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| mydog |
Sun 11th December 2011, 8:49am
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(Temporarily) See the RFC on his talk page. I think it's bad precedent for Wikipedia to get into politics. I think it makes a mockery of NPOV (not that there current articles don't already, but...). I dunno. It would sure get news, which would be interesting.
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| The Joy |
Sun 11th December 2011, 9:37am
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QUOTE(mydog @ Sun 11th December 2011, 3:49am)  (Temporarily) See the RFC on his talk page. I think it's bad precedent for Wikipedia to get into politics. I think it makes a mockery of NPOV (not that there current articles don't already, but...). I dunno. It would sure get news, which would be interesting. QUOTE(Jimbo Wales) A few months ago, the Italian Wikipedia community made a decision to blank all of Italian Wikipedia for a short period in order to protest a law which would infringe on their editorial independence. The Italian Parliament backed down immediately. As Wikipedians may or may not be aware, a much worse law going under the misleading title of "Stop Online Piracy Act' is working its way through Congress on a bit of a fast track. I may be attending a meeting at the White House on Monday (pending confirmation on a couple of fronts) along with executives from many other top Internet firms, and I thought this would be a good time to take a quick reading of the community feeling on this issue. My own view is that a community strike was very powerful and successful in Italy and could be even more powerful in this case. There are obviously many questions about whether the strike should be geotargetted (US-only), etc. (One possible view is that because the law would seriously impact the functioning of Wikipedia for everyone, a global strike of at least the English Wikipedia would put the maximum pressure on the US government.) At the same time, it's of course a very very big deal to do something like this, it is unprecedented for English Wikipedia. So, this is a straw poll. Please !vote either 'support' or 'oppose' with a reason, and try to keep wide-ranging discussion to the section below the poll. To be clear, this is NOT a vote on whether or not to have a strike. This is merely a straw poll to indicate overall interest. If this poll is firmly 'opposed' then I'll know that now. But even if this poll is firmly in 'support' we'd obviously go through a much longer process to get some kind of consensus around parameters, triggers, and timing. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=465086832Jimbo is really stretching it by saying that the Italian Wikipedia's strike had any effect on the Italian law being struck down. I thought that pressure from journalists and free press groups was the main reason for its downfall? Jimbo really believes that a Wikipedia strike can bend Congress to its will? Sure, it would gain a lot of press, but I do not believe Wikipedia has the power he thinks it has. Jimbo comes off very egotistical and arrogant with this claim. There was a world before Wikipedia, and there still will be a world after Wikipedia. Good gravy, he even admits that the "straw poll is NOT a vote" and is just to see if anyone is interested. In other words, if he thinks the strike should happen, it IS going to happen. Am I reading that right?!? What exactly is he and other Wikipedians concerned about with SOPA?
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| TungstenCarbide |
Sun 11th December 2011, 9:42am
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Sun 11th December 2011, 9:37am)  Jimbo really believes that a Wikipedia strike can bend Congress to its will? Sure, it would gain a lot of press, but I do not believe Wikipedia has the power he thinks it has. Jimbo comes off very egotistical and arrogant with this claim. There was a world before Wikipedia, and there still will be a world after Wikipedia. Good gravy, he even admits that the "straw poll is NOT a vote" and is just to see if anyone is interested. In other words, if he thinks the strike should happen, it IS going to happen. Am I reading that right?!?
What exactly is he and other Wikipedians concerned about with SOPA? If there is a strike, Jimbo is sure to be interviewed by every major news outlet, his speaking career will be rejuvenated and chicks will throw themselves at his feet. It's a win-win-win. This post has been edited by TungstenCarbide: Sun 11th December 2011, 9:43am
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| SB_Johnny |
Sun 11th December 2011, 2:02pm
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QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Sun 11th December 2011, 4:42am)  QUOTE(The Joy @ Sun 11th December 2011, 9:37am)  Jimbo really believes that a Wikipedia strike can bend Congress to its will? Sure, it would gain a lot of press, but I do not believe Wikipedia has the power he thinks it has. Jimbo comes off very egotistical and arrogant with this claim. There was a world before Wikipedia, and there still will be a world after Wikipedia. Good gravy, he even admits that the "straw poll is NOT a vote" and is just to see if anyone is interested. In other words, if he thinks the strike should happen, it IS going to happen. Am I reading that right?!?
What exactly is he and other Wikipedians concerned about with SOPA? If there is a strike, Jimbo is sure to be interviewed by every major news outlet, his speaking career will be rejuvenated and chicks will throw themselves at his feet. It's a win-win-win. I also wonder if he isn't also revving up the drama for "domestic consumption" (nothing sells like drama on WP). He got far less wikiluv in that little exchange with Cla than he would have gotten a year or two ago, and he's already pissed off most of the non en.wp communities, so he can't let his god status decline on his last remaining front.
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HRIP7 SOPA and a strike Sat 10th December 2011, 3:14pm Herschelkrustofsky What do you suppose Jimbo's angle is here; tha... Sat 10th December 2011, 3:32pm Kelly Martin
What do you suppose Jimbo's angle is here; th... Sat 10th December 2011, 5:02pm  lilburne
Wikipedia has long relied on the safe harbor prov... Sat 10th December 2011, 5:20pm   SB_Johnny
How so? My understanding is that it is targeted a... Sat 10th December 2011, 10:27pm    lilburne
How so? My understanding is that it is targeted ... Sun 11th December 2011, 2:00pm     SB_Johnny
[quote name='SB_Johnny' post='290590' date='Sat 1... Sun 11th December 2011, 2:12pm      lilburne
[quote name='SB_Johnny' post='290590' date='Sat ... Sun 11th December 2011, 3:33pm powercorrupts He's showing his contempt for government again... Sat 10th December 2011, 5:27pm TungstenCarbide
He's showing his contempt for government agai... Sat 10th December 2011, 10:29pm  powercorrupts
He's showing his contempt for government aga... Sun 11th December 2011, 12:24am   TungstenCarbide [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='290591' date='... Sun 11th December 2011, 12:32am thekohser
He's showing his contempt for government agai... Sun 11th December 2011, 6:05am  EricBarbour
I didn't see Jimbo show much contempt for gov... Sun 11th December 2011, 6:34am   Zoloft
I didn't see Jimbo show much contempt for go... Sun 11th December 2011, 7:35am  powercorrupts
He's showing his contempt for government aga... Sun 11th December 2011, 11:39am Fusion I'd be strongly in favor of a strike. It woul... Sat 10th December 2011, 9:55pm radek
They shouldn't be wimpy about it though. Eit... Sat 10th December 2011, 10:42pm  Malik Shabazz
They shouldn't be wimpy about it though. Eit... Sun 11th December 2011, 3:48am Ottava Anyone else think that if Jimbo really cared about... Sat 10th December 2011, 10:45pm Eppur si muove
Anyone else think that if Jimbo really cared abou... Sat 10th December 2011, 11:05pm Michaeldsuarez Has humanity forgotten how to write to their repre... Sat 10th December 2011, 11:44pm radek
(Temporarily)
See the RFC on his talk page.
I t... Sun 11th December 2011, 9:29am   radek
Jimbo really believes that a Wikipedia strike can... Sun 11th December 2011, 10:12am    Cla68 I've always thought that the most likely event... Sun 11th December 2011, 11:08am     SB_Johnny
I've always thought that the most likely even... Sun 11th December 2011, 2:08pm SB_Johnny
IOW:
Sun 11th December 2011, 2:19pm Michaeldsuarez
If there is a strike, Jimbo is sure to be intervi... Sun 11th December 2011, 2:57pm Ottava I can tell you this - a change.org petition wont i... Sun 11th December 2011, 3:45pm SB_Johnny
And if the WMF does get a lobbyist, seeing their ... Sun 11th December 2011, 10:13pm  TungstenCarbide And if the WMF does get a lobbyist, seeing their t... Sun 11th December 2011, 10:36pm   Ottava
that's not implied - he flat out states that... Sun 11th December 2011, 10:49pm    SB_Johnny
[quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='290632' date=... Sun 11th December 2011, 11:28pm     Cla68
[quote name='Ottava' post='290633' date='Sun 11th... Mon 12th December 2011, 1:25am      thekohser
I [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title... Mon 12th December 2011, 12:21pm       TungstenCarbide
I [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?titl... Mon 12th December 2011, 3:38pm        Tarc
[quote name='thekohser' post='290642' date='Mon 1... Mon 12th December 2011, 4:20pm         Cla68
[quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='290648' date=... Mon 12th December 2011, 10:43pm        cookiehead
Jimbo views wikipedia editors as subordinates. He... Mon 12th December 2011, 5:05pm         thekohser
Here's one example of that. Jimbo edits Manuk... Mon 12th December 2011, 6:52pm          cookiehead
Here's one example of that. Jimbo edits Manu... Mon 12th December 2011, 8:47pm       Detective
No Wikipedia article about Dow Lohnes. Must be a... Mon 12th December 2011, 10:01pm Peter Damian Poor Marek's comments (he is our 'Radek... Sun 11th December 2011, 3:54pm radek
Eh, if anything, him hatting these comments prob... Mon 12th December 2011, 1:45am  SB_Johnny
He's probably using the term "lobbyist... Mon 12th December 2011, 10:20am Eppur si muove I know that a bit of bellowing and chest-thumping ... Sun 11th December 2011, 7:05pm Emperor Taking Wikipedia down even for an hour would prove... Sun 11th December 2011, 11:09pm Peter Damian
Taking Wikipedia down even for an hour would prov... Sun 11th December 2011, 11:17pm carbuncle No comment...
Mon 12th December 2011, 1:02pm thekohser
No comment...
Deliciously classic. Mon 12th December 2011, 4:30pm  Peter Damian
No comment...
Deliciously classic.
Quite, ... Mon 12th December 2011, 5:29pm   SB_Johnny
[quote name='thekohser' post='290652' date='Mon 1... Mon 12th December 2011, 7:37pm  mbz1
Jimbo's acting as CEO of Wikipedia :D
Tue 13th December 2011, 4:16am Ottava Here is the lobbyist database. Jim Burger does not... Mon 12th December 2011, 2:04pm carbuncle
That means that the WMF is dead in the water in t... Mon 12th December 2011, 7:06pm  SB_Johnny
I doubt Jimbo will have any trouble getting this ... Tue 13th December 2011, 11:12am   radek
I doubt Jimbo will have any trouble getting this... Tue 13th December 2011, 12:52pm    radek
[quote name='SB_Johnny' post='290709' date='Tue 1... Tue 13th December 2011, 10:32pm cookiehead Jimmy is assuming bad faith with his "hostile... Mon 12th December 2011, 4:43pm Ottava One of the first rules of lobbying is that you don... Mon 12th December 2011, 4:45pm Emperor Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. They... Mon 12th December 2011, 8:59pm nableezy
Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. The... Mon 12th December 2011, 9:14pm The Joy
Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. The... Mon 12th December 2011, 9:38pm Ottava
Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. The... Mon 12th December 2011, 10:37pm cookiehead This brings up a point I think often overlooked by... Mon 12th December 2011, 9:25pm iii
This brings up a point I think often overlooked b... Wed 14th December 2011, 5:10am Peter Damian Meanwhile the news leaks out onto the internet. h... Mon 12th December 2011, 9:40pm SB_Johnny Interesting:
(del/undel) 10:52, 10 D... Mon 12th December 2011, 9:45pm Michaeldsuarez
Interesting:
(del/undel) 10:52, 10 ... Mon 12th December 2011, 10:24pm lilburne
Now there is fuckwittery of the Godwin kind.
Se... Mon 12th December 2011, 11:06pm EricBarbour New Register article. Tue 13th December 2011, 1:34am thekohser And, as usual, Seth Finkelstein is brilliant in ho... Tue 13th December 2011, 12:25pm Michaeldsuarez
New Register article.
I wonder whether Jimbo wi... Tue 13th December 2011, 1:44pm mbz1 Jimmy is still unhapy about Cla
What track recor... Tue 13th December 2011, 9:51pm Cla68
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Us... Tue 13th December 2011, 11:05pm cookiehead Cla68 does not profit off of Wikipedia, yet contri... Tue 13th December 2011, 10:18pm thekohser
Cla68 does not profit off of Wikipedia, yet contr... Tue 13th December 2011, 11:06pm  EricBarbour
They haven't banned you yet? Just *who* are ... Tue 13th December 2011, 11:12pm   cookiehead
They haven't banned you yet? Just *who* are... Tue 13th December 2011, 11:59pm   SB_Johnny
They haven't banned you yet? Just *who* are... Wed 14th December 2011, 12:10am  radek
[quote name='cookiehead' post='290759' date='Tue ... Tue 13th December 2011, 11:40pm Michaeldsuarez http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid... Wed 14th December 2011, 1:08am SB_Johnny
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldi... Wed 14th December 2011, 1:47am  radek
[quote name='Michaeldsuarez' post='290781' date='... Wed 14th December 2011, 2:16am EricBarbour Funny thing is, III is correct. Plus: Jimbo posted... Wed 14th December 2011, 7:18am TungstenCarbide
Funny thing is, III is correct. Plus: Jimbo poste... Wed 14th December 2011, 7:25am lilburne Godwin's replacement speaks:
http://blog.wiki... Wed 14th December 2011, 7:36am TungstenCarbide
Godwin's replacement speaks:
Wowah! The W... Wed 14th December 2011, 7:44am EricBarbour
Bullshit. Commons contains thousands of images sn... Wed 14th December 2011, 8:40am Ottava
Bullshit. Commons contains thousands of images s... Wed 14th December 2011, 1:44pm EricBarbour Made Slashdot today. Plus the "visual editor... Wed 14th December 2011, 10:51am lilburne SOPA seems to be targeted at link farms to torrent... Wed 14th December 2011, 12:43pm thekohser Geoff says:
Hey, dipwad... what do you think the... Wed 14th December 2011, 4:17pm thekohser I think we should tell Congress to stop online pir... Wed 14th December 2011, 5:00pm Peter Damian
I think we should tell Congress to [url=http://vi... Wed 14th December 2011, 5:31pm  lilburne
I think we should tell Congress to [url=http://v... Wed 14th December 2011, 7:13pm
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