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Peter Damian
post Sat 5th February 2011, 8:16am
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Picking up on something Eva said here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iri...12#Wikipedia_II which has affinities with some of the stuff what was discussed here http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&sh...ndpost&p=267006

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post Sat 5th February 2011, 12:42pm
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Eva's a bit delusional, though:

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In spite of the godawful name and Greg's occasional bursts of spectacular obnoxiousness holding it back, in some ways I think MWB could be the shape of things to come. The Mainspace/Directoryspace divide clearly separates NPOV articles from spam-pieces while allowing the two to co-exist peacefully and borrow appropriate material from each other, and I think it's actually done a fine job in taking the best of Wikipedia's model (which, even in its terminal decline, does have a lot of strengths) while identifying and eliminating the systemic weaknesses which are killing Wikipedia (domination by cliques, vocal fringes dominating a silent majority in the middle, massive social inertia, an inability to control social networking, systemic failure of the article assessment processes, the cult of anti-expertism, the obsession with "civility" beyond any reasonable limit, a self-appointing and self-policing hierarchy...). If Greg changed the name, relinquished most or all of his control to a committee which wasn't selected to agree with him (I think a committee including Alison, Durova, Malleus, Moni, yourself and Shankbone, for instance, would do a fine job at covering the significant bases while avoiding personalities so toxic that debate is impossible), was willing to import content from Wikipedia under GFDL, and managed to get a "name" industry backer (Apple, Cisco or the like), I wouldn't be surprised to see MWB overtake Wikipedia within two years.
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post Sat 5th February 2011, 9:56pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Sat 5th February 2011, 12:42pm) *

Eva's a bit delusional, though:

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In spite of the godawful name and Greg's occasional bursts of spectacular obnoxiousness holding it back, in some ways I think MWB could be the shape of things to come. The Mainspace/Directoryspace divide clearly separates NPOV articles from spam-pieces while allowing the two to co-exist peacefully and borrow appropriate material from each other, and I think it's actually done a fine job in taking the best of Wikipedia's model (which, even in its terminal decline, does have a lot of strengths) while identifying and eliminating the systemic weaknesses which are killing Wikipedia (domination by cliques, vocal fringes dominating a silent majority in the middle, massive social inertia, an inability to control social networking, systemic failure of the article assessment processes, the cult of anti-expertism, the obsession with "civility" beyond any reasonable limit, a self-appointing and self-policing hierarchy...). If Greg changed the name, relinquished most or all of his control to a committee which wasn't selected to agree with him (I think a committee including Alison, Durova, Malleus, Moni, yourself and Shankbone, for instance, would do a fine job at covering the significant bases while avoiding personalities so toxic that debate is impossible), was willing to import content from Wikipedia under GFDL, and managed to get a "name" industry backer (Apple, Cisco or the like), I wouldn't be surprised to see MWB overtake Wikipedia within two years.


A lot of big ifs there, but in the unlikely event Steve Jobs came knocking, I stand by that statement. MWB has some glaring faults, but I give you full credit for being the first to solve the "how to allow spam while maintaining a neutral point of view in important areas" problem which confounded both Wikipedia and Larrypedia, Britannica, Knol et al for the last ten years.
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Peter Damian   If you owned Wikipedia   Sat 5th February 2011, 8:16am
thekohser   Eva's a bit delusional, though:   Sat 5th February 2011, 12:42pm
thekohser   A lot of big ifs there, but in the unlikely event...   Sat 5th February 2011, 10:25pm
radek   Picking up on something Eva said here http://en.w...   Sun 6th February 2011, 1:19am
radek   Picking up on something Eva said here http://en.w...   Sun 6th February 2011, 1:30am
EricBarbour   -_-   Sun 6th February 2011, 1:33am
Text   Delete everything and use the servers as hosts for...   Sun 6th February 2011, 1:46am
radek   Delete everything and use the servers as hosts fo...   Sun 6th February 2011, 2:05am
victim of censorship   Delete everything and use the servers as hosts fo...   Sun 6th February 2011, 3:27am
radek   Picking up on something Eva said here http://en.w...   Sun 6th February 2011, 2:15am
Kelly Martin   Also I'd perma ban any grad students from edit...   Sun 6th February 2011, 3:16am
radek   Also I'd perma ban any grad students from edi...   Sun 6th February 2011, 3:29am
Kelly Martin   The ratio of "things they think they know...   Sun 6th February 2011, 3:38am
radek   The ratio of "things they think they know...   Sun 6th February 2011, 3:40am
Zoloft   First, I'd sit behind my big desk and put my f...   Sun 6th February 2011, 5:51am
radek   Delete all biographies of people not dead at leas...   Sun 6th February 2011, 7:32am
Zoloft   Delete all biographies of people not dead at lea...   Sun 6th February 2011, 8:37am
radek   [quote name='radek' post='267584' date='Sat 5th F...   Sun 6th February 2011, 9:09am
WikiWatch   [*] Delete all biographies of people not dead at ...   Sun 6th February 2011, 9:12am
victim of censorship   First, I'd sit behind my big desk and put my ...   Sun 6th February 2011, 10:47pm
EricBarbour   -_- -_- (Stop talking about taking over, and do...   Sun 6th February 2011, 9:13am
Zoloft   -_- -_- (Stop talking about taking over, and d...   Mon 7th February 2011, 1:26am
Cedric   Was this meant to be a trick question? The answer...   Sun 6th February 2011, 6:35pm
Brutus   If I owned Wikipedia, I'd probably do the same...   Tue 8th February 2011, 8:57am


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