The Wikipedia Review: A forum for discussion and criticism of Wikipedia
Wikipedia Review Op-Ed Pages

Welcome, Guest! ( Log In | Register )

> Help

This forum is for discussing specific Wikipedia editors, editing patterns, and general efforts by those editors to influence or direct content in ways that might not be in keeping with Wikipedia policy. Please source your claims and provide links where appropriate. For a glossary of terms frequently used when discussing Wikipedia and related projects, please refer to Wikipedia:Glossary.

> Oh god, here goes Ottava again, Troll or psychopath, you be the judge
Vigilant
post Sat 27th August 2011, 6:28am
Post #1


Senior Member
****

Group: Contributors
Posts: 307
Joined: Fri 24th Oct 2008, 2:04am
Member No.: 8,684

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Image_...rendum/en/Other

He just can't seem to quit being a giant, throbbing {expletive deleted}.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
Replies
Somey
post Sat 27th August 2011, 8:56am
Post #2


Can't actually moderate
*********

Group: Moderators
Posts: 11,814
Joined: Sat 17th Jun 2006, 7:47pm
From: Dreamland
Member No.: 275



QUOTE(Vigilant @ Sat 27th August 2011, 1:28am) *
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Image_...rendum/en/Other

He just can't seem to quit being a giant, throbbing {expletive deleted}.

Perhaps, but somebody has to argue that position or it would just be an echo chamber in there, right? Assuming you're against filtering, wouldn't you rather the person be him, given his general unpopularity?

Also, are you referring to the whole page, or the argument with 178.201.100.215 in particular? It looks like you're referring to the whole page.

I actually think Ottava makes some fairly sensible points there. Just because you'll never get him to admit there's a slippery slope involved, doesn't mean he's completely wrong about everything else, does it? Unless it's his persistence alone that's bothersome... but y'know, it's Wikipedia, so you'll have that.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Milton Roe
post Sat 27th August 2011, 4:00pm
Post #3


Known alias of J. Random Troll
*********

Group: Regulars
Posts: 10,209
Joined: Thu 28th Feb 2008, 1:03am
Member No.: 5,156

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 27th August 2011, 1:56am) *

I actually think Ottava makes some fairly sensible points there. Just because you'll never get him to admit there's a slippery slope involved, doesn't mean he's completely wrong about everything else, does it? Unless it's his persistence alone that's bothersome... but y'know, it's Wikipedia, so you'll have that.

The fundamentalist mindset tends to be characterized by binary Aristotelian thinking. No fuzzy sets. They very often only see black and white and do not recognize shades of grey, and thus (by definition) do not see slippery "slopes." Just cliffs and discontinuities between correct and incorrect, right and wrong, good and bad. Take a rather obvious process like formation of a human baby from a couple of cells and they can tell you EXACTLY when a complete human being appears--POOF--out of the tissue. No brain? Not a problem for a fundie. A Platonic ideal don't need no stinkin' brain.

Children think like this, too, right up to around age ten. In many ways fundies are like narcissists-- they would be normal children, if they WERE children. They have this quality of never growing up to mature "form-ops" (formal operational) thinking. These qualities (selfish, simple, never unreserved in judgement) are endearing and often humorous in animals and kids. In human adults, not so much.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Herschelkrustofsky
post Sun 28th August 2011, 12:49am
Post #4


Member
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 5,199
Joined: Tue 18th Apr 2006, 12:05pm
From: Kalifornia
Member No.: 130

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sat 27th August 2011, 9:00am) *

The fundamentalist mindset tends to be characterized by binary Aristotelian thinking. No fuzzy sets. They very often only see black and white and do not recognize shades of grey, and thus (by definition) do not see slippery "slopes." Just cliffs and discontinuities between correct and incorrect, right and wrong, good and bad. Take a rather obvious process like formation of a human baby from a couple of cells and they can tell you EXACTLY when a complete human being appears--POOF--out of the tissue. No brain? Not a problem for a fundie. A Platonic ideal don't need no stinkin' brain.
Plato has nothing to do with it. Unless you rely on Aristotelians for characterizations of Plato's ideas.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

Posts in this topic
Vigilant   Oh god, here goes Ottava again   Sat 27th August 2011, 6:28am
SB_Johnny   [url=http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Image_fi...   Sat 27th August 2011, 9:19am
Milton Roe   Ottava's unique gift is to take an otherwise ...   Sat 27th August 2011, 4:04pm
Kelly Martin   The fundamentalist mindset tends to be characteriz...   Sat 27th August 2011, 10:37pm
communicat   I actually think Ottava makes some fairly sensib...   Sat 12th November 2011, 5:35pm
Abd   [quote name='Milton Roe' post='283806' date='Sat 2...   Sat 12th November 2011, 7:01pm
Vigilant   I am the great and powerful Ottava! You cannot...   Mon 29th August 2011, 3:37am
radek   I am the great and powerful Ottava! You canno...   Mon 29th August 2011, 8:27am
thekohser   Hmm. Take a look at the admin who originally bloc...   Mon 29th August 2011, 12:16pm
A Horse With No Name   Are you talking about this babe? :grin: :gr...   Mon 29th August 2011, 12:52pm
tarantino   [quote name='radek' post='283853' date='Mon 29th ...   Mon 7th November 2011, 10:09pm
SB_Johnny   ... Can everyone who isn't a 16-year-old boy p...   Mon 7th November 2011, 11:36pm
Abd   [quote name='tarantino' post='288010' date='Mon 7t...   Sat 12th November 2011, 1:30pm
Abd   [quote name='radek' post='283853' date='Mon 29th A...   Sat 12th November 2011, 1:56pm
A Horse With No Name   Her blogger profile pic is also quite lovely. Who ...   Sat 12th November 2011, 6:57pm
Abd   Her blogger profile pic is also quite lovely. Who ...   Sat 12th November 2011, 7:08pm
A Horse With No Name   Enjoy the ride! It will all be over soon enoug...   Mon 14th November 2011, 5:01pm
Abd   Enjoy the ride! It will all be over soon enoug...   Mon 14th November 2011, 6:08pm
lilburne   Hmm. Take a look at the admin who originally bloc...   Mon 29th August 2011, 7:42pm
Vigilant   Ottava is a strange bird. http://commons.wikimedi...   Tue 30th August 2011, 6:06pm
SB_Johnny   Ottava is a strange bird. http://commons.wikimed...   Wed 31st August 2011, 8:37pm
Abd   I can be grateful I'm blocked on meta at the m...   Sun 6th November 2011, 8:31pm
Abd   Hint: this is not about Poetlister. it's about...   Sun 6th November 2011, 9:16pm
EricBarbour   tl;dr (sorry Jeff)   Sun 6th November 2011, 9:46pm
SB_Johnny   tl;dr (sorry Jeff) Me too.   Sun 6th November 2011, 9:51pm
Abd   tl;dr (sorry Jeff) Me too.You fully deserve that ...   Sun 6th November 2011, 11:58pm


Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

-   Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 24th 5 13, 8:49am