2011 Earthquake and Tsunami Options

[taiwopanfob]

It's actually kind of scary in a personal way. Me and my family have already started discussing our plan of action for if the reactor(s) lose containment and spew radiation across northern and central Japan. As you know, nuclear power is one of the most powerful, efficient, non-carbon producing energy sources, so the proponents of the theory of human-caused climate change should be embracing it. The problem is, however, that most of those activists are liberal/left wing, so they feel uncomfortable promoting nuclear power.

You can see the POV nitwits are already at work. From the talk-page of Fukushima I plant:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fukushim...ear_Power_Plant

"If you have Hydrogen, than you have radioactivity, as I see it. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 12:46, 12 March 2011 (UTC) "

Do people like this really deserve the benefits of modern society? Put them on an island and let their exhalations power their wind turbines, and, when they tire, they can hook up their anuses to the natural gas backup generators.

How ironic.

There are in fact big causes for concern for what can only be called the "modified military fuel cycle" that powers almost all commercial reactors today. They are inefficient, and they are difficult to build and operate. Monster pressure vessels?! High energy waste streams?! Better designs exist -- LFTR or IFR -- but there is an immense institutional inertia in the US for LWR and similar designs. In this case of good ideas only taking hold after the old guard succumbs to entropy, not only do the original leaders have to die off, but thousands and thousands of NRC bureaucrats as well...

[Milton Roe]

As you know, nuclear power is one of the most powerful, efficient, non-carbon producing energy sources, so the proponents of the theory of human-caused climate change should be embracing it. The problem is, however, that most of those activists are liberal/left wing, so they feel uncomfortable promoting nuclear power. How ironic.

It's not THAT ironic, as these issues are (at their base) gender-politics. Women and men have different anxiety-buttons, that's all.

Left-liberal politics is a female view of the world as One Big Extended Family (It takes a village to raise a child ) and why can't we scale natural-family-communism right up past village-level, to State size? Right Wing politics is the male side of that. Give me guns, rockets and weapons, and I'll blast the irresponsible bastards who are fucking up my world... Any by the way, dad is the head of this family, not your sewing circle.

When you get to energy politics, it basically comes down to a cleanliness issue, like a bachelor pad. Who cares if the globe is dirty, smelly, and dusty? You can clean it any old time, but meanwhile we have other greasy and more interesting stuff to do on the bike in the living room. You prissy Lefties remind me of my ex-wife. If you don't like your dirty smokestacks, I have some really cool death beam machines to fix the problem, like in Iron Man. Didn't you like Iron Man? Does Iron Man look like he recycles?

The womynsleft-Liberals, who have spent their time going around looking for various kinds of poisons (since women feel about toxins the same way they feel about spiders, rats, and dirt) see nuclear energy as just one more kind of unusually complicated poison. NOOOOOOOOS! You might as well propose dusting and mopping the world and then fixing it by dumping glowing goo on it. Not around my baby! I don't care if my baby doesn't get good food or clothes or doesn't have a job when he/she grow up-- at least she won't have 3 eyes. Meanwhile, the Right wing is thinking: Radioactive Spider Man! The Hulk! Rads are rad!

Trying for Maximal Political Incorrectness Here,

MR


(But I'm still correct as usual)

[anthony]

As you know, nuclear power is one of the most powerful, efficient, non-carbon producing energy sources, so the proponents of the theory of human-caused climate change should be embracing it. The problem is, however, that most of those activists are liberal/left wing, so they feel uncomfortable promoting nuclear power. How ironic.

It's not THAT ironic

What's ironic is that the ones advocating embracing new technologies are called "conservatives" and the ones opposed to it are called "progressives"

[Detective]

Left-liberal politics is a female view of the world
....
(But I'm still correct as usual)

How do you award a barnstar here? This certainly deserves a "gratuitous sexism" award.

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

I imagine it will only get worse now ...

Woah ... too right ... they keep trying to delete the bit about the dumb Americans who went down to see the tsunami come in or couldn't tell the difference between it and the low tide ... and some even got W-E-T !!! That's notable ... see; here.

C-a-n-t b-e h-a-v-i-n-g t-h-a-t!!! Not with a reliable source like The Curry Pilot.

01:24, 13 March 2011 (view source)
Peter G Werner (talk | contribs)

(→Tsunami: Restoring some absolutely excessive gutting of content by prior editor.
Trimming of excess or repetitious content is one thing, but this kind of hack-and-slash editing is uncalled-for.)

Next edit →

This post has been edited by Cock-up-over-conspiracy: Sun 13th March 2011, 2:36am

[taiwopanfob]

From Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant, we learn:

At 22:53 JST (13:53 GMT) Tokyo Broadcasting System (TBS), quoting Fukushima representatives, has reported that there was an evacuation of 30 staff members and 60 patients due to the explosion. From those evacuees three patients received a checkup for radiation exposure by the hospital staff at Futaba, a town 3.5 miles from the power plant. One of the three people who received the checkup showed an exposure of "100,000 counts per minute" (a Geiger counter measurement; reaches 30 mSv after 1–10 hours of exposure), while the other two people showed exposure of 40,000 and 30,000 counts per minute. While all three patients have been decontaminated, about 90 other evacuees may also require decontamination.[70]

It sounds like someone waved a counter at these people and reported the number to the media, where they somehow became dose figures that have units of power instead of energy, and from there straight into the Wikipedia database as "reliable" fact. The result is babble that reads like "the distance from New York City to Washington is 73 ichnorts per millischorquats", where there are poorly known conversions from ichnorts to distance and schorquats to time.

Someone is trying to fix the problem, but running into the usual nitwit response:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fukushim..._is_WP:SYNTH.3F

Wikipolicy in a Radioactive Nut Shell: Thou Shalt Worship the Main Stream Media, and Bathe Thy Brain in All of its Effluent!

Fortunately, the cited reference has since 404'd, if it ever existed at all in the first place, so Silver seren can now go "improve" the article with little fear of bio/chem/radiological contamination.

But what to do with the stain the process leaves on the mind?

[Tarc]

a tsunami of stupid IP edits

In the current circumstances, I don't know if that's the best metaphor to use.

Yea, stop flooding this thread with bad metaphors, you'll wash away all the good content.

[lilburne]

I imagine it will only get worse now ...

Woah ... too right ... they keep trying to delete the bit about the dumb Americans who went down to see the tsunami come in or couldn't tell the difference between it and the low tide ... and some even got W-E-T !!! That's notable ... see; here.

What is needed is a page call " Media Wanking and other Exploitations over and around some news event" all of the above could be funnelled into that.

[anthony]

State of emergency at nuclear power plant in Onagawa, Japan, where excessive radiation levels reported.

So, this wouldn't have happened with a molten-salt reactor, right?

[Kelly Martin]

So, this wouldn't have happened with a molten-salt reactor, right?

Or with a fluidized-bed reactor. BWRs are very challenging to control, and have far worse failure modes than several other reactor types out there. Their main advantage is that their power output can be modulated fairly quickly, which is essential for the military uses for which they were originally developed, and they cannot easily be used to produce plutonium. The reason BWRs still dominate is political, rather than technical. It's a complete shame that the nuclear power industry is going to take a massive hit for this, when this failure is due proximally due to poor contingency planning (really, you put all your backup generators where they could be hit by a tsunami?), and more deeply because of the inbred politics of the American military-industrial complex, especially when far safer, as well as more efficient, designs exist, but are not broadly used, entirely for political reasons.

But I digress.

[Cla68]

So, this wouldn't have happened with a molten-salt reactor, right?

Or with a fluidized-bed reactor. BWRs are very challenging to control, and have far worse failure modes than several other reactor types out there. Their main advantage is that their power output can be modulated fairly quickly, which is essential for the military uses for which they were originally developed, and they cannot easily be used to produce plutonium. The reason BWRs still dominate is political, rather than technical. It's a complete shame that the nuclear power industry is going to take a massive hit for this, when this failure is due proximally due to poor contingency planning (really, you put all your backup generators where they could be hit by a tsunami?), and more deeply because of the inbred politics of the American military-industrial complex, especially when far safer, as well as more efficient, designs exist, but are not broadly used, entirely for political reasons.

But I digress.

Well, the photos of the Fukushima Dai-Ichi plant appear to show that the location was protected on the ocean side by breakwaters. Unfortunately, the breakwaters apparently weren't high enough to stop this particular tsunami. So, they should have had a better disaster plan. By the way, our family friends in Sendai were uninjured in the earthquake.

Back to the WP article, you can see that the editors involved are struggling to build an article that does justice to what actually took place. The effects on western or English-speaking countries is well represented in the article, but editors are having trouble locating details on what has taken place in Japan, including how long the earthquake actually lasted and when the tsunamis hit.

[Jon Awbrey]

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1605260179420

[thekohser]

https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1605260179420

Non-working link.

Works for me. Did you set up secure browsing on Facebook yet?

Jon

My bad -- I was on a "guest" connection to the Internet, and Facebook was quarantined. Link works fine for me now.

That is a stunning video. It's amazing to me how the "surge" increased relentlessly over a 5-minute period. Not my uninformed impression of what a tsunami wave would look like.

This post has been edited by thekohser: Mon 14th March 2011, 2:08pm

[wikieyeay]

The Wikipaedophiles get their priorities right, as usual:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_the...o_game_industry

[EricBarbour]

The Wikipaedophiles get their priorities right, as usual:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_the...o_game_industry

That's pretty wretched, although I daresay this guy needs to be discussed more.
An editor who does nothing (nothing) but videogame trivia and Family Guy.
Not only does he add nothing but fanboi non-knowledge to WP, he goes around accusing
everyone else of naughtiness.

Another one I'd like to ask: sir, are you a machine?

[Somey]

The Wikipaedophiles get their priorities right, as usual:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_the...o_game_industry

Unbefuckinglievable. Just when you think they can't get any more trite and idiotic, they come up with something like that.

There's also the usual 20 pages or so of arguing over what to name the article.

[Cock-up-over-conspiracy]

Unbefuckinglievable.

Unbefuckinglievable squared ... if it were not so predictable.

Trust me, we are only one step away from ...

Impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on the Japanese Pornography Industry.

Just thank God the Wiki-wankers can't read Japanese or they would be prematurely withdrawing the citations as we type ... "And why not? The Wikipedia is not censored!!!".

Meanwhile back in the real world, everyone from newly born babies to 104 year old women are being pulled out of rubble and left in freezing circumstances without fuel and food, only to face a 3 Mile Island type disaster.

If you want to be really depressed, see Facebook for the usual 1,000 "Fuck you for Pearl Harbor, it is your Karma Japs" comments that leave one feeling the entirely Web 2.0 ought to be shut down. Trust me, the links are there ...

Crisisresponse donations page for Japan quake 2011

This post has been edited by Cock-up-over-conspiracy: Thu 17th March 2011, 6:01pm

[Milton Roe]

Unbefuckinglievable.

Unbefuckinglievable squared ... if it were not so predictable.

Trust me, we are only one step away from ...

Impact of the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on the Japanese Pornography Industry.

To be fair, my local news out of SoCal did a segment on "What effect will this have on your sushi?"

Journalism has a lot of pettiness and selfishness everywhere. They produce what sells. Wikipedia produces whatever interests the nerds who write it. It's sometimes hard to tell the difference, but not always. Nerds care more about manga than sushi, as a rule.

[Milton Roe]

The Wikipedia article on potassium iodide, normally a few hundred hits a day, has been pulled up 162,000 times in the last 4 days:

http://stats.grok.se/en/201103/potassium%20iodide

Similar increases have been seen at iodine and iodine-131. Nothing makes people use an encyclopedia like something new. Now, back to that contaminated sushi idea....

[taiwopanfob]

The Wikipedia article on potassium iodide, normally a few hundred hits a day, has been pulled up 162,000 times in the last 4 days:

From the article:

Potassium iodide is a possible teratogen.

If we check http://wiki.medpedia.com/Teratogen, it lists KI as a "category D: Studies, adequate well-controlled or observational, in pregnant women have demonstrated a risk to the fetus. However, the benefits of therapy may outweigh the potential risk."

Therapy is probably indicated for people living near the reactor. How about the panic stricken on the West Coast of North America? Perhaps we will see an anomalous spike in birth defects in 9 months.