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Jon Awbrey
post Thu 17th February 2011, 5:08am
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Wow, I was a member of the Facebook Group “Wikipedia Women” for about 15 minutes, but they didn't even give me a chance to say Howdy.

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post Thu 17th February 2011, 6:35am
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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Wed 16th February 2011, 9:08pm) *

Wow, I was a member of the Facebook Group “Wikipedia Women” for about 15 minutes, but they didn't even give me a chance to say Howdy.

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Why were you kicked off? Any reason given? It doesn't say anywhere what the group is for, or what the rules are, or even whether it's women-only (such as it could be).

BTW - I note that Sue Gardner is now an admin on that page ...
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post Thu 17th February 2011, 6:50am
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QUOTE(Alison @ Thu 17th February 2011, 1:35am) *

QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Wed 16th February 2011, 9:08pm) *

Wow, I was a member of the Facebook Group “Wikipedia Women” for about 15 minutes, but they didn't even give me a chance to say Howdy.

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Why were you kicked off? Any reason given? It doesn't say anywhere what the group is for, or what the rules are, or even whether it's women-only (such as it could be).

BTW — I note that Sue Gardner is now an admin on that page …


No, I requested to join and Aleta added me right away, posting a notice on the group page. I put a like on that and then I went off to the Help Center because I wanted to share a complex link that I had already posted on my wall and I didn't know how to do that — but the next time I looked Aleta's notice was gone and my name was off the rolls like I had never even been there.

You know, I just keep giving these people chances and they just keep proving out the same way …

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post Thu 17th February 2011, 12:29pm
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Fairly clear that it's intended to be a "rah rah" lovebombing group instead of any sort of meaningful discussion on real issues.

I won't even bother joining; it's a virtual certainty that they'll eject me, what with both Sue and Angela being members. There was (and presumably still is) a "wikichix" list that I was ejected from back in 2007 by Angela (for purportedly "violating the privacy of the list" by revealing that Florence was using the list to campaign against Danny in the 2007 board elections). In the six months or so I was on it almost nothing of substance was discussed.
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post Thu 17th February 2011, 1:33pm
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When I loaded that Facebook group page, the contextual advertisement on the right said, "You may be at risk, and not even know it."

How true, how true!
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post Thu 17th February 2011, 2:15pm
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Thu 17th February 2011, 7:29am) *

Fairly clear that it's intended to be a “rah rah” lovebombing group instead of any sort of meaningful discussion on real issues.

I won't even bother joining; it's a virtual certainty that they'll eject me, what with both Sue and Angela being members. There was (and presumably still is) a “wikichix” list that I was ejected from back in 2007 by Angela (for purportedly “violating the privacy of the list” by revealing that Florence was using the list to campaign against Danny in the 2007 board elections). In the six months or so I was on it almost nothing of substance was discussed.


We have, of course, seen it all before. WikiAbuse, WikBak, and a viral host of others. If you look at how quickly they jerked the GenderGap List back into the party line I think it breaks all previous records by a long shot.

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post Thu 17th February 2011, 2:59pm
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Wow, group member Janine Starykowicz is really my kind of gal!!! boing.gif

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post Thu 17th February 2011, 3:31pm
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I somehow missed that the "gendergap" list was a Wikimedia-controlled mailing list.

In any case, one of the problems I'm seeing in the analyses I'm seeing of the "problem" is that nearly all of them are from people who suffer from monotaxocausophilia. I suppose they're either seeking a boogeyman to blame, or are trying to find the Minimum Necessary Change required to Make It All Better.
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Thu 17th February 2011, 8:31am) *

I somehow missed that the "gendergap" list was a Wikimedia-controlled mailing list.

In any case, one of the problems I'm seeing in the analyses I'm seeing of the "problem" is that nearly all of them are from people who suffer from monotaxocausophilia. I suppose they're either seeking a boogeyman to blame, or are trying to find the Minimum Necessary Change required to Make It All Better.

Well, the single-causists come out of engineering disciplines, where you admit that everything has many causes, but you try to start on the significant things first, and neglect the secondary effects, lest the problem grow so difficult that it's not even attackable, let alone solvable.

My own favorite wars in this area are between people who identify a pathogen like HIV as the cause of an epidemic like AIDS, and the Duesberg/Root-Berstein idea that the syndrome of AIDS is just a result of a dozens of environmental stressors that finally cause the immune system to give up the ghost, and that HIV by itself is totally harmless. ermm.gif blink.gif

And if you think that sort of war of philosophies doesn't still go on, consider the colony collapse disorder in honeybees, where the whole hive just flies off in various directions and dies. This has spread from country to country and from hive to hive, just like it was some new pathogen or set of them. There are people seriously suggesting that it's a multicausal thing where Mother Nature has just given up, as our poor honeybees are inundated wtih stresses from pesticides to cell phone radiation to working too hard too far away from home, with not enough pay, to whatever. And so we'll never narrow this inherrently multicausal thing down to just one or two pathogens, as we finally did with all of the AIDS-related diseases (where it was HIV plus something else, almost all the time). That war actually continues with the bees, and you can see it while it plays out. If you haven't guessed, I tend to be on the engineering side.

(With HIV, just about all the people who thought HIV was harmless and refused to take anti-HIV drugs, finally died of AIDS. So that was the end of that).
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post Thu 17th February 2011, 8:52pm
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Thu 17th February 2011, 10:31am) *

I somehow missed that the “gendergap” list was a Wikimedia-controlled mailing list.

In any case, one of the problems I'm seeing in the analyses I'm seeing of the “problem” is that nearly all of them are from people who suffer from monotaxocausophilia. I suppose they're either seeking a boogeyman to blame, or are trying to find the Minimum Necessary Change required to Make It All Better.


I think it's obvious that there really is a problem with woman being infantilized by infantile men. That phenomenon precedes Wikipedia, of course. But the Wikipediot answer to the problem of men infantilzing women is to create a crèche where women can infantilize each other.

Of course, there's nothing very novel about that either. Which is why wiki-feminism looks so much like Wiki-Phyllis Schlaflyism.

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post Thu 17th February 2011, 9:10pm
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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Thu 17th February 2011, 1:52pm) *

QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Thu 17th February 2011, 10:31am) *

I somehow missed that the “gendergap” list was a Wikimedia-controlled mailing list.

In any case, one of the problems I'm seeing in the analyses I'm seeing of the “problem” is that nearly all of them are from people who suffer from monotaxocausophilia. I suppose they're either seeking a boogeyman to blame, or are trying to find the Minimum Necessary Change required to Make It All Better.


I think it's obvious that there really is a problem with woman being infantilized by infantile men. That phenomenon precedes Wikipedia, of course. But the Wikipediot answer to the problem of men infantilzing women is to create a crèche where women can infantilize each other.

Of course, there's nothing very novel about that either. Which is why wiki-feminism looks so much like Wiki-Phyllis Schlaflyism.

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We are all sometimes guilty of this sin. But if I had to choose the one gender most responsbile for "over-infantilizing other people" it would surely not be males. hrmph.gif

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post Fri 18th February 2011, 3:50am
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Just by way of recalling some herstory …“Unlocking The Clubhouse” !? — talk about irony …

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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 17th February 2011, 2:59pm) *

Wow, group member Janine Starykowicz is really my kind of gal!!! boing.gif


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post Fri 18th February 2011, 8:02pm
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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Thu 17th February 2011, 8:50pm) *

Just by way of recalling some herstory …“Unlocking The Clubhouse” !? — talk about irony …

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Well, they couldn't very well say, "We don't want to be in your stupid Treehouse Club anyway!" -- now, could they? Since WP is the treehouse club.

No, Sue's idea is that the girls will climb up into the treehouse, and once up there, will use it to see if their Kanani dolls will actually fit into the Hawaiian accessories. Instead of using the place to shoot at birds with slingshots, which is actually one thing that is a lot easier to do in the treehouse. Also, in a treehouse, nobody down on the ground can hear when you make GIANT farting noises.

We'll let you know how this plan turns out. wink.gif
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 17th February 2011, 2:59pm) *
Wow, group member Janine Starykowicz is really my kind of gal!!! boing.gif

Little bit of a problem with facial hair, no?

What is the old say,

"Horse sweat ... men perspire ... women merely add a glow to the wikipedia." or perhaps
"Horse sweat ... men perspire ... women wikipedians make Jimbo glow."

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QUOTE(Cock-up-over-conspiracy @ Fri 18th February 2011, 8:38pm) *

QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 17th February 2011, 2:59pm) *
Wow, group member Janine Starykowicz is really my kind of gal!!! boing.gif

Little bit of a problem with facial hair, no?

What is the old say,

"Horse sweat ... men perspire ... women merely add a glow to the wikipedia."



Men piss, women pee, Benjiboy tinkles... ermm.gif



Or was that Blofeld that spent his time tinkling...
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Men piss, women pee, Benjiboy tinkles... ermm.gif

Men ride horses ... women mount them ... Benjiboi spend years single-handely editing pornographic pages on the Wikipedia about them.
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Could some nice mod please clean the horse-shit out of this thread?

Y'know, I actually post links to these discussions on respectable sites.

Thanks,

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Aleta wrote me a nice note on Facebook explaining her actions and I responded as follows:

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Thanks for the note, Aleta. I think I understand the sorts of pressures you must be under. Heaven knows I grok the trials of forum moderation, but I believe diversity and openness are always better in the long run, to whatever extent one can tolerate them, and I think I could have made a contribution, especially if people are interested in fields of concern beyond Wikipedia. By the way, I was going to open by sharing one of S.A.'s papers on Diversity. There are links to it near the top of my wall if you are interested.

Regards,

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Wow, they've added only a couple of participants since they booted me out of their tree-house. I think any fair observer would have to admit that it would have been a lot more interesting if they had let me stay in.

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