Geogre's Daily Kos Diary, Administration: Lashes (L)earned from my Wikipedia Years Options

[The Joy]

Administration: Lashes (L)earned from my Wikipedia Years

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/13/9...-Years?via=user

Some interesting points there. I'm glad to see Geogre (T-C-L-K-R-D) is still kicking.

Edit: Could a mod change "Dairy" to "Diary?"

[Ottava]

Anyone else wondering why Sue Gardner (connected to the Daily Kos) would allow for a disgrace admin that used a sock puppet to help him harass other people and game the consensus system at Wikipedia for over two years to write about admin related matters?

[Newyorkbrad]

Anyone else wondering why Sue Gardner (connected to the Daily Kos) would allow for a disgrace admin that used a sock puppet to help him harass other people and game the consensus system at Wikipedia for over two years to write about admin related matters?

This is a grossly exaggerated, unfair, and misleading description of Geogre's behavior.

[Ottava]

Anyone else wondering why Sue Gardner (connected to the Daily Kos) would allow for a disgrace admin that used a sock puppet to help him harass other people and game the consensus system at Wikipedia for over two years to write about admin related matters?

This is a grossly exaggerated, unfair, and misleading description of Geogre's behavior.

http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/stalker/?...e=4&namespace=5

109 Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Durova/Proposed decision 2/2 [1, 2]
110 Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/IRC/Proposed decision 2/2 [1, 2]
115 Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 March 5 2/2 [1, 2]
116 Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Elizabeth Needham 2/2 [1, 2]
117 Wikipedia:Featured article review/1755 Lisbon earthquake/archive1 2/2 [1, 2]
118 Wikipedia:Featured article review/Restoration literature/archive1 2/2 [1, 2]
119 Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:wikipedia-en-admins (3rd nomination) 2/2 [1, 2]
120 Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 August 12 2/2 [1, 2]
121 Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities 2/2 [1, 2]
122 Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Danny 2 2/2 [1, 2]
123 Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Risker 2/2 [1, 2]
124 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Durova/Workshop 2/2 [1, 2]
125 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern European disputes/Workshop 2/2 [1, 2]
126 Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Giano II 2/2 [1, 2]

Article edits duplicated can be explained as coincidence or vandalism. These, however, are discussion based and show Utgard Loki in many discussions acting as a different person from Geogre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...sputed_behavior

One of many places where evidence that the Geogre/Utgard Loki dual discussing crossed the line.


He also used the two accounts to tag team John Carter, a highly respected admin, in addition to using the two accounts to try and have me banned multiple times, have pages of mine deleted, etc.


Is this appropriate behavior for an admin? Are you speaking here as an Arbitrator who had substantial evidence of Geogre's socking, tag teaming, following after people and insulting them simultaneously on two names, etc?

[Newyorkbrad]

Anyone else wondering why Sue Gardner (connected to the Daily Kos) would allow for a disgrace admin that used a sock puppet to help him harass other people and game the consensus system at Wikipedia for over two years to write about admin related matters?

This is a grossly exaggerated, unfair, and misleading description of Geogre's behavior.

http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/stalker/?...e=4&namespace=5

109 Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Durova/Proposed decision 2/2 [1, 2]
110 Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/IRC/Proposed decision 2/2 [1, 2]
115 Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 March 5 2/2 [1, 2]
116 Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Elizabeth Needham 2/2 [1, 2]
117 Wikipedia:Featured article review/1755 Lisbon earthquake/archive1 2/2 [1, 2]
118 Wikipedia:Featured article review/Restoration literature/archive1 2/2 [1, 2]
119 Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:wikipedia-en-admins (3rd nomination) 2/2 [1, 2]
120 Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 August 12 2/2 [1, 2]
121 Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities 2/2 [1, 2]
122 Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Danny 2 2/2 [1, 2]
123 Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Risker 2/2 [1, 2]
124 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Durova/Workshop 2/2 [1, 2]
125 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern European disputes/Workshop 2/2 [1, 2]
126 Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Giano II 2/2 [1, 2]

Article edits duplicated can be explained as coincidence or vandalism. These, however, are discussion based and show Utgard Loki in many discussions acting as a different person from Geogre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...sputed_behavior

One of many places where evidence that the Geogre/Utgard Loki dual discussing crossed the line.

He also used the two accounts to tag team John Carter, a highly respected admin, in addition to using the two accounts to try and have me banned multiple times, have pages of mine deleted, etc.

Is this appropriate behavior for an admin? Are you speaking here as an Arbitrator who had substantial evidence of Geogre's socking, tag teaming, following after people and insulting them simultaneously on two names, etc?

I adhere to my views as posted on-wiki two years ago when the motions concerning Geogre were voted on. Going into them again at length here is unlikely to be productive in any context, and especially not in a discussion with you.

[Ottava]

I adhere to my views as posted on-wiki two years ago when the motions concerning Geogre were voted on.

Yes, you made it clear: sock puppetry is acceptable when you like the person. Just like you were involved in getting Unitanode to move to his 8th sock account when knowing that 3 of the accounts were used at the same time, in the same discussion, and that he "restarted" 4 times before right as multiple people were putting him up for ban/block discussions.

How is this acting like a responsible Arbitrator by encouraging bad behavior by people who use sock puppets to destroy consensus and personally attack people in really nasty ways?



By the way, I like how you completely disagree with Coren who made it clear that it was abuse and that it is nonsense to claim otherwise.

Anyone who sees this statement from Durova can easily see that you are full of it if you dare try to say Geogre acted appropriately. He was one of the worst of the worst, and the bad thing is that you probably helped him get a new name like you did Unitanode.


Thatcher, you seemed to think that Geogre clearly abused multiple accounts. Do you think NYBrad is speaking properly on the matter?


By the way: The original ArbCom motion states: "Geogre is indefinitely prohibited from maintaining any other alternate account without disclosing it publicly. Geogre is strongly admonished for sockpuppeting and his actions related thereto."

Such a statement makes it clear that you cannot claim Geogre didn't abuse sock puppets to harass people.

This post has been edited by Ottava: Mon 12th September 2011, 1:24am

[Vigilant]

I adhere to my views as posted on-wiki two years ago when the motions concerning Geogre were voted on.

Yes, you made it clear: sock puppetry is acceptable when you like the person. Just like you were involved in getting Unitanode to move to his 8th sock account when knowing that 3 of the accounts were used at the same time, in the same discussion, and that he "restarted" 4 times before right as multiple people were putting him up for ban/block discussions.

How is this acting like a responsible Arbitrator by encouraging bad behavior by people who use sock puppets to destroy consensus and personally attack people in really nasty ways?



By the way, I like how you completely disagree with Coren who made it clear that it was abuse and that it is nonsense to claim otherwise.

Anyone who sees this statement from Durova can easily see that you are full of it if you dare try to say Geogre acted appropriately. He was one of the worst of the worst, and the bad thing is that you probably helped him get a new name like you did Unitanode.


Thatcher, you seemed to think that Geogre clearly abused multiple accounts. Do you think NYBrad is speaking properly on the matter?


By the way: The original ArbCom motion states: "Geogre is indefinitely prohibited from maintaining any other alternate account without disclosing it publicly. Geogre is strongly admonished for sockpuppeting and his actions related thereto."

Such a statement makes it clear that you cannot claim Geogre didn't abuse sock puppets to harass people.

And yet, strangely enough, you are incontrovertibly worse than Geogre by the standards of Wikipedia. You are permabanned on multiple projects. You are reviled even here at WR. You are the permanent pile of poo on the wikipedia lawn.

Congratulations!

[mbz1]

It is funny how socks or alternative accounts of the same user refer to each other in the third person.

For example here George editing as Utgard Loki says:

"He has attacked Bishonen, Geogre, and every other user" I wonder, if under "every other user" he meant his other socks

and here Gwen Gale (T-C-L-K-R-D) deletes the only surviving talk's page history of Wyss (T-C-L-K-R-D) stating that
"User request to delete page in own userspace:" and "user thought this had been done years ago"
except Wyss (T-C-L-K-R-D) redirects to Gwen Gale (T-C-L-K-R-D) , and the user who requested the deletion is the same user who thought this had been done years ago, and the same user, who made this deletion.
OK, maybe she made a mistake, except she does it again and again, and so on.


Why not to say instead "I deleted the only surviving records of my talk page history because
I requested them to be deleted."

This post has been edited by mbz1: Mon 12th September 2011, 5:35am