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> The TimidGuy case, aye, there's the rub
Herschelkrustofsky
post Tue 20th December 2011, 10:04pm
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TimidGuy is appealing his ban, which was executed by Jimbo in a GodKingly fashion at the request of Will Beback, who sent Jimbo a private email in which he alleged that TG was a paid advocate for the Transcendental Meditators. This situation raises numerous questions.

1. TG and WB have been going at if for a while as WP:ADVOCATES on opposing sides of the Transcendental Meditation issue. For argument's sake, let's assume that Will's allegations are correct, and TG is a paid advocate for TM. Does that make his editing more disruptive than that of Will, acting as an unpaid advocate against TM? Will's fanaticism on the topic is well known, and that fact that he is presumably doing it without compensation makes him possibly the more disruptive of the two, because he is so consumed with zeal to expose and discredit the meditators (misusing Wikipedia as a soapbox for that purpose), that he does it for free.

2. If Will has in fact acquired private information about TG's pay stubs and what not, is that not WP:WIKIHOUNDING?

3. How does WP:COI come into play when allegations are made based on evidence that is not in the public domain? Doesn't such an allegation axiomatically violate WP:OUTING?

The Arbs are already neck-deep in conundra over this. It should be interesting to see how it plays out. My personal take on it causes me to ask this: why is Will Beback still allowed to be editor, let alone an admin?
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post Tue 21st February 2012, 6:32pm
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Yep Admin bit gone. Meanwhile teetering on TM ban, site ban climbing.

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post Tue 21st February 2012, 6:51pm
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QUOTE(lilburne @ Tue 21st February 2012, 6:32pm) *

Yep Admin bit gone. Meanwhile teetering on TM ban, site ban climbing.


It's so funny how Catholic-esque(medieval) wikipedia is.
The self flagellation, the kissing of the ring, the confession, the scourging, etc.

WP:ANI is the starting point and the I stands for Inquisition rather than Incidents.
WP:AnotherNastyInquisition

The choir boys are sent home from confessional with 10 Hail Marys, the "currently-out-of-favor" are excommunicated and flogged while the "not-of-the-body" are crucified.

The whole thing is The Children's Crusade done online.
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post Tue 21st February 2012, 9:56pm
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QUOTE(Vigilant @ Tue 21st February 2012, 10:51am) *

It's so funny how Catholic-esque(medieval) wikipedia is.
The self flagellation, the kissing of the ring, the confession, the scourging, etc.

And all of it long after the actual sins were committed.....
the hellstorm happens, and Arbcom sits on their hands, until years later.

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3) The community is encouraged to open a Request for comment on the "Conflicts of Interest" guideline with a view to reconciling some of the apparent contradictions discussed in the applicable finding of fact above.

Oh yeah, that's a great idea.

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He would, of course, be welcomed here as a member.

Of course, although I think the likelihood of that happening is on a par with the chances of the sun exploding in the next 5 minutes.

He is, unquestionably, one of Wikipedia's most intractable, evil content-controllers. His history needs to be preserved so others can see what being a manipulative, obsessed maniac actually accomplishes.

Now I have to go and update his wiki article.

(You folks do realize he's just going to go back to the same old thing, pwning the same articles, once this blows over?
He's still fucking around on the Lyndon LaRouche talkpage. He needs to be locked up, not "topic-banned".)

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Herschelkrustofsky   The TimidGuy case   Tue 20th December 2011, 10:04pm
EricBarbour   I have not checked every one of TG's edits in ...   Tue 20th December 2011, 10:36pm
iii   The more pertinent question here is whether the co...   Tue 20th December 2011, 10:41pm
EricBarbour   Having seen the hatchet job that TimidGuy and his ...   Tue 20th December 2011, 10:49pm
Cla68   [quote name='iii' post='291200' date='Tue 20th De...   Tue 20th December 2011, 11:23pm
iii   If you've got links to support this, please po...   Thu 22nd December 2011, 3:13pm
Ottava   Outing and stalking is acceptable if you are part ...   Wed 21st December 2011, 2:58am
Zoloft   Will does periodic word searches on WR looking for...   Wed 21st December 2011, 3:20am
Cla68   Will does periodic word searches on WR looking fo...   Wed 21st December 2011, 4:54am
Fusion   Hey, that guy has dedicated a good chunk of his f...   Wed 21st December 2011, 12:56pm
EricBarbour   FUCK YOU, Mr. McWhiney. Because I remember this. ...   Wed 21st December 2011, 8:20am
that one guy   Meanwhile while drama central goes on in the reque...   Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:44pm
carbuncle   Here's what I don't understand - why would...   Fri 23rd December 2011, 2:59pm
that one guy   Here's what I don't understand - why woul...   Fri 23rd December 2011, 3:30pm
Fusion   I am in some difficulty here. What is the differ...   Sat 24th December 2011, 6:35pm
SB_Johnny   I am in some difficulty here. What is the diffe...   Sun 25th December 2011, 3:31am
SB_Johnny   I haven't really followed arbcom cases in the ...   Fri 23rd December 2011, 5:14pm
that one guy   I haven't really followed arbcom cases in the...   Fri 23rd December 2011, 5:47pm
iii   I haven't really followed arbcom cases in the...   Fri 23rd December 2011, 5:52pm
It's the blimp, Frank   I haven't really followed arbcom cases in the...   Fri 23rd December 2011, 6:09pm
Cla68   The thing about Transcendental Meditation (tm) is,...   Sat 24th December 2011, 1:06pm
iii   The thing about Transcendental Meditation (tm) is...   Sat 24th December 2011, 1:47pm
Herschelkrustofsky   There will always be people (often they tend to b...   Sat 24th December 2011, 3:49pm
iii   I wonder what Will Beback's actual motivation...   Sat 24th December 2011, 6:02pm
Cla68   The thing about Transcendental Meditation (tm) i...   Sun 25th December 2011, 4:26am
iii   It has been my experience that neutral editors wit...   Sun 25th December 2011, 5:27am
Cla68   It has been my experience that neutral editors wi...   Sun 25th December 2011, 7:32am
Herschelkrustofsky   I didn't say that neutral editors fall into...   Sun 25th December 2011, 4:22pm
iii   I didn't say that neutral editors fall into th...   Thu 29th December 2011, 4:03pm
Rhindle   What it comes down to is that Mr. Beback is a real...   Sat 24th December 2011, 5:36pm
that one guy   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...imidG...   Fri 30th December 2011, 7:33pm
It's the blimp, Frank   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arb...imid...   Mon 2nd January 2012, 7:54pm
Rhindle   RE: The TimidGuy case   Mon 2nd January 2012, 9:32pm
SB_Johnny   :lol: :rolleyes:   Tue 3rd January 2012, 12:13am
No one of consequence   I can't believe how much I used to care about ...   Tue 3rd January 2012, 10:01pm
Cla68   I can't believe how much I used to care about...   Tue 3rd January 2012, 11:29pm
SB_Johnny   I just noticed Jimbo has been weighing in on the w...   Tue 3rd January 2012, 11:37pm
Detective   I just noticed Jimbo has been weighing in on the ...   Wed 4th January 2012, 10:35pm
Kelly Martin   This is a function of the fact that Jimbo's ro...   Wed 4th January 2012, 10:42pm
EricBarbour   Jimbo is the God-King; by definition, he can do w...   Wed 4th January 2012, 11:02pm
Herschelkrustofsky   Will Beback is campaigning for a finding a fact th...   Mon 9th January 2012, 9:42pm
It's the blimp, Frank   I am fascinated by this guy Fladrif. He is so eage...   Thu 12th January 2012, 3:34am
HRIP7   I am fascinated by this guy Fladrif. He is so eag...   Thu 12th January 2012, 3:55am
Cla68   [quote name='It's the blimp, Frank' post='293...   Thu 12th January 2012, 4:50am
that one guy   Actually Fladrif was sanctioned in the TM arbcom c...   Fri 13th January 2012, 11:26am
SB_Johnny   Looks like this case is wrapping up. It doesn...   Sat 4th February 2012, 2:07pm
Random832   Isn't this something that we on WR have know...   Sat 4th February 2012, 5:10pm
It's the blimp, Frank   Isn't this something that we on WR have kno...   Wed 8th February 2012, 2:39am
EricBarbour   And I see that [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/ind...   Thu 9th February 2012, 12:51am
Cla68   The proposed decision has been posted. Eight arbi...   Mon 20th February 2012, 10:38pm
It's the blimp, Frank   And the bigger is, why is POV-pushing from someone...   Sat 4th February 2012, 6:45pm
Abd   And the bigger is, why is POV-pushing from someone...   Sat 4th February 2012, 7:47pm
tarantino   … have you ever attempted to communicate and es...   Sat 4th February 2012, 9:36pm
Abd   … have you ever attempted to communicate and est...   Sun 5th February 2012, 5:29am
iii   And the bigger is, why is POV-pushing from someon...   Sat 4th February 2012, 9:08pm
SB_Johnny   Here's a shadow of a clue: A "respecta...   Sat 4th February 2012, 10:16pm
Cla68   Here's a shadow of a clue: A "respect...   Sun 5th February 2012, 12:23am
EricBarbour   Okay, boys'n'girls, place your bets......   Mon 20th February 2012, 10:44pm
Herschelkrustofsky   Mr. Beback, who normally edits around the clock, c...   Mon 20th February 2012, 10:47pm
SB_Johnny   Mr. Beback, who normally edits around the clock, ...   Mon 20th February 2012, 11:21pm
radek   [quote name='Herschelkrustofsky' post='298428' da...   Tue 21st February 2012, 12:12am
RMHED   [quote name='Herschelkrustofsky' post='298428' d...   Tue 21st February 2012, 12:26am
Ego Trippin' (Part Two)   Mr. Beback, who normally edits around the clock, ...   Tue 21st February 2012, 12:02am
that one guy   He's definitely losing his admin and being ban...   Tue 21st February 2012, 2:06pm
It's the blimp, Frank   Looks like he just crossed the "desysop...   Tue 21st February 2012, 6:27pm
lilburne   [quote name='lilburne' post='298523' date='Tue 21...   Tue 21st February 2012, 7:23pm
Herschelkrustofsky   He is, unquestionably, one of Wikipedia's mos...   Tue 21st February 2012, 10:12pm
SB_Johnny   [quote name='EricBarbour' post='298564' date='Tue...   Wed 22nd February 2012, 3:43am
iii   [quote name='EricBarbour' post='298564' date='Tu...   Wed 22nd February 2012, 4:20am
Herschelkrustofsky   Will Beback is a Wikipedian not unlike any other...   Wed 22nd February 2012, 5:57am
Cla68   [quote name='iii' post='298657' date='Tue 21st Fe...   Wed 22nd February 2012, 8:05am
iii   But regarding Will, it's not just that he is a...   Wed 22nd February 2012, 3:06pm
Zoloft   I don't believe Will wants our sympathy or ass...   Tue 21st February 2012, 7:52pm
gomi   I don't believe Will wants our sympathy or as...   Tue 21st February 2012, 9:49pm
EricBarbour   More like Sonic the Hiking Hedgehog :yecch:   Wed 22nd February 2012, 4:12am
Herschelkrustofsky   Right.   Wed 22nd February 2012, 3:28pm
Ego Trippin' (Part Two)   Lest it be overshadowed by the infighting here on ...   Fri 24th February 2012, 11:11pm
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iii   He made a bad tactical decision to go with a ...   Sat 25th February 2012, 12:18am
TungstenCarbide   He made a bad tactical decision to go with a ...   Sat 25th February 2012, 12:43am
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Selina   Even more impressive is that "Will Beback: ba...   Sat 25th February 2012, 8:45pm
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