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HRIP7
post Sat 10th December 2011, 3:14pm
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Jimbo has asked for comments on whether Wikipedia should reserve the right to go on strike to prevent the Stop Online Piracy Act from passing.

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post Sun 11th December 2011, 8:49am
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See the RFC on his talk page.

I think it's bad precedent for Wikipedia to get into politics. I think it makes a mockery of NPOV (not that there current articles don't already, but...). I dunno. It would sure get news, which would be interesting.
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post Sun 11th December 2011, 9:37am
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QUOTE(mydog @ Sun 11th December 2011, 3:49am) *

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See the RFC on his talk page.

I think it's bad precedent for Wikipedia to get into politics. I think it makes a mockery of NPOV (not that there current articles don't already, but...). I dunno. It would sure get news, which would be interesting.


QUOTE(Jimbo Wales)
A few months ago, the Italian Wikipedia community made a decision to blank all of Italian Wikipedia for a short period in order to protest a law which would infringe on their editorial independence. The Italian Parliament backed down immediately. As Wikipedians may or may not be aware, a much worse law going under the misleading title of "Stop Online Piracy Act' is working its way through Congress on a bit of a fast track. I may be attending a meeting at the White House on Monday (pending confirmation on a couple of fronts) along with executives from many other top Internet firms, and I thought this would be a good time to take a quick reading of the community feeling on this issue. My own view is that a community strike was very powerful and successful in Italy and could be even more powerful in this case. There are obviously many questions about whether the strike should be geotargetted (US-only), etc. (One possible view is that because the law would seriously impact the functioning of Wikipedia for everyone, a global strike of at least the English Wikipedia would put the maximum pressure on the US government.) At the same time, it's of course a very very big deal to do something like this, it is unprecedented for English Wikipedia.

So, this is a straw poll. Please !vote either 'support' or 'oppose' with a reason, and try to keep wide-ranging discussion to the section below the poll.

To be clear, this is NOT a vote on whether or not to have a strike. This is merely a straw poll to indicate overall interest. If this poll is firmly 'opposed' then I'll know that now. But even if this poll is firmly in 'support' we'd obviously go through a much longer process to get some kind of consensus around parameters, triggers, and timing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=465086832


Jimbo is really stretching it by saying that the Italian Wikipedia's strike had any effect on the Italian law being struck down. I thought that pressure from journalists and free press groups was the main reason for its downfall?

Jimbo really believes that a Wikipedia strike can bend Congress to its will? Sure, it would gain a lot of press, but I do not believe Wikipedia has the power he thinks it has. Jimbo comes off very egotistical and arrogant with this claim. There was a world before Wikipedia, and there still will be a world after Wikipedia. Good gravy, he even admits that the "straw poll is NOT a vote" and is just to see if anyone is interested. In other words, if he thinks the strike should happen, it IS going to happen. Am I reading that right?!?

What exactly is he and other Wikipedians concerned about with SOPA?
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Sun 11th December 2011, 9:37am) *
Jimbo really believes that a Wikipedia strike can bend Congress to its will? Sure, it would gain a lot of press, but I do not believe Wikipedia has the power he thinks it has. Jimbo comes off very egotistical and arrogant with this claim. There was a world before Wikipedia, and there still will be a world after Wikipedia. Good gravy, he even admits that the "straw poll is NOT a vote" and is just to see if anyone is interested. In other words, if he thinks the strike should happen, it IS going to happen. Am I reading that right?!?

What exactly is he and other Wikipedians concerned about with SOPA?

If there is a strike, Jimbo is sure to be interviewed by every major news outlet, his speaking career will be rejuvenated and chicks will throw themselves at his feet. It's a win-win-win.

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QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Sun 11th December 2011, 4:42am) *

QUOTE(The Joy @ Sun 11th December 2011, 9:37am) *
Jimbo really believes that a Wikipedia strike can bend Congress to its will? Sure, it would gain a lot of press, but I do not believe Wikipedia has the power he thinks it has. Jimbo comes off very egotistical and arrogant with this claim. There was a world before Wikipedia, and there still will be a world after Wikipedia. Good gravy, he even admits that the "straw poll is NOT a vote" and is just to see if anyone is interested. In other words, if he thinks the strike should happen, it IS going to happen. Am I reading that right?!?

What exactly is he and other Wikipedians concerned about with SOPA?

If there is a strike, Jimbo is sure to be interviewed by every major news outlet, his speaking career will be rejuvenated and chicks will throw themselves at his feet. It's a win-win-win.

I also wonder if he isn't also revving up the drama for "domestic consumption" (nothing sells like drama on WP). He got far less wikiluv in that little exchange with Cla than he would have gotten a year or two ago, and he's already pissed off most of the non en.wp communities, so he can't let his god status decline on his last remaining front.

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HRIP7   SOPA and a strike   Sat 10th December 2011, 3:14pm
Herschelkrustofsky   What do you suppose Jimbo's angle is here; tha...   Sat 10th December 2011, 3:32pm
Kelly Martin   What do you suppose Jimbo's angle is here; th...   Sat 10th December 2011, 5:02pm
lilburne   Wikipedia has long relied on the safe harbor prov...   Sat 10th December 2011, 5:20pm
SB_Johnny   How so? My understanding is that it is targeted a...   Sat 10th December 2011, 10:27pm
lilburne   How so? My understanding is that it is targeted ...   Sun 11th December 2011, 2:00pm
SB_Johnny   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='290590' date='Sat 1...   Sun 11th December 2011, 2:12pm
lilburne   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='290590' date='Sat ...   Sun 11th December 2011, 3:33pm
powercorrupts   He's showing his contempt for government again...   Sat 10th December 2011, 5:27pm
TungstenCarbide   He's showing his contempt for government agai...   Sat 10th December 2011, 10:29pm
powercorrupts   He's showing his contempt for government aga...   Sun 11th December 2011, 12:24am
TungstenCarbide   [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='290591' date='...   Sun 11th December 2011, 12:32am
thekohser   He's showing his contempt for government agai...   Sun 11th December 2011, 6:05am
EricBarbour   I didn't see Jimbo show much contempt for gov...   Sun 11th December 2011, 6:34am
Zoloft   I didn't see Jimbo show much contempt for go...   Sun 11th December 2011, 7:35am
powercorrupts   He's showing his contempt for government aga...   Sun 11th December 2011, 11:39am
Fusion   I'd be strongly in favor of a strike. It woul...   Sat 10th December 2011, 9:55pm
radek   They shouldn't be wimpy about it though. Eit...   Sat 10th December 2011, 10:42pm
Malik Shabazz   They shouldn't be wimpy about it though. Eit...   Sun 11th December 2011, 3:48am
Ottava   Anyone else think that if Jimbo really cared about...   Sat 10th December 2011, 10:45pm
Eppur si muove   Anyone else think that if Jimbo really cared abou...   Sat 10th December 2011, 11:05pm
Michaeldsuarez   Has humanity forgotten how to write to their repre...   Sat 10th December 2011, 11:44pm
mydog   (Temporarily) See the RFC on his talk page. I th...   Sun 11th December 2011, 8:49am
radek   (Temporarily) See the RFC on his talk page. I t...   Sun 11th December 2011, 9:29am
radek   Jimbo really believes that a Wikipedia strike can...   Sun 11th December 2011, 10:12am
Cla68   I've always thought that the most likely event...   Sun 11th December 2011, 11:08am
SB_Johnny   I've always thought that the most likely even...   Sun 11th December 2011, 2:08pm
SB_Johnny   IOW:   Sun 11th December 2011, 2:19pm
Michaeldsuarez   If there is a strike, Jimbo is sure to be intervi...   Sun 11th December 2011, 2:57pm
Ottava   I can tell you this - a change.org petition wont i...   Sun 11th December 2011, 3:45pm
SB_Johnny   And if the WMF does get a lobbyist, seeing their ...   Sun 11th December 2011, 10:13pm
TungstenCarbide   And if the WMF does get a lobbyist, seeing their t...   Sun 11th December 2011, 10:36pm
Ottava   that's not implied - he flat out states that...   Sun 11th December 2011, 10:49pm
SB_Johnny   [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='290632' date=...   Sun 11th December 2011, 11:28pm
Cla68   [quote name='Ottava' post='290633' date='Sun 11th...   Mon 12th December 2011, 1:25am
thekohser   I [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title...   Mon 12th December 2011, 12:21pm
TungstenCarbide   I [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?titl...   Mon 12th December 2011, 3:38pm
Tarc   [quote name='thekohser' post='290642' date='Mon 1...   Mon 12th December 2011, 4:20pm
Cla68   [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='290648' date=...   Mon 12th December 2011, 10:43pm
cookiehead   Jimbo views wikipedia editors as subordinates. He...   Mon 12th December 2011, 5:05pm
thekohser   Here's one example of that. Jimbo edits Manuk...   Mon 12th December 2011, 6:52pm
cookiehead   Here's one example of that. Jimbo edits Manu...   Mon 12th December 2011, 8:47pm
Detective   No Wikipedia article about Dow Lohnes. Must be a...   Mon 12th December 2011, 10:01pm
Peter Damian   Poor Marek's comments (he is our 'Radek...   Sun 11th December 2011, 3:54pm
radek   Eh, if anything, him hatting these comments prob...   Mon 12th December 2011, 1:45am
SB_Johnny   He's probably using the term "lobbyist...   Mon 12th December 2011, 10:20am
Eppur si muove   I know that a bit of bellowing and chest-thumping ...   Sun 11th December 2011, 7:05pm
Emperor   Taking Wikipedia down even for an hour would prove...   Sun 11th December 2011, 11:09pm
Peter Damian   Taking Wikipedia down even for an hour would prov...   Sun 11th December 2011, 11:17pm
carbuncle   No comment...   Mon 12th December 2011, 1:02pm
thekohser   No comment... Deliciously classic.   Mon 12th December 2011, 4:30pm
Peter Damian   No comment... Deliciously classic. Quite, ...   Mon 12th December 2011, 5:29pm
SB_Johnny   [quote name='thekohser' post='290652' date='Mon 1...   Mon 12th December 2011, 7:37pm
mbz1   Jimbo's acting as CEO of Wikipedia :D   Tue 13th December 2011, 4:16am
Ottava   Here is the lobbyist database. Jim Burger does not...   Mon 12th December 2011, 2:04pm
carbuncle   That means that the WMF is dead in the water in t...   Mon 12th December 2011, 7:06pm
SB_Johnny   I doubt Jimbo will have any trouble getting this ...   Tue 13th December 2011, 11:12am
radek   I doubt Jimbo will have any trouble getting this...   Tue 13th December 2011, 12:52pm
radek   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='290709' date='Tue 1...   Tue 13th December 2011, 10:32pm
cookiehead   Jimmy is assuming bad faith with his "hostile...   Mon 12th December 2011, 4:43pm
Ottava   One of the first rules of lobbying is that you don...   Mon 12th December 2011, 4:45pm
Emperor   Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. They...   Mon 12th December 2011, 8:59pm
nableezy   Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. The...   Mon 12th December 2011, 9:14pm
The Joy   Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. The...   Mon 12th December 2011, 9:38pm
Ottava   Professional lobbyists are a waste of money. The...   Mon 12th December 2011, 10:37pm
cookiehead   This brings up a point I think often overlooked by...   Mon 12th December 2011, 9:25pm
iii   This brings up a point I think often overlooked b...   Wed 14th December 2011, 5:10am
Peter Damian   Meanwhile the news leaks out onto the internet. h...   Mon 12th December 2011, 9:40pm
SB_Johnny   Interesting: (del/undel) 10:52, 10 D...   Mon 12th December 2011, 9:45pm
Michaeldsuarez   Interesting: (del/undel) 10:52, 10 ...   Mon 12th December 2011, 10:24pm
lilburne   Now there is fuckwittery of the Godwin kind. Se...   Mon 12th December 2011, 11:06pm
EricBarbour   New Register article.   Tue 13th December 2011, 1:34am
thekohser   And, as usual, Seth Finkelstein is brilliant in ho...   Tue 13th December 2011, 12:25pm
Michaeldsuarez   New Register article. I wonder whether Jimbo wi...   Tue 13th December 2011, 1:44pm
mbz1   Jimmy is still unhapy about Cla What track recor...   Tue 13th December 2011, 9:51pm
Cla68   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Us...   Tue 13th December 2011, 11:05pm
cookiehead   Cla68 does not profit off of Wikipedia, yet contri...   Tue 13th December 2011, 10:18pm
thekohser   Cla68 does not profit off of Wikipedia, yet contr...   Tue 13th December 2011, 11:06pm
EricBarbour   They haven't banned you yet? Just *who* are ...   Tue 13th December 2011, 11:12pm
cookiehead   They haven't banned you yet? Just *who* are...   Tue 13th December 2011, 11:59pm
SB_Johnny   They haven't banned you yet? Just *who* are...   Wed 14th December 2011, 12:10am
radek   [quote name='cookiehead' post='290759' date='Tue ...   Tue 13th December 2011, 11:40pm
Michaeldsuarez   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid...   Wed 14th December 2011, 1:08am
SB_Johnny   http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldi...   Wed 14th December 2011, 1:47am
radek   [quote name='Michaeldsuarez' post='290781' date='...   Wed 14th December 2011, 2:16am
EricBarbour   Funny thing is, III is correct. Plus: Jimbo posted...   Wed 14th December 2011, 7:18am
TungstenCarbide   Funny thing is, III is correct. Plus: Jimbo poste...   Wed 14th December 2011, 7:25am
lilburne   Godwin's replacement speaks: http://blog.wiki...   Wed 14th December 2011, 7:36am
TungstenCarbide   Godwin's replacement speaks: Wowah! The W...   Wed 14th December 2011, 7:44am
EricBarbour   Bullshit. Commons contains thousands of images sn...   Wed 14th December 2011, 8:40am
Ottava   Bullshit. Commons contains thousands of images s...   Wed 14th December 2011, 1:44pm
EricBarbour   Made Slashdot today. Plus the "visual editor...   Wed 14th December 2011, 10:51am
lilburne   SOPA seems to be targeted at link farms to torrent...   Wed 14th December 2011, 12:43pm
thekohser   Geoff says: Hey, dipwad... what do you think the...   Wed 14th December 2011, 4:17pm
thekohser   I think we should tell Congress to stop online pir...   Wed 14th December 2011, 5:00pm
Peter Damian   I think we should tell Congress to [url=http://vi...   Wed 14th December 2011, 5:31pm
lilburne   I think we should tell Congress to [url=http://v...   Wed 14th December 2011, 7:13pm
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