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Peter Damian
post Thu 27th January 2011, 8:00pm
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I've heard claims here occasionally that Wikipedia could be sold off. Is that possible? Who actually owns it? What is it they actually own? Could anyone get their hands on it and make a ton of money from ? What would they be getting their hands on?
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post Thu 27th January 2011, 9:14pm
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Thu 27th January 2011, 3:00pm) *

I've heard claims here occasionally that Wikipedia could be sold off. Is that possible?


Why would anyone want to buy it? It is already CC-BY-SA-3.0. That means anyone can take the stuff, repackage it, and make money.

It is like marrying the town slut who promises to do anything sexual for anyone at any time. Would you really want to marry her? Maybe someone is crazy enough, but I am sure they are prepared for the diseases that will surely come with it.
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post Fri 28th January 2011, 12:08am
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 27th January 2011, 3:14pm) *

QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Thu 27th January 2011, 3:00pm) *

I've heard claims here occasionally that Wikipedia could be sold off. Is that possible?


Why would anyone want to buy it? It is already CC-BY-SA-3.0. That means anyone can take the stuff, repackage it, and make money.

It is like marrying the town slut who promises to do anything sexual for anyone at any time. Would you really want to marry her? Maybe someone is crazy enough, but I am sure they are prepared for the diseases that will surely come with it.


As the others said it's the brand name. And even though that's "intangible" it can be worth quite a lot of money - consider that people who purchase fast-food restaurant franchises pay A LOT of dough simply to be able to use the logo/brand name, and that buying a fast food franchise, making a hefty upfront payment and then coughing up a good portion of your monthly revenue to the "parent company" STILL is a safer and probably a higher return investment (details depend on the local market), on average, then starting your own restaurant under a brand name of your choosing.

You might not like it, but Wikipedia's worth a buttload of money, despite the fact that all its content is "free" and reproducible.
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post Fri 28th January 2011, 5:15am
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QUOTE(radek @ Fri 28th January 2011, 12:08am) *
As the others said it's the brand name... You might not like it, but Wikipedia's worth a buttload of money, despite the fact that all its content is "free" and reproducible.

No, it's not the brand name. It's the traffic's potential add revenue. There isn't much else of value. Nobody cares about the brand-name, it's value is negligible compared to potential revenue of Wikipedia's traffic.

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QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Thu 27th January 2011, 11:15pm) *

QUOTE(radek @ Fri 28th January 2011, 12:08am) *
As the others said it's the brand name... You might not like it, but Wikipedia's worth a buttload of money, despite the fact that all its content is "free" and reproducible.

No, it's not the brand name. It's the traffic's potential add revenue. There isn't much else of value. Nobody cares about the brand-name, it's value is negligible compared to potential revenue of Wikipedia's traffic.


Cause and effect. It's the brand name. That is the value. No brand name no traffic, even with all the google support and all that. Traffic is the RESULT of the brand name.
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post Fri 28th January 2011, 3:50pm
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QUOTE(radek @ Fri 28th January 2011, 2:18am) *

Cause and effect. It's the brand name. That is the value. No brand name no traffic, even with all the google support and all that. Traffic is the RESULT of the brand name.


No, it is not.

If Google decided tomorrow to copy Wikipedia's content to a new site called "Sergeypedia.com", and Google elected to remove Wikipedia domains from search results and to replace them with Sergeypedia links, I guarantee you and would be willing to bet you $100 (while there would be some significant outcry from the tech press about "Google being evil") that Sergeypedia (for at least a month, even if left absolutely unimproved by any Google gimmicks) would be a Top 20 website and Wikipedia would fall out of the Top 20.

Radek, if you can find some support for your logic, I would be amused to see it.

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post Fri 28th January 2011, 3:54pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 28th January 2011, 3:50pm) *

If Google decided tomorrow to copy Wikipedia's content to a new site called "Sergeypedia.com", and Google elected to remove Wikipedia domains from search results and to replace them with Sergeypedia links, I guarantee you and would be willing to bet you $100 (while there would be some significant outcry from the tech press about "Google being evil") that Sergeypedia (for at least a month, even if left absolutely unimproved by any Google gimmicks) would be a Top 20 website and Wikipedia would fall out of the Top 20.


The problem with that argument is that Google wouldn't do that. And in fact, people use Google because it wouldn't do that.
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QUOTE(anthony @ Fri 28th January 2011, 10:54am) *
The problem with that argument is that Google wouldn't do that. And in fact, people use Google because it wouldn't do that.


Radek specifically said, "even with all the google support and all that".

I found that to be a false claim.
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Peter Damian   Who owns Wikipedia?   Thu 27th January 2011, 8:00pm
TungstenCarbide   I've heard claims here occasionally that Wiki...   Thu 27th January 2011, 9:00pm
thekohser   I've heard claims here occasionally that Wiki...   Thu 27th January 2011, 9:03pm
Ottava   I've heard claims here occasionally that Wiki...   Thu 27th January 2011, 9:14pm
WikiWatch   Why would anyone want to buy it? It is already CC...   Thu 27th January 2011, 11:19pm
dogbiscuit   Why would anyone want to buy it? It is already C...   Fri 28th January 2011, 12:19am
Ottava   Why would anyone want to buy it? It is already C...   Fri 28th January 2011, 3:18am
radek   I've heard claims here occasionally that Wik...   Fri 28th January 2011, 12:08am
radek   As the others said it's the brand name... You...   Fri 28th January 2011, 7:18am
anthony   If Google decided tomorrow to copy Wikipedia...   Fri 28th January 2011, 3:54pm
dogbiscuit   If Google decided tomorrow to copy Wikipedia...   Fri 28th January 2011, 4:12pm
anthony   [quote name='anthony' post='266901' date='Fri 28t...   Fri 28th January 2011, 4:33pm
radek   Cause and effect. It's the brand name. That ...   Fri 28th January 2011, 11:25pm
carbuncle   [quote name='thekohser' post='266900' date='Fri 2...   Sat 29th January 2011, 12:07am
WikiWatch   [quote name='thekohser' post='266900' date='Fri 2...   Sat 29th January 2011, 3:17am
anthony   As the others said it's the brand name... You...   Fri 28th January 2011, 2:33pm
Kelly Martin   Greg pretty much nailed it: the main transactable ...   Thu 27th January 2011, 9:30pm
Peter Damian   Who owns the fact that when I Google anything it g...   Thu 27th January 2011, 10:20pm
Ottava   No 'it' is not CC-BY-SA-3.0. 'It...   Thu 27th January 2011, 10:35pm
carbuncle   I was going to say that, like a hooker, you could...   Fri 28th January 2011, 3:35am
gomi   Legally, the Wikimedia Foundation (or whatever it ...   Thu 27th January 2011, 10:46pm
Peter Damian   Legally, the Wikimedia Foundation (or whatever it...   Thu 27th January 2011, 10:54pm
thekohser   Does anyone know who I would approach? I would l...   Fri 28th January 2011, 4:29am
Peter Damian   Does anyone know who I would approach? I would ...   Fri 28th January 2011, 7:02pm
Jon Awbrey   Well I try to signal humour or irony by saying th...   Fri 28th January 2011, 7:08pm
thekohser   Well I try to signal humour or irony by saying th...   Fri 28th January 2011, 7:22pm
Peter Damian   Well I try to signal humour or irony by saying t...   Fri 28th January 2011, 9:33pm
Kelly Martin   This is not an exhaustive list. The Wikimedia Fou...   Fri 28th January 2011, 6:00am
anthony   This is not an exhaustive list. The Wikimedia Fo...   Fri 28th January 2011, 2:16pm
Abd   This is not an exhaustive list. The Wikimedia Fou...   Sat 29th January 2011, 10:35pm
anthony   Mmm... nonprofits can sell advertising, and can p...   Sat 29th January 2011, 11:47pm
gomi   Mmm... nonprofits can sell advertising, and can pa...   Sun 30th January 2011, 12:24am
anthony   Regarding selling advertising, many non-profits d...   Sun 30th January 2011, 1:14am
dogbiscuit   It seems antony's been drinking the Google jui...   Fri 28th January 2011, 6:25pm
Peter Damian   I've heard claims here occasionally that Wiki...   Fri 28th January 2011, 9:36pm
gomi   I suppose it should have been "Could anyone g...   Fri 28th January 2011, 10:08pm
Peter Damian   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='266937' date='Fr...   Fri 28th January 2011, 10:30pm
gomi   On who makes these decisions, how are the trustees...   Sat 29th January 2011, 12:41am
Peter Damian   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='266943' date='Fr...   Sat 29th January 2011, 8:28am
thekohser   I think Jimbo already proved that this particula...   Sat 29th January 2011, 1:01pm
Somey   There are two things that strike me about this, as...   Sat 29th January 2011, 11:49pm
EricBarbour   I guess what I'm saying WRT advertising is tha...   Sat 29th January 2011, 11:58pm
radek   I guess what I'm saying WRT advertising is th...   Sun 30th January 2011, 12:56am
Peter Damian   even the most short-sighted businesses don't ...   Sun 30th January 2011, 9:34am
EricBarbour   If you read anything that WMF puts out, or join in...   Sun 30th January 2011, 10:27am
Peter Damian   You've just described Wikia, btw. Not quite...   Sun 30th January 2011, 11:36am
Somey   In the case of articles about large corporations, ...   Sun 30th January 2011, 6:22pm
Peter Damian   But if Wikipedia were to set up something like Wi...   Sun 30th January 2011, 7:23pm
Milton Roe   [quote name='Somey' post='267030' date='Sun 30th ...   Sun 30th January 2011, 7:39pm
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TungstenCarbide   Perhaps Mr. Brandt would have a few choice comment...   Mon 31st January 2011, 4:04am
WikiWatch   You guys are assuming that Google's page rank...   Mon 31st January 2011, 4:15am


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