JzG now wants to delete massive ArbComm evidence Options

[Abd]

JzG files MfD on all Abd user pages

These include documents submitted to ArbComm in Arbitration hearings, and reviewed by arbitrators, in at least one case the page was prepared at the request of an arbitrator. It includes studies of blacklisting practice, and includes a page listing poets whose articles on Wikipedia could be improved with a link to lyrikline.org, because the poet has a page there (this was an old unfinished project). It includes essays such as the Rule 0 essay.

It includes pages that other users have worked on. Some of it is simple junk, it includes my Sandbox.

The cabal does this all the time. They don't like history. History is never favorable to them. The more of it they can erase, the better.

JzG has done this before, he managed to get the evidence page submitted to ArbComm, in a request he'd filed , deleted as being an "attack page." (ArbComm declined that request, and that page might have been a piece of the reason.) In that case, I simply went ahead and filed RfC/JzG 3, having kept the evidence which I then re-used.

The pages used in the RfAr cases don't necessarily show up in What links here, because much of RfAr/Abd-William M. Connolley was "courtesy blanked," but the idea is that anyone who wants to read the case can look at it in history. Some of the pages in the list, at least the Response to Verbal, was also courtesy blanked. Verbal attempted, many times, to get that page deleted, to prevent any kind of neutral description of the content, and revert warred over it, so that it was protected. This is what JzG is referring to when he talks about me undoing changes.

It's his usual lies. But he often gets away with it.

This post has been edited by Abd: Sat 4th June 2011, 3:17am

[EricBarbour]

It's his usual lies. But he often gets away with it.

Yes. And you should know by now that you can't win this argument. He's got backup--a bunch of flakes and lunatics, perhaps, but available to help him. How many long-time admins do you have, backing you up?

[Abd]

It's his usual lies. But he often gets away with it.

Yes. And you should know by now that you can't win this argument. He's got backup--a bunch of flakes and lunatics, perhaps, but available to help him. How many long-time admins do you have, backing you up?

None. The ones that would have, at one time, have almost all retired, given up, turned to something more fruitful. The kind of position I represent will be at most, in casual society, about one-third, and it can only function through deliberative process.

What I'm looking at now is my own obsession. JzG acting up simply brought it all up. I'd given up on Wikipedia, concluding that it was way too far gone and that I'd gone too long with some idea that small changes might eventually produce a larger change. That idea became increasingly untenable, to the point that a month ago, I went outlaw, outlaw, that is, within the insane Wikipedia Wikiverse.

It's a world where liars are supported, neutrality is an illusion, merely a form of text that some follow and some don't, and only appearance counts, not substance. It's a world where truth, even totally verifiable, documentable, demonstrable truth, doesn't matter.

Verifiability not truth makes some sense, because we confuse points of view with truth, but when there is no process for verification, but only the mere possibility of it, when actual verification is improbable, the core project of human knowledge has broken down.

Bottom line, I got really, really pissed, at the evil of it all.

I saved my files, that was a no-brainer, though, in fact, those files are only useful for what?

For working on a project that is dead.

From all that work, I gained a poem, from one of the lyrikline.org poets. (One of the files is about the lyrikline.org blacklisting, a case study in the Utter Stupidity of the wikipedia system.)

We will not sleep.

Post it all here in the Annex. We've got the bits! Yeah, I know its not the same as "on-wiki", but you're indef'd -- get used to it.

Thanks. Some stuff might come here, or elsewhere, but why? Why should I bother?

Good money after bad.