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| radek |
Fri 28th January 2011, 12:08am
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 27th January 2011, 3:14pm)  QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Thu 27th January 2011, 3:00pm)  I've heard claims here occasionally that Wikipedia could be sold off. Is that possible?
Why would anyone want to buy it? It is already CC-BY-SA-3.0. That means anyone can take the stuff, repackage it, and make money. It is like marrying the town slut who promises to do anything sexual for anyone at any time. Would you really want to marry her? Maybe someone is crazy enough, but I am sure they are prepared for the diseases that will surely come with it. As the others said it's the brand name. And even though that's "intangible" it can be worth quite a lot of money - consider that people who purchase fast-food restaurant franchises pay A LOT of dough simply to be able to use the logo/brand name, and that buying a fast food franchise, making a hefty upfront payment and then coughing up a good portion of your monthly revenue to the "parent company" STILL is a safer and probably a higher return investment (details depend on the local market), on average, then starting your own restaurant under a brand name of your choosing. You might not like it, but Wikipedia's worth a buttload of money, despite the fact that all its content is "free" and reproducible.
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| TungstenCarbide |
Fri 28th January 2011, 5:15am
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QUOTE(radek @ Fri 28th January 2011, 12:08am)  As the others said it's the brand name... You might not like it, but Wikipedia's worth a buttload of money, despite the fact that all its content is "free" and reproducible. No, it's not the brand name. It's the traffic's potential add revenue. There isn't much else of value. Nobody cares about the brand-name, it's value is negligible compared to potential revenue of Wikipedia's traffic. This post has been edited by TungstenCarbide: Fri 28th January 2011, 5:16am
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| radek |
Fri 28th January 2011, 7:18am
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QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Thu 27th January 2011, 11:15pm)  QUOTE(radek @ Fri 28th January 2011, 12:08am)  As the others said it's the brand name... You might not like it, but Wikipedia's worth a buttload of money, despite the fact that all its content is "free" and reproducible. No, it's not the brand name. It's the traffic's potential add revenue. There isn't much else of value. Nobody cares about the brand-name, it's value is negligible compared to potential revenue of Wikipedia's traffic. Cause and effect. It's the brand name. That is the value. No brand name no traffic, even with all the google support and all that. Traffic is the RESULT of the brand name.
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| thekohser |
Fri 28th January 2011, 3:50pm
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QUOTE(radek @ Fri 28th January 2011, 2:18am)  Cause and effect. It's the brand name. That is the value. No brand name no traffic, even with all the google support and all that. Traffic is the RESULT of the brand name.
No, it is not. If Google decided tomorrow to copy Wikipedia's content to a new site called "Sergeypedia.com", and Google elected to remove Wikipedia domains from search results and to replace them with Sergeypedia links, I guarantee you and would be willing to bet you $100 (while there would be some significant outcry from the tech press about "Google being evil") that Sergeypedia (for at least a month, even if left absolutely unimproved by any Google gimmicks) would be a Top 20 website and Wikipedia would fall out of the Top 20. Radek, if you can find some support for your logic, I would be amused to see it. This post has been edited by thekohser: Fri 28th January 2011, 3:52pm
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| radek |
Fri 28th January 2011, 11:25pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 28th January 2011, 9:50am)  QUOTE(radek @ Fri 28th January 2011, 2:18am)  Cause and effect. It's the brand name. That is the value. No brand name no traffic, even with all the google support and all that. Traffic is the RESULT of the brand name.
No, it is not. If Google decided tomorrow to copy Wikipedia's content to a new site called "Sergeypedia.com", and Google elected to remove Wikipedia domains from search results and to replace them with Sergeypedia links, I guarantee you and would be willing to bet you $100 (while there would be some significant outcry from the tech press about "Google being evil") that Sergeypedia (for at least a month, even if left absolutely unimproved by any Google gimmicks) would be a Top 20 website and Wikipedia would fall out of the Top 20. Radek, if you can find some support for your logic, I would be amused to see it. I disagree - that Sergeypedia would be top 20, not sure about whether Wikipedia would fall out of top 20 -- and which Top 20 are we talking about? -- - but in the absence of a controlled experiment how do we know?
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| carbuncle |
Sat 29th January 2011, 12:07am
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QUOTE(radek @ Fri 28th January 2011, 11:25pm)  QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 28th January 2011, 9:50am)  QUOTE(radek @ Fri 28th January 2011, 2:18am)  Cause and effect. It's the brand name. That is the value. No brand name no traffic, even with all the google support and all that. Traffic is the RESULT of the brand name.
No, it is not. If Google decided tomorrow to copy Wikipedia's content to a new site called "Sergeypedia.com", and Google elected to remove Wikipedia domains from search results and to replace them with Sergeypedia links, I guarantee you and would be willing to bet you $100 (while there would be some significant outcry from the tech press about "Google being evil") that Sergeypedia (for at least a month, even if left absolutely unimproved by any Google gimmicks) would be a Top 20 website and Wikipedia would fall out of the Top 20. Radek, if you can find some support for your logic, I would be amused to see it. I disagree - that Sergeypedia would be top 20, not sure about whether Wikipedia would fall out of top 20 -- and which Top 20 are we talking about? -- - but in the absence of a controlled experiment how do we know? I am of the opinion, based on not much at all, that Google artificially inflates WP's ranking in search results because it is a reliably decent result for many searches. Better to get a WP article first than a linkfarm.
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Peter Damian Who owns Wikipedia? Thu 27th January 2011, 8:00pm TungstenCarbide
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Why would anyone want to buy it? It is already C... Fri 28th January 2011, 3:18am     anthony
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If Google decided tomorrow to copy Wikipedia... Fri 28th January 2011, 4:12pm       anthony
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[quote name='thekohser' post='266900' date='Fri 2... Sat 29th January 2011, 3:17am   anthony
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[quote name='Peter Damian' post='266943' date='Fr... Sat 29th January 2011, 8:28am thekohser
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You've just described Wikia, btw.
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