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| carbuncle |
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Remember when Cirt said: QUOTE accept that there has been significant criticism relating to my editing of certain pages relating to Scientology. I will do my best to take this criticism on-board, and adjust my future actions accordingly. To begin towards that process, I have gone ahead and removed 66 Scientology-related BLP pages from my watchlist. I am going to shift my focus away from this topic of Scientology in general, and of BLPs within this topic in particular.
Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 01:33, 19 December 2010 (UTC) and QUOTE Comment: As stated here diff, I am going to avoid editing within the topic of Scientology, unless directly related to prior GA and FA projects. -- Cirt (talk) 01:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC) Well, that was weeks ago, and in a different calendar year, so I guess it would be unreasonable of me to hold Cirt to those statements. What has Cirt been up to in the first few days of 2011? - voting "KEEP" on Scientology-related deletion discussion for Jenna Miscavige Hill
- voting "KEEP" on Scientology-related deletion discussion for Exscientologykids.com
- thanking someone for their work on an L Ron Hubbard book article
- thanking someone for their work on an anti-CoS activist Jenna Miscavige Hill article
- editing a Futurama episode dealing with "Robotology"
- editing the BLP of an actor who did a spoof of Cirt's arch-enemy Tom Cruise
- welcoming someone whose only recent edit (out of a total of two) is a supportive comment for Jenna Miscavige Hill on the talk page of their article
- continuing a conversation on the talk page of an article about a former Scientologist who committed suicide years after leaving Scientology
- supporting the renaming of a page about a Scientology-related medical clinic
Just about the only thing that Cirt did that isn't related to CoS is restoring a removed quote from a movie financed by the Moonies. I'm sure there is nothing wrong with having a highly negative review snippet in its own coloured box: QUOTE "Empty-headed Korean war epic produced by Rev. Sun Myung Moon's Unification Church." —Leonard Maltin[2] I mean, that's pretty neutral, right? I'm going to add something similar to the Sound of Music and see what kind of reception I get. Cirt's statements about staying away from CoS stuff seemed to work in that people backed off the ARBSCI enforcement, but if Cirt can't keep away from it by themselves, it may be time for an intervention.
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| Wikicrusher2 |
Sun 13th February 2011, 12:07am
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Sat 12th February 2011, 3:05pm)  QUOTE(Lar @ Sat 12th February 2011, 10:24am)  QUOTE(carbuncle @ Sat 12th February 2011, 1:40pm)  As much as Cirt's overt anti-Scientology POV-pushing galls me, I'm not sure that outing them is a great idea if those stories about the CoS harassing their enemies are to be believed.
Goes without saying that I agree. Nevertheless I said it anyway. What a dick I am. we at the Program and Catering Committee have no intention of outing the victorious contestant. We simply need to know whether we ought to refer to the victor as "he", "she", "them", or "it". You must not have remembered this thread after posting in it (or just felt sullied after the impression, Krusty, as you suggested you did). By the voice it seems pretty obvious that Cirt, being the operator of the account that uploaded the files, is male (unless he got someone else to do it). Either way, Tarantino has previously stated on this board that Cirt was a guy, and his research is usually quite trustworthy. For the record, I personally agree that it's not useful to out Cirt, and it certainly doesn't contribute to any criticism of his actions on Wikipedia. Add to that Scientology's record of interaction with its critics being rather, shall I say, dubious, sometimes crossing the line into harassment. Goodness knows, we don't want that happening to Cirt, even if WR is largely not fond of him and/or thinks he is obsessing too much. I'd argue that his opinions of Scientology are correct, and he might have even been a victim of a cult at one time (Erhard's?), so it would be best to try not to become as obsessed over his WP behavior as he is about Scientology. Nevertheless, it seems that he is being overly assertive on labeling people as Scientologists when their connection is not that strong, and the WR threads about this are not unfairly targeting Cirt, IMO.
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| Somey |
Sun 13th February 2011, 7:59am
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QUOTE(Wikicrusher2 @ Sat 12th February 2011, 6:07pm)  QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Sat 12th February 2011, 3:05pm)  we at the Program and Catering Committee have no intention of outing the victorious contestant. We simply need to know whether we ought to refer to the victor as "he", "she", "them", or "it". You must not have remembered this thread after posting in it (or just felt sullied after the impression, Krusty, as you suggested you did). By the voice it seems pretty obvious that Cirt, being the operator of the account that uploaded the files, is male (unless he got someone else to do it). Either way, Tarantino has previously stated on this board that Cirt was a guy, and his research is usually quite trustworthy. The issue at hand seems to be whether or not Mr. Cirt is a "them," as in two or more people. I have to say, this would certainly explain a few things, not least of which is Cirt's tendency to behave as though Cirt has no recollection of previous promises or agreements made by Cirt, and going off and doing things Cirt had previously agreed not to do as if those promises/agreements had never been made - chiefly, trying to tag people as "Scientologists" in their BLPs when they're clearly not, and of course, the spammy puff pieces like the Daryl Wine Bar article. Obviously we see that sort of thing from Wikipedians all the time, so it's certainly not conclusive, but I think it's a plausible theory in this case... I mean, we've also seen Cirt behave in a rather male-like fashion (aggressive, nit-picky, arrogant) for a period of time, and then behave in a female-like fashion (careful, conciliatory, subtle) for a subsequent period of time, and then back again. Single accounts used by multiple individuals are probably quite rare, but only because it's exceptionally difficult to attain the level of trust required between the people using the account (since any one of them could go off the reservation at any time and change the password without telling the others). But some sort of anti-cult organization could probably manage it... If the real-world consequences (outside of Wikiland) for any one person taking over the account are serious enough, then it's a much more feasible strategy - after all, more people mean more activity, which leads to adminship much sooner (and more easily).
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