QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sat 4th June 2011, 12:35am)
QUOTE(Abd @ Fri 3rd June 2011, 8:13pm)
It's his usual lies. But he often gets away with it.
Yes. And you should know by now that you can't win this argument. He's got backup--a bunch of flakes and lunatics, perhaps, but available to help him. How many long-time admins do you
have, backing you up?
None. The ones that would have, at one time, have almost all retired, given up, turned to something more fruitful. The kind of position I represent will be at most, in casual society, about one-third, and it can only function through deliberative process.
What I'm looking at now is my own obsession. JzG acting up simply brought it all up. I'd given up on Wikipedia, concluding that it was way too far gone and that I'd gone too long with some idea that small changes might eventually produce a larger change. That idea became increasingly untenable, to the point that a month ago, I went outlaw, outlaw, that is, within the insane Wikipedia Wikiverse.
It's a world where liars are supported, neutrality is an illusion, merely a form of text that some follow and some don't, and only appearance counts, not substance. It's a world where truth, even totally verifiable, documentable, demonstrable truth, doesn't matter.
Verifiability not truth makes some sense, because we confuse points of view with truth, but when there is no process for verification, but only the mere possibility of it, when actual verification is improbable, the core project of human knowledge has broken down.
Bottom line, I got really, really pissed, at the evil of it all.
I saved my files, that was a no-brainer, though, in fact, those files are only useful for what?
For working on a project that is dead.
From all that work, I gained a poem, from one of the lyrikline.org poets. (One of the files is about the lyrikline.org blacklisting, a case study in the Utter Stupidity of the wikipedia system.)We will not sleep.
QUOTE(gomi @ Sat 4th June 2011, 1:40am)
Post it all here in the Annex. We've got the bits! Yeah, I know its not the same as "on-wiki", but you're indef'd -- get used to it.
Thanks. Some stuff might come here, or elsewhere, but why? Why should I bother?
Good money after bad.