Poor Malleus, he wants to run and hide, Don't you just feel bad for him? Options

[MaliceAforethought]

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From: Iridescent Wikipedia <REDACTED>
Date: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 16:52
Subject: [arbcom-l] Fw: Requesting advice
To: arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org


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For info. While I think a clean start in this case would be a good
thing if it worked, I think it has the potential to lead to a really
nasty situation.both when Sandstein & co spot the new account and a
block-unblock-reblock wheelwar starts, and when Pedro and pals start
accusing us of strangling Malleus and hiding his corpse in the
foundations of Jimbo's luxury mansion because he Got Too Close To The
Truth.and am doing my best to point out the many pitfalls he's headed
for if he goes down this route. (If I flat out tell him not to, he'll
ignore me; if I persuade him why it won't work, that's another
matter.) His style is so distinctive, I don't see how a clean start
could possibly work; while Frank is right that my sock guesses are
often wildly off, I didn't need a checkuser to be sure of that one the
moment I spotted it.

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From: Eric <REDACTED>
To: Iridescent Wikipedia <REDACTED>
Sent: Tue, 7 June, 2011 20:23:26
Subject: Re: Requesting advice

I've got no objections to you forwarding this on to ArbCom, but as you
found the other account so easily I have to assume that others would
as well, so probably not much point. I don't want to waste any more of
your or anyone else's time over this, as I've got absolutely no
motivation to invent a new personality to go with a new account.

On 07/06/11 19:58, Iridescent Wikipedia wrote:

That wording's confusing; what's intended is "...should not return to
old topic areas previously identified as problematic". I don't think
there are any areas in which it would apply to you - it's aimed at
people like the Ireland POV-pushers returning in new identities to
remove "British Isles" again once their original accounts have been
told to stop. There are a lot of people who disagree with you over
tone, but (AFAIK) no problem topics for you as such.

If you're happy for me to forward this (the Arbcom list doesn't leak,
so you don't need to worry on that score) I can get a quick yea-or-nay
from The Cabal as to whether anyone foresees any problems. While
Arbcom isn't a governing body etc etc etc, if none of the 18 have any
issue it's vanishingly unlikely a complaint from anyone else would be
taken seriously.

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From: Eric <REDACTED>
To: Iridescent Wikipedia <REDACTED>
Sent: Tue, 7 June, 2011 19:27:10
Subject: Re: Requesting advice

"Clean-start accounts should not return to old topic areas ..." is an
unrealistically broad-brush exclusion as far as I'm concerned, so
that's not an option. So it looks like it's goodbye to William, and if
I want to edit wikipedia I'm going to have to stick with my
basket-case account.

Thanks anyway

On 07/06/11 16:43, Iridescent Wikipedia wrote:

If you mean "William Leadford", that's fairly easy to detect (I
spotted it without using any advanced permissions of any kind), so
don't expect it to stay secret for long if/when the sudden
disappearance of "Malleus" prompts all three of the WR crowd, Giano
and Bishonen's clique, and the Defenders Of The Wiki to start
sleuthing. As Geogre, Mattisse and RH&E have kindly demonstrated, it's
far harder than you'd think to operate a "clean" account without being
identified; since the person behind the account has the same writing
style and the same interests, to evade detection you're having
effectively to create a new personality, not just a new name. If
you're going to pretend that hard to be someone you're not, it's
unlikely to be worth the effort.

If you're going to go ahead and kill the Malleus account to make a
fresh start, I'd strongly recommend identifying the new account to
Arbcom. Plenty of people would love to catch you "evading scrutiny",
and if you've identified the new account to Arbcom then it greatly
reduces the chance of any unpleasantness down the line. To fall under
the "clean start" protection, you need not only to abandon the old
account altogether, but not return to any old fights. This is harder
to do than it sounds, and is why Mattisse's repeated clean starts
invariably eventually wound up blocked.

I imagine you're already aware of it, but before you do anything
drastic have a read of the official policy on the matter, and decide
whether you can actually work within those restrictions:

If you decide to make a fresh start, you can discontinue the old
account(s) and create a new one that becomes the only account you use.
Clean-start accounts should not return to old topic areas, editing
patterns, or behavior previously identified as problematic, and should
be careful not to do anything that looks like an attempt to evade
scrutiny. A clean start is permitted only if there are no active bans,
blocks, or sanctions in place against the old account. Discontinuing
the old account means it will not be used again; it should note on its
user page that it is inactive.for example, with the {{retired}} tag.to
prevent the switch being seen as an attempt to sock puppet. It is
strongly recommended that you inform the Arbitration Committee (in
strictest confidence if you wish) of the existence of previous
accounts before standing for adminship or functionary positions.
Failure to do so is likely to be considered deceptive.

________________________________
From: Eric <REDACTED>
To: Iridescent Wikipedia <REDACTED>
Sent: Mon, 6 June, 2011 23:25:33
Subject: Requesting advice

I apologise for adding once again to your email burden, but I'm
looking for a little bit of guidance.

I've long thought that the Malleus account is a hopeless basket case,
and it sometimes gets overwhelmed with copyedit requests, most of
which to be honest are on topics that I really couldn't give a
monkey's about. So to give me some quiet time, and a potential exit
strategy, I set up an alternate account well over a year ago now. The
two accounts never edit the same pages, and the alternate account
never edits on anything other than article pages or article talk
pages. You may remember my Nunez99 account that focused on Welsh towns
and villages? This one is rather similar, although not geography
related.

I won't compromise you by telling you what the account name is, but my
question is this; should I reveal this account to ArbCom or should I
keep shtum?

Eric



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[Theanima]

If you're happy for me to forward this (the Arbcom list doesn't leak,
so you don't need to worry on that score) I can get a quick yea-or-nay
from The Cabal as to whether anyone foresees any problems.

The list doesn't leak... well, until today that is!

Why would Malleus want a new account anyway? He can just ignore copyedit requests of articles he doesn't want to edit.

[SB_Johnny]

If you're happy for me to forward this (the Arbcom list doesn't leak,
so you don't need to worry on that score) I can get a quick yea-or-nay
from The Cabal as to whether anyone foresees any problems.

The list doesn't leak... well, until today that is!

[Craftyminion]

Heh.

[A Horse With No Name]

Why would Malleus want a new account anyway? He can just ignore copyedit requests of articles he doesn't want to edit.

Malley can do anything he wants...because he's awesome!

This post has been edited by A Horse With No Name: Thu 23rd June 2011, 2:33pm

[NuclearWarfare]

Malley can do anything he wants...because he's awesome!

He can keep rhythm with no metronome.

[Theanima]

Well it's pretty clear to me at least who has done this. Hopefully they'll give themselves up before someone does so for them.

[SB_Johnny]

Well it's pretty clear to me at least who has done this. Hopefully they'll give themselves up before someone does so for them.

Has the WP chattering class started their witch hunt yet?

[Coren]

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I would appreciate it if you would forward that entire email chain (headers and all) to me.

I realize that it's more likely that your objective is to put eggs on the face of the committee and/or Malleus; but if your intent was to sincerely raise the issue of the leak on the AbbCom mailing list, sending this will help me nail the slime who did this.

-- Coren / Marc

[A Horse With No Name]

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I would appreciate it if you would forward that entire email chain (headers and all) to me.

I realize that it's more likely that your objective is to put eggs on the face of the committee and/or Malleus; but if your intent was to sincerely raise the issue of the leak on the AbbCom mailing list, sending this will help me nail the slime who did this.

-- Coren / Marc

Hey, it is my favorite pornographer! How is life in the skin trade?

Say, monsieur, you looked pretty plump in that photo from the Wikimedia election. How much do you weigh?

Malley can do anything he wants...because he's awesome!

He can keep rhythm with no metronome.

Malley is the closest thing that Wikipedia has to 1960s-era Steve McQueen cool.

This post has been edited by A Horse With No Name: Thu 23rd June 2011, 4:52pm

[A Horse With No Name]

Malleus, please accept my most profound apology for this unforgivable breach of your expectation of privacy. It is vanishingly unlikely that this leak comes from someone else than a sitting arbitrator, and I want to assure you that I will do everything in my power to identify the slime who did this and crucify them. — Coren (talk) 16:34, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, kids, the Arbcom Casino is now open. Now which one of the sitting ducks arbitrators pulled a Bradley Manning?

Place your bets here!

P.S. I didn't realize that Coren was into S&M (check that last part of the quote). Are all French-Canadians so wacky?

This post has been edited by A Horse With No Name: Thu 23rd June 2011, 5:00pm

[Malleus]

Malleus, please accept my most profound apology for this unforgivable breach of your expectation of privacy. It is vanishingly unlikely that this leak comes from someone else than a sitting arbitrator, and I want to assure you that I will do everything in my power to identify the slime who did this and crucify them. — Coren (talk) 16:34, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, kids, the Arbcom Casino is now open. Now which one of the sitting ducks arbitrators pulled a Bradley Manning?

Place your bets here!

P.S. I didn't realize that Coren was into S&M (check that last part of the quote). Are all French-Canadians so wacky?

I had assumed that the subscribers to the mailing list included past arbitrators as well as sitting ones, so it's disappointing to see that may not be true. What is all this "trust of the community" bollocks anyway?

[A Horse With No Name]

I had assumed that the subscribers to the mailing list included past arbitrators as well as sitting ones, so it's disappointing to see that may not be true. What is all this "trust of the community" bollocks anyway?

Well, one of these characters is responsible:

Active arbitrators

1. Casliber
2. Cool Hand Luke
3. Coren
4. David Fuchs
5. Elen of the Roads
6. Iridescent
7. Jclemens
8. John Vandenberg
9. Kirill Lokshin
10. Mailer diablo
11. Newyorkbrad
12. PhilKnight
13. Risker
14. Roger Davies
15. Shell Kinney
16. SirFozzie
17. Xeno

Inactive arbitrators

1. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry

Someone should set up a poll and we can vote on this.

[Malleus]

You forgot Jimbo Wales.

[A Horse With No Name]

You forgot Jimbo Wales.

Well, the person who tipped Malley off on this leak used an Australian IP. That puts Doc Liber and JV on the hot seat. But the tip-off includes a slam at Iridescent, which could be a way for Iri to throw off attention from him.

This really looks like a job for Tiptoety -- we need a good faux-cop to solve the case.

[SB_Johnny]

---------- Forwarded message ----------

I would appreciate it if you would forward that entire email chain (headers and all) to me.

I realize that it's more likely that your objective is to put eggs on the face of the committee and/or Malleus; but if your intent was to sincerely raise the issue of the leak on the AbbCom mailing list, sending this will help me nail the slime who did this.

-- Coren / Marc

You realize that at the moment this person only has 4 posts on WR?

[Milton Roe]

I had assumed that the subscribers to the mailing list included past arbitrators as well as sitting ones, so it's disappointing to see that may not be true. What is all this "trust of the community" bollocks anyway?

Well, one of these characters is responsible:

Active arbitrators

1. Casliber
2. Cool Hand Luke
3. Coren
4. David Fuchs
5. Elen of the Roads
6. Iridescent
7. Jclemens
8. John Vandenberg
9. Kirill Lokshin
10. Mailer diablo
11. Newyorkbrad
12. PhilKnight
13. Risker
14. Roger Davies
15. Shell Kinney
16. SirFozzie
17. Xeno

Inactive arbitrators

1. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry

Someone should set up a poll and we can vote on this.

I say Risker



Who brings leaks with kisses for Horsey. Mwah! Mwah!

[carbuncle]

You forgot Jimbo Wales.

Well, the person who tipped Malley off on this leak used an Australian IP. That puts Doc Liber and JV on the hot seat. But the tip-off includes a slam at Iridescent, which could be a way for Iri to throw off attention from him.

This really looks like a job for Tiptoety -- we need a good faux-cop to solve the case.

I've been waiting for Tiptoety to return from his unexplained wikibreak for a while now. I suspect he ain't coming back. (And Chase Me hasn't edited from his account since February so it looks like he and Panyd may have finally kicked the WP habit. Good for them!)

[gomi]

[Modnote: at the request of a member, I have redacted the actual email addresses. They seemed pretty generic to me, but I opted to err on the side of caution for the moment. I took a copy of the unredacted post, so it can be restored if there is reason to do so.]

[thekohser]

If you're happy for me to forward this (the Arbcom list doesn't leak,
so you don't need to worry on that score) I can get a quick yea-or-nay
from The Cabal as to whether anyone foresees any problems.

The list doesn't leak... well, until today that is!

It's funny, I told Risker (via e-mail, Tuesday, June 21) that she really, really didn't want to support deletion of my User page on the English Wikipedia. She didn't listen to me. Now her precious private mailing list isn't so private any more, is it?

I wonder if she'll put two and two together?