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MaliceAforethought
post Thu 23rd June 2011, 8:34am
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So good to see governments spending their time going after "master" criminals. confused.gif
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QUOTE(MaliceAforethought @ Thu 23rd June 2011, 1:34am) *

So good to see governments spending their time going after "master" criminals. confused.gif


"The Lulz Security Hacking Group." confused.gif For anybody who has read ED, the name itself has some lulz.

The rest is so archetypical that it might have been written as satire by somebody on ED:

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The mother of the teenage computer geek accused over a series of hacking attacks revealed last night how he threatened to kill himself when she tried to confiscate his beloved computer.

Rita Cleary said her son Ryan had not set foot outside the family bungalow since Christmas and had his food left outside his bedroom door. He cut himself off from the outside world, leaving his room only to visit the bathroom.

But when Mrs Cleary attempted to cut the jobless 19-year-old’s internet access, he responded by saying he would slit his wrists.


I suppose there's a lulzworthy article in considering what happens when you go from living like THAT in your embryonic hideyhole being fed by your mother while you spend all your time jacked into the net, to being in a lock-up where you need to worry about getting your realworldass stretched by Joe Streetpunk, and your entire access to electronics consists of sometimes being able to make collect calls from the day room wall-phone, whilst Joe looks at the back of your neck.

If ED weren't such an essentially cruel site, all this would be more horrifying. As it is, I have to say that some of it should count as inpatient therapy for an addict. It's horrible but has to be done. And considering what ED would say about anybody else it happened to, all you can do is suggest that they write up an article about Ryan getting butthurt, then post it on Uncyclopedia, where it really belongs. wink.gif
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post Thu 23rd June 2011, 7:37pm
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The Cleary household is either rather clever at gaming the system, or is entirely screwed up, in my opinion. Before Ryan was a household word, his brother Mitchell and mother Rita were in court after police seized 39 cannabis plants and three large jars of cannabis. This happened last March. The attorney for Mitchell and Rita said that both of them "claimed incapacity benefit of £94 per fortnight and that they both suffered from agoraphobia, a fear of public or unfamiliar places." Mitchell smoked canabis to "ease the symptoms of epilepsy."

It worked then with Mitchell, but Mrs. Cleary might have trouble this time. Even if Ryan makes bail, I presume that he won't be allowed to go online as a condition of that bail. And if the UK authorities seem too lenient, there's always the possibility that the FBI will get pissed off and file for extradition of Ryan to the U.S. There appears to be evidence of Ryan's DDoSing and/or hacking that falls within U.S. jurisdiction.

You could also argue that even if Ryan needs psychiatric help, he sure as hell wasn't getting enough of it in his bedroom from his cat. He might be better off anyplace other than his bedroom, even prison. That's particularly true if the court makes sure that he has no Internet connection in his bedroom as a condition of bail or probation or whatever.

I think Mrs. Cleary had her chance already, and by now she is part of the problem.
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post Fri 24th June 2011, 4:59pm
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QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Thu 23rd June 2011, 12:37pm) *

The Cleary household is either rather clever at gaming the system, or is entirely screwed up, in my opinion. Before Ryan was a household word, his brother Mitchell and mother Rita were in court after police seized 39 cannabis plants and three large jars of cannabis. This happened last March. The attorney for Mitchell and Rita said that both of them "claimed incapacity benefit of £94 per fortnight and that they both suffered from agoraphobia, a fear of public or unfamiliar places." Mitchell smoked canabis to "ease the symptoms of epilepsy."

You could also argue that even if Ryan needs psychiatric help, he sure as hell wasn't getting enough of it in his bedroom from his cat. He might be better off anyplace other than his bedroom, even prison. That's particularly true if the court makes sure that he has no Internet connection in his bedroom as a condition of bail or probation or whatever.

I think Mrs. Cleary had her chance already, and by now she is part of the problem.

If you read between the lines, you might consider that Ryan has been after the pot store lately, as well. fear.gif

I mean, come now. Have none of you ever heard of people smoking so much pot that they just sit around at home all day playing with their toys, and never go out and do anything at all?

I've heard of it. hrmph.gif It's an EXTREMELY rare side effect of cannabis use, but it's been reported in the medical literature. Yes it has.
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post Sat 25th June 2011, 12:30am
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Fri 24th June 2011, 11:59am) *
I've heard of it. hrmph.gif It's an EXTREMELY rare side effect of cannabis use, but it's been reported in the medical literature. Yes it has.

Bummin'?

I guess I wouldn't be surprised to see an article about that in JAMA, but you'd think it would be enough just to listen to some old 60's albums. Or maybe stay overnight in a frat-house a couple of times...

Anyway, I can sort of see why people of this sort would want to target large companies like Sony or even some of the larger ISPs, but when you go after the government, especially if it's your own, innocent civilians have to pay for that. That's money that could go to much better purposes, even though it often goes towards worse purposes like it usually did during the previous decade. Besides, there are better ways to stick it to the man, aren't they? But I guess those all require you to leave your bedroom... Damn, life sure is complicated these days.
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post Thu 14th July 2011, 1:13am
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QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Wed 22nd June 2011, 10:10am) *

As far as ED.ch's survival goes, there are two issues right now. One is whether Ryan will be able to continue administering the ED.ch servers, and the other is whether the other sysadmin, someone named "garrett", has sufficient privileges on the servers, and sufficient access, and sufficient resources and motivation, to administer ED.ch in Ryan's absence.

Update: The details of what happened are unclear, but Garrett and Joepie91 had to abandon the server that was associated with Ryan Cleary. After a week of tinkering, things now seem relatively stable on a new box. For anyone who has copyright issues with content that is currently available on Encyclopedia Dramatica, the good news is that this new box is located in the U.S. It appears to be a dedicated server housed in a data center, and the box itself is owned by a web hosting provider that is obligated to operate under U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act provisions.

The Encyclopedia Dramatica watchdog site, josephevers.blogspot.com has identified this new provider and has just published information about how to file DMCA requests against specific content on Encyclopedia Dramatica.
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post Sat 16th July 2011, 11:41pm
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It seems this may have had some effect - the ED home (and I'd assume, catch-all) URL is now just a simple static HTML page, saying they need a new hosting provider (and, of course, "donations" for same), one that "is able to host our kind of content."

There's more info on the ED forums, if you're willing to risk loading pages from there - if you do, be sure to read the comments too, of course. It looks like the DMCA request came from Sherrod DiGrippo herself, who apparently still claims copyright on the name.
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post Sun 17th July 2011, 6:22am
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QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 16th July 2011, 7:41pm) *

It seems this may have had some effect - the ED home (and I'd assume, catch-all) URL is now just a simple static HTML page, saying they need a new hosting provider (and, of course, "donations" for same), one that "is able to host our kind of content."


Please let it be Wikia. Please let it be Wikia. Please let it be Wikia! laugh.gif
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post Sun 17th July 2011, 5:58pm
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QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 16th July 2011, 5:41pm) *

It looks like the DMCA request came from Sherrod DiGrippo herself, who apparently still claims copyright on the name.

Somey, it's "DeGrippo" not "DiGrippo". As long as Somey is naming names, Ms. DeGrippo's complaint ended up in the lap of Garrett E. Moore, who is 22 years old today. I haven't seen it, but I suspect that the complaint was fairly broad in scope, and not just about the domain name. Mr. Moore is the main man behind ED, now that Ryan Cleary is grounded due to strict bail conditions. He says he will have ED back up within a few days.

Mr. Moore is from Zanesville, Ohio and has also lived in Florida. Now he lives near Lansing, Michigan with his fiancee, Karen Rose Shinaver.

Here is Mr. Moore with a cute bow in his hair.

At the moment Mr. Moore is laughing at the possibility that Ms. DeGrippo has only seven days left to sue him. It probably won't happen, because Mr. Moore doesn't have any money. But if the two ended up in court, it would be interesting to hear Mr. Moore's attorney argue that the new ED is not doing anything different than what Ms. DeGrippo was doing since the original ED started in late 2004. True enough, but while this is a valid ethical argument, it is no doubt irrelevant in any potential DeGrippo vs. Moore civil case.

Mr. Moore has Anonymous and Anonops connections. However, he's not a trigger-happy DDoSer with his own botnet like Ryan was. Remember Ryan? That was only a month ago. How time flies when you're a basement-dweller having fun!
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post Sun 17th July 2011, 8:28pm
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The ED forums were always full of stupid, but this post-GV version is epically stupid.

I suspect their "community" is getting more hostile than ever. If this is the cream of Anonymous, toss em' all in jail, please!
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post Thu 28th July 2011, 4:15pm
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Encyclopedia Dramatica's seething satire is back

This is an article in a new online publication, and it was written by someone who went to journalism school. That means she used first and last names of people when this information was available. How quaint and refreshing!

I don't like that old December 2005 Jimbo quote about me that she repeated needlessly, back when Jimbo was talking out of his rear end and telling the press that Seignethaler brought it on himself, but I guess I have to take these things in stride.
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post Thu 28th July 2011, 5:11pm
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Blerg, and it's given them more incentive to go and bug the talk page again.

I'm currently in an RSN discussion asking whether the Daily Dot is reliable. It probably is, however, once they make a freaking staff page, and I don't have a problem with that. It'll be nice to have a reliable site that actually covers internet topics.

However, Eordogh's article has spawned sections like this, which I can't even take seriously. In fact, I think i'm going to go and say specifically that.

But, yeah. It's all very tiring. I don't have a problem with expanding the coverage in the article on ED.ch if we have the sources for it, but lay off on minimizing Oh Internet. It gets really annoying after a while.


Edit: On a separate not, I seem to have pissed off Meepsheep, even though I don't remember ever interacting with him. But my ED.ch article is actually slightly insulting now, which is an improvement. Anything to make it less sad and pathetic like it was before.

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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Thu 28th July 2011, 10:11am) *
I seem to have pissed off Meepsheep, even though I don't remember ever interacting with him. But my ED.ch article is actually slightly insulting now, which is an improvement. Anything to make it less sad and pathetic like it was before.

Yes, I will say, the current version is good (meaning not completely moronic).

Wasting your time worrying, though.
I can see how this will end.....ED will disappear, and several online douchebags will go to jail.
And yet another perfectly good Wikipedia article will be obviated.

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post Fri 29th July 2011, 2:13pm
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Thu 28th July 2011, 6:28pm) *
And yet another perfectly good Wikipedia article will be obviated.


I'm currently working on rewriting that article. Do you have any suggestions or concerns? Silver_seren has already offered assistance.

Brandt, would you feel comfortable being mentioned in Wikipedia's Encyclopedia Dramatica article? Are there any inaccuracies or misrepresentations within the Daily Dot article that you're concerned about? You didn't have any say in how your old Wikipedia article was written, so I believe that it would be best to allow you to have a say in this before being included in that article. There is currently a discussion on whether the Daily Dot article is reliable. What's your feelings on its reliability?

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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Fri 29th July 2011, 3:13pm) *

I'm currently working on rewriting that article ... Silver_seren has already offered assistance.

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You didn't have any say in how your old Wikipedia article was written, so I believe that it would be best to allow you to have a say in this before being included in that article. There is currently a discussion on whether the Daily Dot article is reliable. What's your feelings on its reliability?

Mike

You do realise that WP is a Wiki that anyone can edit. Whatever you put is subject to ruthless and arbitrary editing. And there's no guarantee you'd be able to revert, if a few editors decide to WP:OWN the article. Daniel Brandt's view on the reliability of the Daily Dot may not have much effect on anything!
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Fri 29th July 2011, 2:13pm) *

Brandt, would you feel comfortable being mentioned in Wikipedia's Encyclopedia Dramatica article? Are there any inaccuracies or misrepresentations within the Daily Dot article that you're concerned about? You didn't have any say in how your old Wikipedia article was written, so I believe that it would be best to allow you to have a say in this before being included in that article. There is currently a discussion on whether the Daily Dot article is reliable. What's your feelings on its reliability?


I was going to ask whether adding information about Brandt was a due weight issue on the talk page, but asking him here probably is better.

@Detective: Between Michael and I, I think we'll be able to keep the information neutral. The community may hate him and that makes them often forget they're writing an encyclopedia, but it shouldn't be too difficult to tell when someone is trying to skew the information.
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QUOTE(Silver seren @ Fri 29th July 2011, 12:18pm) *

QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Fri 29th July 2011, 2:13pm) *

Brandt, would you feel comfortable being mentioned in Wikipedia's Encyclopedia Dramatica article? Are there any inaccuracies or misrepresentations within the Daily Dot article that you're concerned about? You didn't have any say in how your old Wikipedia article was written, so I believe that it would be best to allow you to have a say in this before being included in that article. There is currently a discussion on whether the Daily Dot article is reliable. What's your feelings on its reliability?


I was going to ask whether adding information about Brandt was a due weight issue on the talk page, but asking him here probably is better.

@Detective: Between Michael and I, I think we'll be able to keep the information neutral. The community may hate him and that makes them often forget they're writing an encyclopedia, but it shouldn't be too difficult to tell when someone is trying to skew the information.

Note how respectfully Brandt is being treated here. "An armed society is a polite society" (Heinlein).

Note to Wales and Friends: Civility is not the same as respect. As the military demonstrates, the two are sometimes barely nodding acquaintences. And it isn't more civility that either the internet or Wikipedia needs. Rather, it's some attention to matters of respect. Respect requires memory and reputation, and an anonymous username system is handicapped in letting people acumulate reputations, right from the get-go. So there's a place to start.

Civility (ala Robert's Rules of Order) is what we do in order to keep from wasting time insulting each other, when we'd be better off debating facts. Sometimes, as in congress and the courts, civility has to be enforced as a rule. Respect, however, cannot be granted as a social right, and it cannot be enforced nor dispensed, any more than love. The best one can do is construct a social system that allows it to be freely given by grace, or earned, or both. This requires memory in the system, and a way for reputation to grow. Wikipedia is presently a system which allows respect to only a few individuals outside itself, and then only due to the threat of nuclear net reprisal. You might want to rethink the wisdom of that. Especially since you haven't seen the worst of what continuing this game under such rules can do to you.
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post Fri 29th July 2011, 7:44pm
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Fri 29th July 2011, 8:13am) *

Brandt, would you feel comfortable being mentioned in Wikipedia's Encyclopedia Dramatica article?

The DailyDot article is at least as reliable as most Wikipedia articles — which is to say, I don't want my name in the article. It was clear that with the DailyDot article, my name was going in regardless of my wishes, because Garrett and Zaiger were on my case and she had already heard their side of the story. At the time, my ED.ch bio was featured in summary form on the ED.ch home page, complete with a picture of a very mean-looking old man that purported to be a picture of me. But it wasn't a picture of me. It was Zaiger's impression of how he thought I looked. I don't know whose picture it was.

(The reporter logged into the ED.ch chatroom and said she was a reporter, and asked for some quotes about the reappearance of ED. That's how it started. I didn't know she was writing something until I got her email, and it wasn't until later that I noticed the chatroom log.)

That's why I accepted her email invitation to respond to their charges. Otherwise, I would have preferred to be left out of that article too.

I must say, giving someone the right to reply is a credit the the DailyDot reporter. That's not something one sees very often when it comes to Wikipedia.
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I find it funny that the article doesn't discuss the recent host/server change because Degrippo's DMCA notice got them to be dropped.

Of course, that would prove a lot of the negative things people are saying about ED.ch, so they can't discuss the truth of the matter in such an article.
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Brandt, thank you for sharing your feelings. Unfortunately, I can't prevent you from being mentioned in the Wikipedia article, but I can prevent misinformation from becoming a part of that article. What I really need to know is whether any of the claims presented in the Daily Dot article are inaccurate. Do you have anything to say about the alleged harassment of Garrett's fiancée? How do you feel about the claims that you contributed to the end of the original ED? Did you offer advice on how to file DMCA to ED's opponents? Did you have anything to do with the suspension of ED's PayPal account? Your insight will help me separate fact from suspicion. I don't want too much weight to be placed on suspicion.
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