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JWSchmidt
post Tue 29th March 2011, 10:56pm
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I'm blogging about Wikimedia stewards. Does anyone have any good steward stories?

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post Wed 30th March 2011, 1:00am
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I'm blogging about Wikimedia stewards. Does anyone have any good steward stories?

-John Schmidt
For the most parts the Stewards are fairly boring people. This is largely because if they aren't boring they won't get reelected.
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post Wed 30th March 2011, 1:19am
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QUOTE(JWSchmidt @ Tue 29th March 2011, 6:56pm) *

I'm blogging about Wikimedia stewards. Does anyone have any good steward stories?

-John Schmidt


Mike Lifeguard trying to enforce a personally-decided Meta ban on me by breaking rules on various other Wikimedia projects was pretty funny. When it became clear that his action was a pointless personal vendetta, he cried a little like a baby, then (mostly) quit around September 2010.
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post Wed 30th March 2011, 2:05am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 29th March 2011, 6:19pm) *

Mike Lifeguard trying to enforce a personally-decided Meta ban on me by breaking rules on various other Wikimedia projects was pretty funny. When it became clear that his action was a pointless personal vendetta, he cried a little like a baby, then (mostly) quit around September 2010.


Mike.lifeguard is on my list of stewards to be discussed. I was amazed when he deleted some user page content at Wikiversity. A helpful edit by Mike. I opposed him when he was a candidate for Custodian at Wikiversity. The end.

I need to look at how the Wikibooks community finally got rid of him.

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post Wed 30th March 2011, 3:05am
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QUOTE(JWSchmidt @ Tue 29th March 2011, 10:05pm) *

Mike.lifeguard is on my list of stewards to be discussed. I was amazed when he deleted some user page content at Wikiversity. A helpful edit by Mike. I opposed him when he was a candidate for Custodian at Wikiversity. The end.

I need to look at how the Wikibooks community finally got rid of him.

-John Schmidt


You're joking, right, John?

Mike.lifeguard posted his retirement from Wikibooks on September 9, 2010, about 4.26 hours after I was unblocked there.

He would later sputter the next day with his wet, cry-baby eyes that my status had no bearing on his decision to leave. Sure, Mike. We believe you, buddy.
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post Wed 30th March 2011, 3:53am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 29th March 2011, 8:05pm) *

He would later sputter the next day


Thanks for the link. I was told the day that he resigned, but I've never really been in the loop at Wikibooks. I had half an eye on Wikibooks for about a month (Aug-Sept) and saw "QuiteUnusual" dismiss one of Moulton's arguments as "Wikilawyering at its worst" and he said he was willing to leave the block in place. I'm still not sure how the tide was changed.

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post Wed 30th March 2011, 11:27am
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I had half an eye on Wikibooks for about a month (Aug-Sept) and saw "QuiteUnusual" dismiss one of Moulton's arguments as "Wikilawyering at its worst"

I assume that this is an expression of praise for QuiteUnusual. It is undoubtedly well deserved; he's a very fine admin; no doubt many here would say he's better than any WMF site deserves.
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post Wed 30th March 2011, 12:49pm
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I assume that this is an expression of praise for QuiteUnusual. It is undoubtedly well deserved; he's a very fine admin; no doubt many here would say he's better than any WMF site deserves.


He's doing a bang-up job on one area of my casual expertise -- WWII aircraft. I mean, look at that glorious content, all ready to go to be printed in a Wikijunior pamphlet or booklet. If there's any money left, that is.
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QUOTE(JWSchmidt @ Tue 29th March 2011, 9:05pm) *
I need to look at how the Wikibooks community finally got rid of him.

The delinking of the account from the global one to create the possibility of an unblock, allowance of talk page access for self-defense, and respect for community consensus in the two unblock attempts could have come as a shock if nobody had chosen to be confrontational before.

There were only two bureaucrats/checkusers at the time and there was a pre-retirement resignation of CU rights to, as some have suggested, have them removed from the other bureaucrat as a form of retaliation. But someone had to stand up for the principle of the matter. Similar situations likely occurred at other wikis.
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post Thu 31st March 2011, 6:56pm
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I need to look at how the Wikibooks community finally got rid of him.

The delinking of the account from the global one to create the possibility of an unblock, allowance of talk page access for self-defense, and respect for community consensus in the two unblock attempts could have come as a shock if nobody had chosen to be confrontational before.

There were only two bureaucrats/checkusers at the time and there was a pre-retirement resignation of CU rights to, as some have suggested, have them removed from the other bureaucrat as a form of retaliation. But someone had to stand up for the principle of the matter. Similar situations likely occurred at other wikis.


It was probably also shocking to Mike.lifeguard that the content I then published on Wikibooks was far more awesome than any of the crap he ever did there. That would also make a grown man cry and pout the way he did.
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post Thu 31st March 2011, 8:34pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 30th March 2011, 1:49pm) *

He's doing a bang-up job on one area of my casual expertise -- WWII aircraft. I mean, [url=http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=World_War_II/Aircraft_of_WWII&diff=prev&oldid=2033057]look at that glorious content

Yep, he has a great sense of humor, doesn't he? laugh.gif And he sure knows his editors.

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It was probably also shocking to Mike.lifeguard that the content I then published on Wikibooks was far more awesome than any of the crap he ever did there. That would also make a grown man cry and pout the way he did.

And he really appreciates the modesty and humility of some of his editors.
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QUOTE(Gruntled @ Wed 30th March 2011, 12:27pm) *

QUOTE(JWSchmidt @ Wed 30th March 2011, 4:53am) *

I had half an eye on Wikibooks for about a month (Aug-Sept) and saw "QuiteUnusual" dismiss one of Moulton's arguments as "Wikilawyering at its worst"

I assume that this is an expression of praise for QuiteUnusual. It is undoubtedly well deserved; he's a very fine admin; no doubt many here would say he's better than any WMF site deserves.

And just to prove that I'm not alone in my opinion of QuiteUnusual, his RfB is currently running at 13/0/0 [wb]Wikibooks:Requests for permissions[/wb].

Hmmm ... why don't [wb]Wikibooks tags[/wb] work?

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...delinking of the account


Can anyone provide an account of how Pathoschild became involved?
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Can anyone provide an account of how Pathoschild became involved?

The global account log shows that it was an effort to allow individual wikis to decide to block/unblock Thekohser. A compromise between nothing and a full-blown account lock. But the lock was put back in place, "per discussion".
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post Sun 3rd April 2011, 5:30pm
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But the lock was put back in place, "per discussion".


And, if I recall, when Mike.lifeguard was asked about that "discussion" (with whom? when? where? on whose authority?), the questions were met with either silence or cry-baby tears (I can't remember which, maybe both).
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It's not often you see someone who calls himself 'lifeguard' holding someone's head underwater.
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post Mon 4th April 2011, 8:35am
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the lock was put back in place, "per discussion".


"after discussing with drini" <-- Did any of these discussions take place in a public forum? I thought steward actions were supposed to be transparent.
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post Mon 4th April 2011, 12:13pm
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"Per discussion" is wikispeek for "for a reason we don't want to talk about". I'd actually be fine with that, if they would just stop lying about it.
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QUOTE(JWSchmidt @ Mon 4th April 2011, 1:35am) *

QUOTE(Adrignola @ Sun 3rd April 2011, 8:59am) *

the lock was put back in place, "per discussion".


"after discussing with drini" <-- Did any of these discussions take place in a public forum? I thought steward actions were supposed to be transparent.

Once again, it amazes me that you would be "surprised" by Mike.lifeguard pulling shit.
He's done it so many times, no one can count them up anymore.

Go ask Abd, or Moulton, what kind of abuse Mike's tried on WB or WV.

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And just to prove that I'm not alone in my opinion of QuiteUnusual, his RfB is currently running at 13/0/0.

Update: he passed at 16/0/0. Given how few editors there are on WB, that's pretty impressive, especially as one editor failed to vote.

The thing about QuiteUnusual is that he's passionate about his cause, and will go to great trouble, out on a limb if necessary, to help anyone else who supports his cause, even if they don't reciprocate. I think there's a moral for all of us there.
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Go ask Abd, or Moulton, what kind of abuse Mike's tried on WB or WV.

I suspect that QuiteUnusual won't stand idly by if that sort if thing recurs.

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