What's China?, Wikipedia redifining a nation Options

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:China

Wikipedians are struggling with finding a "neutral" / "objective" answer to this one.

I also gave my standard "WP:Canvassing is a stupid policy" speech:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=447912187

[thekohser]

Michael, you have left far too much work for the reader to do. Your link will no longer be relevant in a month when the Talk page is archived. Try to do a better job explaining to us what's going on, and then we'll take the time to bother looking into it.

[Michaeldsuarez]

Michael, you have left far too much work for the reader to do. Your link will no longer be relevant in a month when the Talk page is archived. Try to do a better job explaining to us what's going on, and then we'll take the time to bother looking into it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=447932935

Here's a permalink of Talk page at the time of this post. The entire talk page as of now is about moving the "People's Republic of China" article to simply "China". China being a nation, and the PRC being one of two states claiming to be representative of the whole nation (the mainland + Taiwan).

I also complained about Quigley's pro-PRC meddling in the past:

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showt...ear#entry260567

I'm the only one who noticed Quigley's activities:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2011_Xilinhot_incident

Quigley prefers the official PRC's position to anything else.

Quigley denies having strong feelings for China:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=396852685

Yet he also seems very protective of China, or maybe I'm jumping to conclusions again.

This post has been edited by Michaeldsuarez: Thu 1st September 2011, 11:46pm

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...move&page=China

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...public_of_China

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=451228584

Not only did they went forward with the moves, the final decision came from a committee of three sysops. None of those three sysop used the word "consensus".

This post has been edited by Michaeldsuarez: Tue 20th September 2011, 4:16pm

[Tarc]

Michael, you have left far too much work for the reader to do. Your link will no longer be relevant in a month when the Talk page is archived. Try to do a better job explaining to us what's going on, and then we'll take the time to bother looking into it.

See also: churlish.

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=447932935

Here's a permalink of Talk page at the time of this post. The entire talk page as of now is about moving the "People's Republic of China" article to simply "China". China being a nation, and the PRC being one of two states claiming to be representative of the whole nation (the mainland + Taiwan).

I also complained about Quigley's pro-PRC meddling in the past:

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showt...ear#entry260567

I'm the only one who noticed Quigley's activities:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2011_Xilinhot_incident

Quigley prefers the official PRC's position to anything else.

Quigley denies having strong feelings for China:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=396852685

Yet he also seems very protective of China, or maybe I'm jumping to conclusions again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=462904835

I've just noticed that pro-Chinese-unity editor Quigley has recently invoked his Right to Vanish. Perhaps he wants new account and a clean slate so no one would recognize him for his pro-PRC stance. He probably went into stealth mode.

This post has been edited by Michaeldsuarez: Fri 2nd December 2011, 4:55pm

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=462904835

I've just noticed that pro-Chinese-unity editor Quigley has recently invoked his Right to Vanish. Perhaps he wants new account and a clean slate so no one would recognize him for his pro-PRC stance. He probably went into stealth mode.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=465333410

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...UtTCKz34ou7YDQX

Quigley un-vanished himself and is back as "Shrigley". This isn't the first time Shrigley has his account renamed. He was formerly known as "Splittist":

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ser%3ASplittist

Shrigley was also formerly known as "WilliamWater":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contr...ns/WilliamWater

I wonder what caused him to vanish in the first place?

This post has been edited by Michaeldsuarez: Mon 12th December 2011, 4:32pm

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=481782734:

Many of the users were definitely selected because they expressed opposition in one or more community discussions on whether to move pages from "People's Republic of China" to "China". Some of the relevant polls are here.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_February_13#Category:Populated_places_in_the_People.27s_Republic_of_China][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_%28Chinese%29/Archive_13#NC-TW_straw_poll][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_March_23#Companies_of_China] This has been orchestrated by a user who has been following these discussions for a long time; possibly the same user who has been operating under a rotating Hong Kong IP, sabotaging and filibustering every related community discussion and trying to force a 'no consensus' result. If the botmaster is not [[User:Instantnood]], then his behavior is close enough to be indistinguishable from it. [[User:Shrigley|Shrigley]] ([[User talk:Shrigley|talk]]) 02:04, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Shrigley believes that there's an covert pro-ROC conspiracy.

Shrigley mentioned Instantnood at least once before:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=440792477

This post has been edited by Michaeldsuarez: Wed 14th March 2012, 3:17am

[Selina]

When I uploaded a Flag of Taiwan years ago, an admin from china with very little on their userpage but a very large amount of edits deleted it...

This post has been edited by Selina: Wed 14th March 2012, 3:19am

[Michaeldsuarez]

When I uploaded a Flag of Taiwan years ago, an admin from china with very little on their userpage but a very large amount of edits deleted it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...g_of_Taiwan.svg

Are you sure that the image was "Flag_of_Taiwan.svg"? The deletion appears to be perfectly justified, and two other sysops reaffirmed Jiang's decision.

[Emperor]

One link away is Taiwanese aborigines, another fine example of quality writing:

Taiwan's Austronesian speakers were formerly distributed over much of the island's rugged central mountain range and were concentrated in villages along the alluvial plains. As of 2009, their total population is around 499,500 (approximately 2% of Taiwan's population). The bulk of contemporary Taiwanese aborigines live in the mountains and cities.

Ok so these guys originated in the mountains and the plains, and now live in the mountains and the cities. Got it.

[Fusion]

When I uploaded a Flag of Taiwan years ago, an admin from china with very little on their userpage but a very large amount of edits deleted it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...g_of_Taiwan.svg

Are you sure that the image was "Flag_of_Taiwan.svg"? The deletion appears to be perfectly justified, and two other sysops reaffirmed Jiang's decision.

So were you User:Bbmshao? That user appears to be a China specialist as apart from that all his edits are to "National Chiao Tung University".

[Selina]

When I uploaded a Flag of Taiwan years ago, an admin from china with very little on their userpage but a very large amount of edits deleted it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...g_of_Taiwan.svg

Are you sure that the image was "Flag_of_Taiwan.svg"? The deletion appears to be perfectly justified, and two other sysops reaffirmed Jiang's decision.

Because "sysops" always know best?

The point was that the gaming on commons affects Wikipedia too, and it's easier for people to influence the names' of such etc there due to there being less activity, less oversight, and a much smaller pool of admins - it's the same thing as on Meta, it's baiscally how Wikipedia was, 7 years ago or something - there's been a lot of discussion about that lately: Wikipedia:Ignore_Meta (T-H-L-K-D)

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Republic_of_China

Now they want to redefine "Republic of China" to not mainly refer to the ROC. Haven't these people belittled the ROC enough already?

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=447932935

Here's a permalink of Talk page at the time of this post. The entire talk page as of now is about moving the "People's Republic of China" article to simply "China". China being a nation, and the PRC being one of two states claiming to be representative of the whole nation (the mainland + Taiwan).

I also complained about Quigley's pro-PRC meddling in the past:

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showt...ear#entry260567

I'm the only one who noticed Quigley's activities:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2011_Xilinhot_incident

Quigley prefers the official PRC's position to anything else.

Quigley denies having strong feelings for China:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=396852685

Yet he also seems very protective of China, or maybe I'm jumping to conclusions again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=514257725:

[...] Xinjiang, which as we all know, is an integral part of the motherland since ancient times. [[User:Shrigley|Shrigley]] ([[User talk:Shrigley|talk]]) 03:04, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Hey Shrigley, your pro-PRC-ness is showing. He also removed "humans rights" from the introduction of the "Rebiya Kadeer" article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=507350260

He made the "Rebiya Kadeer" article more negative. He rewrote the article in order to make Rebiya Kadeer appears as if she and her family were evil criminals. Shrigley is punishing "Rebiya Kadeer" for being an anti-PRC separatist (for being against the "integrity" of Shrigley's "motherland").

This post has been edited by Michaeldsuarez: Sat 29th September 2012, 4:32pm

[Ottava]

Michael, are you surprised? Just look at Google helping to push the Chinese government agenda. China has a lot of money and a lot of influence. No matter how much the internet groups pretend to be for liberal causes and helping people, they tend to be the first to bow down to totalitarian governments when they get some kind of benefit.

[Fusion]

It is clear that "China" as a country means the Communist one; it is recognised as such by everyone except the Government on Taiwan. The fact that the Communists are rather nasty people is irrelevant. (Taiwan is not quite Utopia either.) It is obviously to violate WP:UNDUE to give the claims of Taiwan anything like as much prominence as those of the Communists.

[Retrospect]

It is clear that "China" as a country means the Communist one; it is recognised as such by everyone except the Government on Taiwan. The fact that the Communists are rather nasty people is irrelevant. (Taiwan is not quite Utopia either.) It is obviously to violate WP:UNDUE to give the claims of Taiwan anything like as much prominence as those of the Communists.

Where's bloody Kublai Khan when we need him? He knew how to deal with the Chinese!

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://advocacy.globalvoicesonline.org/201...s-at-wikipedia/

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=490530902

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=490551907

This post has been edited by Michaeldsuarez: Sun 28th October 2012, 2:14am