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Requests for comment/Cirt

Who wants to bet on whether this will go anywhere or not?

[Rhindle]

Willbeback reminds me of a badguy pro wrestler who hits his opponent with a foreign object while the ref isn't looking and when the ref turns around he has his hands up saying "I didn't do anything" even though a whole crowd of people know what's going on.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Willbeback reminds me of a badguy pro wrestler who hits his opponent with a foreign object while the ref isn't looking and when the ref turns around he has his hands up saying "I didn't do anything" even though a whole crowd of people know what's going on.

His basic argument is that since no editor is ever unjustly banned, the grave threat to the project is the banned editors -- they're out there somewhere, plotting evil. And since it is known that there are banned editors at the Review, and the Review is against the POV pushers, then all loyal Wikipedians must rally in defense of the POV pushers, such as Cirt or Will, because they are the last bastion of support for the ideals of Wikidom. Don't discuss the POV pushing, no matter how often Cla68 brings it up. Discuss only the need to close ranks against the BADSITES. Think of the children.

[Rhindle]

Willbeback reminds me of a badguy pro wrestler who hits his opponent with a foreign object while the ref isn't looking and when the ref turns around he has his hands up saying "I didn't do anything" even though a whole crowd of people know what's going on.

His basic argument is that since no editor is ever unjustly banned, the grave threat to the project is the banned editors -- they're out there somewhere, plotting evil. And since it is known that there are banned editors at the Review, and the Review is against the POV pushers, then all loyal Wikipedians must rally in defense of the POV pushers, such as Cirt or Will, because they are the last bastion of support for the ideals of Wikidom. Don't discuss the POV pushing, no matter how often Cla68 brings it up. Discuss only the need to close ranks against the BADSITES. Think of the children.

Sounds like McCarthy, but instead of commies it's banned users and/or WR posters.

Edit: Uh-oh, I posted on a Cirt thread so I guess I'm on his enemies list now.

This post has been edited by Rhindle: Sun 17th July 2011, 8:16pm

[The Joy]

Willbeback reminds me of a badguy pro wrestler who hits his opponent with a foreign object while the ref isn't looking and when the ref turns around he has his hands up saying "I didn't do anything" even though a whole crowd of people know what's going on.

His basic argument is that since no editor is ever unjustly banned, the grave threat to the project is the banned editors -- they're out there somewhere, plotting evil. And since it is known that there are banned editors at the Review, and the Review is against the POV pushers, then all loyal Wikipedians must rally in defense of the POV pushers, such as Cirt or Will, because they are the last bastion of support for the ideals of Wikidom. Don't discuss the POV pushing, no matter how often Cla68 brings it up. Discuss only the need to close ranks against the BADSITES. Think of the children.

Sounds like McCarthy, but instead of commies it's banned users and/or WR posters.

Edit: Uh-oh, I posted on a Cirt thread so I guess I'm on his enemies list now.

Indeed. The only time I may have run across one of Cirt's accounts was when I was researching Scientology for a college project and Wikipedia had loads of anti-Scientology documents. Then Justanother (T-C-L-K-R-D) /Justallofthem (T-C-L-K-R-D) went around trying to sanitize or delete them, IIRC. Sadly, Wikipedia was one of the few online resources at the time that I could find that tried to discuss Scientology. The CoS was very good at keeping anti-CoS sites down and the CoS's own sites didn't tell me anything about basic CoS belief systems or even an "Idiot's Guide to Scientology." Well, that and I was a young college student and I really had no time to research the topic thoroughly, so there probably was more out there, but I didn't look too deeply.

I really noticed Cirt when he (?) started making forays into Featured Articles, a dangerous territory fraught with danger, and clashed with Geogre and friends. I haven't followed his recent actions lately, but he does suffer from a very common problem on Wikipedia. He doesn't understand the culture. You can say "Hey! I'm following the rules, so you can't be mad at me or sanction me!" and yet make people pissed off at you. Wikipedia was founded as a lax environment with few hard-line rules and many still have that spirit. If you go to Giano and say "Your article does not meet current FA standards and I will send it to FAR if it does not improve," you are not going to be his friend or gain his cooperation. Instead, you should go to him politely and say "Hello, Giano. I was reading your article and I was very impressed by it. I found some magnificent resources that could supplement it. Would you care to work together and see if we can make the article even more spectacular? I would be honored by your participation in this endeavor." You can't charge in like a rhino demanding things. You have to treat people like human beings and not machines or cogs. Consider human feelings and try to bond with them. Reach out and be their brother or sister! You know, wax the chicken... or something.

People like Betacommand, TreasuryTag, AdjustShift, Cirt, Roux, and others act like hard-line, apocalyptic, mechanical, stiff bureaucrats and that really goes against the basics of human interaction. Social capital on online communities is even more important than following arbitrary rules. You need to consider a communities norms and mores and understand the spirit of the community and its goals. I don't really know how to explain this to Cirt and others like him and have them take it to heart. Or maybe I just did?