothing about it. From what I recall he had contacts in the London BDSM Scene. The person whose account you are whining about could also be part of that scene, or not, and may well have agreed to forward emails to him for shits and giggles. You simple do NOT know.

What is clear from your previous posts is that he doesn't have control of the email account. This you have no reason to believe that he has phished it or done anything illegal. All you have is that he has given out the email to one or more people.

What is the problem that has you so riled up did you propose marriage, did you pay for photos that never came, or something else?

This post has been edited by lilburne: Tue 4th January 2011, 8:11pm

[Ottava]

You simple do NOT know.

It is odd how someone who never saw the emails, has no information on it, sure goes on and on about what others don't know.

Either you are making things up, or you are Poetlister. Which is it?



Somey, can we do an IP check to see if lilburne is Poetlister?

What is the problem that has you so riled up did you propose marriage, did you pay for photos that never came, or something else?

I'm not the one riled up.

You've been quite rabid in your making up things and the such. It is odd. You've lied, made things up, went on and on, for what reason? Poetlister, is that you?




Oh, look at this: Lilburne's contribs are awfully "generic British", editing in the same way Poetlister use to do - generic UK related edits as if he couldn't help being drawn to revealing his location in such an obvious manner.

How interesting.

This post has been edited by Ottava: Tue 4th January 2011, 8:51pm

[RMHED]

Somey, can we do an IP check to see if lilburne is Poetlister?

Somey can we do an IP check to see if Ottava is a caustic Catholic cunt?