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Herschelkrustofsky
post Wed 3rd August 2011, 2:38pm
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The aptly named "Manipulation of BLPs" case is now open. Since Cirt has his own case, I predict that the star of the show will be Will Beback. The issue is described as follows:
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The purpose of this case is to examine partisan feuding/point-of-view pushing in BLPs (that is, the use of articles to enhance or diminish the reputation of individuals prominent in a particular area of conflict); to examine what practical steps can be taken to reduce polarised edit-warring and partisan feuding in BLPs; to examine the implications of search engine optimisation for Wikipedia; and to examine the relevant conduct guidelines.


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It's the blimp, Frank
post Mon 29th August 2011, 5:06pm
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It looks like this case really will lead nowhere. Now they have proposed decisions which say basically that editors should all follow Wikipedia policies and if there is a problem, they should use the Wikipedia dispute resolution process. That's quite remarkable -- right back to square one.

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post Tue 30th August 2011, 3:57pm
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QUOTE(It's the blimp, Frank @ Mon 29th August 2011, 5:06pm) *

It looks like this case really will lead nowhere. Now they have proposed decisions which say basically that editors should all follow Wikipedia policies and if there is a problem, they should use the Wikipedia dispute resolution process. That's quite remarkable -- right back to square one.

I take it you read Brad's comments about this, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb..._by_Arbitrators

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post Fri 2nd September 2011, 11:23pm
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Here, Newyorkbrad expresses concern about me starting an RfC draft on Will Beback. I'll explain my rationale below:

1. Will Beback, by his statement here still just doesn't get it about BLPs. In beginning research for the RfC, I see that Will has what appears to be a years-long, ongoing approach like this towards BLPs.

2. After a recent content RfC in one of the LaRouche articles returned an almost unanimous response to remove a bunch of pejorative material from the article that Will had been trying to keep in, he keeps trying to find a way to keep it all somehow. So, his war on LaRouche is ongoing.

3. After asking all those confrontational questions in the Cirt RfC about editors' religious beliefs, he has kept at it with other editors. This battleground, win-at-all cost mentality towards imposing the content he wants to impose just isn't compatible with what is supposed to be Wikipedia's collaborative model.

4. His attempts on the talk and workshop pages of this ArbCom case and the Jayen/Cirt case to manipulate the scope and results and spin the decisions to fit his editing agenda show that he has no intention of stopping what he is doing.

5. Of all the Wikipedia admins who were notorious for treating Wikipedia as their personal property back in 2005 and 2006, banning editors at will (WordBomb, for example), and using off-wiki mailing lists to coordinate their actions (such as my RfA and the Cyberstalking/Durova fiasco), Will Beback is the only who doesn't appear to have altered his behavior one iota. Most, if not all, of the others, SlimVirgin, Jayjg, JzG, etc have amended their editing and administrative behavior in response to demands from the community. Will Beback appears to be the lone holdout.

6. Judging by the response here, the community is tired of Will's battleground, wikilawyering, win-at-all cost approach to participating in Wikipedia. He hasn't listened and responded to previous attempts at dispute resolution. Perhaps this RfC will do it. I should have it ready and posted in a month or two.

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post Sat 3rd September 2011, 12:16am
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Fri 2nd September 2011, 11:23pm) *

Here, Newyorkbrad expresses concern about me starting an RfC draft on Will Beback. I'll explain my rationale below:


What was is that prevented you posting this on wikipedia?

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QUOTE(Mathsci @ Fri 2nd September 2011, 5:16pm) *

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Fri 2nd September 2011, 11:23pm) *

Here, Newyorkbrad expresses concern about me starting an RfC draft on Will Beback. I'll explain my rationale below:
What was is that prevented you posting this on wikipedia?

You, possibly.

All this is so funny. McWhiney whines, and the Mighty Arbcom plays pocket pool. It still amazes me that
anyone would be foolish enough to hire Brad for his "legal acumen", because it bloody well isn't on
display anywhere on Wikipedia.

I'd devote a whole chapter to McWhiney, but he just isn't important enough. He's a successful minor
bully in a society of bullies. He only deserves 2 paragraphs.

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Herschelkrustofsky   Manipulation of BLPs   Wed 3rd August 2011, 2:38pm
SpiderAndWeb   The aptly named "Manipulation of BLPs" ...   Wed 3rd August 2011, 3:20pm
-DS-   I wish I had started my latest "good hand...   Wed 3rd August 2011, 4:20pm
It's the blimp, Frank   The aptly named "Manipulation of BLPs" ...   Wed 3rd August 2011, 4:59pm
No one of consequence   What about SlimVirgin? I think she has been ly...   Wed 3rd August 2011, 5:03pm
It's the blimp, Frank   It sounds like they are not looking to punish any...   Wed 3rd August 2011, 5:33pm
Detective   Rather, expect a new set of behavioral guideline...   Wed 3rd August 2011, 6:59pm
It's the blimp, Frank   [quote name='It's the blimp, Frank' post='282...   Thu 4th August 2011, 4:24pm
No one of consequence   There is a big debate about this now on this page...   Thu 4th August 2011, 5:02pm
Herschelkrustofsky   [quote name='It's the blimp, Frank' post='282...   Thu 4th August 2011, 8:56pm
No one of consequence   It sounds like they are not looking to punish an...   Wed 3rd August 2011, 7:52pm
Herschelkrustofsky   Obviously there is nothing unclear about BLP poli...   Wed 3rd August 2011, 8:28pm
No one of consequence   Admins represent a privileged caste. Not to me....   Wed 3rd August 2011, 8:33pm
lilburne   [quote name='It's the blimp, Frank' post='282...   Wed 3rd August 2011, 8:48pm
Herschelkrustofsky   A simple rule that the only RS with respect to co...   Wed 3rd August 2011, 8:59pm
lilburne   A simple rule that the only RS with respect to c...   Wed 3rd August 2011, 9:40pm
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radek   <snip> For example, opinions about living p...   Fri 5th August 2011, 2:15am
It's the blimp, Frank   Will has his undies in a bunch and is agitating fo...   Fri 5th August 2011, 2:00am
It's the blimp, Frank   Will is clearly hoping to shape the way the case i...   Fri 5th August 2011, 2:56am
No one of consequence   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wi...   Fri 5th August 2011, 3:07am
EricBarbour   [quote name='It's the blimp, Frank' post='282...   Fri 5th August 2011, 3:17am
NuclearWarfare   [quote name='It's the blimp, Frank' post='28...   Fri 5th August 2011, 3:46am
The Adversary   Wait, who is McWhiney?Look it up on the Hive-Mind ...   Fri 5th August 2011, 3:56am
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The Adversary   [quote name='The Adversary' post='282351' date='T...   Fri 5th August 2011, 5:33am
Milton Roe   [quote name='EricBarbour' post='282345' date='Fri...   Fri 5th August 2011, 3:58am
Jagärdu   So here's the rub: I predict that Arbcom will...   Fri 5th August 2011, 1:50pm
Vigilant   This is shaping up as a standard arbcom matter wit...   Fri 5th August 2011, 3:41pm
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Cla68   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wi...   Fri 5th August 2011, 11:03am
Herschelkrustofsky   Ach, so. But it was EricBarbour's pun, not min...   Fri 5th August 2011, 6:08am
Milton Roe   Ach, so. But it was EricBarbour's pun, not mi...   Fri 5th August 2011, 8:35am
No one of consequence   Ach, so. But it was EricBarbour's pun, not m...   Fri 5th August 2011, 11:13am
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