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| communicat |
Thu 4th August 2011, 10:12am
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Censorship, according to Jimbo, is "antithetical to the philosophy of Wikipedia". But while he's preaching to the Chinese about freedom of information, he somehow manages to turn a blind eye to what's going on in his own backyard. Anyone who doubts that censorship is actually the norm in certain important wikipedia topic areas, should have a look at these off-wiki articles. And no, you won't find any links to them on wikipedia; they've been blacklisted. Here are the links:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/...hip-462070.html http://www.serendipity.li/wot/sft_wikipedia.htm http://www.serendipity.li/hr/bacque_on_wikipedia.htm http://hnn.us/articles/125437.html http://www.ahealedplanet.net/wikimass.htm This post has been edited by communicat: Thu 4th August 2011, 10:22am |
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| Jagärdu |
Thu 4th August 2011, 11:54am
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Censorship, according to Jimbo, is "antithetical to the philosophy of Wikipedia". But while he's preaching to the Chinese about freedom of information, he somehow manages to turn a blind eye to what's going on in his own backyard. Anyone who doubts that censorship is actually the norm in certain important wikipedia topic areas, should have a look at these off-wiki articles. And no, you won't find any links to them on wikipedia; they've been blacklisted. Here are the links: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/...hip-462070.html http://www.serendipity.li/wot/sft_wikipedia.htm http://www.serendipity.li/hr/bacque_on_wikipedia.htm http://hnn.us/articles/125437.html http://www.ahealedplanet.net/wikimass.htm What a misleading title and opening description of the topic. What some of these articles describe is a certain form of POV pushing, not "censorship." For instance big corporations editing out unflattering stuff as part of their PR operations. Yes that sucks and it shouldn't happen but is it really "censorhip"? Then you link to 911 conspiracies and fringe books. Seriously? Keeping 911 conspiracy theories out of the encyclopedia isn't something I'd bandy about to criticize them with. |
| communicat |
Thu 4th August 2011, 5:53pm
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![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Contributors Posts: 270 Joined: Sun 31st Jul 2011, 11:31am From: Southern Africa Member No.: 61,155 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
Censorship, according to Jimbo, is "antithetical to the philosophy of Wikipedia". But while he's preaching to the Chinese about freedom of information, he somehow manages to turn a blind eye to what's going on in his own backyard. Anyone who doubts that censorship is actually the norm in certain important wikipedia topic areas, should have a look at these off-wiki articles. And no, you won't find any links to them on wikipedia; they've been blacklisted. Here are the links: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/...hip-462070.html http://www.serendipity.li/wot/sft_wikipedia.htm http://www.serendipity.li/hr/bacque_on_wikipedia.htm http://hnn.us/articles/125437.html http://www.ahealedplanet.net/wikimass.htm What a misleading title and opening description of the topic. What some of these articles describe is a certain form of POV pushing, not "censorship." For instance big corporations editing out unflattering stuff as part of their PR operations. Yes that sucks and it shouldn't happen but is it really "censorhip"? Then you link to 911 conspiracies and fringe books. Seriously? Keeping 911 conspiracy theories out of the encyclopedia isn't something I'd bandy about to criticize them with. Watergate started out as a "conspiracy theory", as Nixon described it. And look where that got Nixon. Same applies to Reagan and the Iran-Contra affair. And look where that got Reagan. I suppose if wikipedia was around at those times, it would have seen "fringe" theories all over the place, as it does now, and so do you. |
| radek |
Sun 7th August 2011, 4:06am
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QUOTE Same applies to Reagan and the Iran-Contra affair. And look where that got Reagan. I suppose if wikipedia was around at those times, it would have seen "fringe" theories all over the place, as it does now, and so do you. Huh? Reagan got away with IC and two years later people elected his boy, Bush Sr. So it didn't really got him anywhere. A bit of embarrassment maybe but probably less than Clinton with Lewinsky. Yes, sometimes in the real world people get away with stuff they shouldn't get away with. Stalin died a natural death and all. |
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Ottava I found it odd that the Independent claims that th... Thu 4th August 2011, 5:56pm
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timbo God damn, what a bunch of weak links...
2007?
Tw... Sun 7th August 2011, 12:13am
EricBarbour
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2007?
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communicat
God damn, what a bunch of weak links...
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T... Sun 7th August 2011, 2:22pm
Detective
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communicat
Nothing has changed since 2007. Wikipedia is not... Mon 8th August 2011, 5:48pm
radek
[quote name='Detective' post='282656' date='Mon 8... Mon 8th August 2011, 7:54pm
communicat
[quote name='communicat' post='282670' date='Mon ... Mon 8th August 2011, 8:47pm
Zoloft
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Bielle
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communicat If you'd really like to see some longstanding ... Sun 7th August 2011, 4:27pm
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radek
It's also probably one of wikipedia's lo... Mon 8th August 2011, 3:43am
communicat
[quote name='EricBarbour' post='282592' date='Sun... Mon 8th August 2011, 11:02am
radek
Well, he wasn't banned for it, but he was co... Mon 8th August 2011, 4:18pm
communicat
Well, he wasn't banned for it, but he was c... Mon 8th August 2011, 5:33pm
Milton Roe
If Radek (who hails from Poland) is really so con... Mon 8th August 2011, 5:40pm
communicat
[quote name='communicat' post='282666' date='Mon ... Mon 8th August 2011, 7:23pm
communicat There are numerous, readily available Russian aca... Mon 8th August 2011, 10:39am
communicat Edwin Black was blocked for making legal threats. ... Mon 8th August 2011, 10:50am
Sxeptomaniac Reading between the lines, communicat's posts ... Mon 8th August 2011, 8:21pm
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Jagärdu
Reading between the lines, communicat's post... Mon 8th August 2011, 10:16pm
Sxeptomaniac
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radek
>>basically Mr. communicat is of the opinio... Tue 9th August 2011, 5:48am

communicat
>>basically Mr. communicat is of the opinio... Tue 9th August 2011, 11:36am

Jagärdu
>>basically Mr. communicat is of the opini... Tue 9th August 2011, 11:53am
communicat
[quote name='communicat' post='282696' date='Mon ... Tue 9th August 2011, 11:43am
communicat I'll start a new topic specifically to edify J... Wed 10th August 2011, 2:32pm
Jagärdu
I'll start a new topic specifically to edify ... Wed 10th August 2011, 4:40pm
KD Tries Again Just a few points.
The distinction between main... Wed 10th August 2011, 8:19pm
communicat
Just a few points.
The distinction between mai... Wed 10th August 2011, 9:10pm
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communicat
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