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Sun 25th December 2011, 8:24pm
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I find this comment interesting:
QUOTE If I was the boss of a company, I wouldn't fire my best employee for pissing off everyone else, especially if he or she actually gets shit done. Let's face it: Malleus is worth more to Wikipedia than five admins. Why not let Malleus have immunity because of his usefulness? Is calling someone a cunt (even if regularly done over several years) that bad, considering this is the Internet? If someone leaves Wikipedia "because" of Malleus, it's their choice. Fetchcomms is mistaking: Malleus is worth more to Wikipedia than at least a hundred admins, probably more, but does it mean Malleus and other valued editors should be treated differently than not so valued, but good faith editors? I have no answer to this question, but I would like to hear what others think about this matter. Thanks. This post has been edited by mbz1: Sun 25th December 2011, 8:28pm |
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Mon 26th December 2011, 6:03am
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I meant neither vandals nor trolls.
I meant only good faith editors. For example, let's say Malleus who wrote many good articles has a dispute with jd turk whose only contributions is reverting vandalism. If Malleus is banned, or even simply gets upset over a short block and leaves, it will be a loss for wikipedia. If jd turk is banned or is driven away by Malleus, it would not be so much of a loss because there are many other users who could revert vandalism. It will be very unfair to treat the users differently, but on the other hand to let Malleus go could be unfair towards wikipedia readers. This post has been edited by mbz1: Mon 26th December 2011, 6:05am |
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Mon 26th December 2011, 4:50pm
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For example, let's say Malleus who wrote many good articles has a dispute with jd turk whose only contributions is reverting vandalism. If Malleus is banned, or even simply gets upset over a short block and leaves, it will be a loss for wikipedia. If jd turk is banned or is driven away by Malleus, it would not be so much of a loss because there are many other users who could revert vandalism. It will be very unfair to treat the users differently, but on the other hand to let Malleus go could be unfair towards wikipedia readers. Here's the thing no one seems to want to acknowledge. Malleus (using one example) may be a good writer, but he's not unique. If he's banned because, just as an example, he knows his writing will grant him immunity when he rips other editors to shreds, then the encyclopedia won't shut down. It's a hive. It doesn't need a few really good contributors who are incapable of getting along with others. They need thousands of worker ants crawling all over the website, adding references and updating articles. Their ongoing problems with retaining new editors, and keeping the old ones civil enough that talk pages don't turn into trolling internet forums go hand in hand. WP doesn't want high-quality content. If they did, they'd hire high-quality writers. They want everyone in the world to contribute, regardless of ability, so everyone feels invested and will help a) add their content on articles they care about, and b) help pay for it. |
mbz1 Should valued contributers be treated differently? Sun 25th December 2011, 8:24pm
jd turk
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Eppur si muove
Fetchcomms is mistaking: Malleus is worth more to... Sun 25th December 2011, 10:42pm
Herschelkrustofsky
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Eppur si muove
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Peter Damian
I meant neither vandals nor trolls.
I meant only ... Mon 26th December 2011, 10:00am
Peter Damian
It's a hive. It doesn't need a few really... Mon 26th December 2011, 5:04pm
mbz1
It's a hive. It doesn't need a few reall... Mon 26th December 2011, 5:13pm
Eppur si muove
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mbz1
Wikipedia's treatment of valued contributors... Mon 26th December 2011, 6:59pm
Eppur si muove
[quote name='Eppur si muove' post='291677' date='... Mon 26th December 2011, 7:27pm
Peter Damian
I find [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?t... Mon 26th December 2011, 9:56am
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melloden
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mbz1
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Eppur si muove
[quote name='melloden' post='291659' date='Mon 26... Mon 26th December 2011, 7:12pm
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TungstenCarbide
[quote name='melloden' post='291659' date='Mon 26... Mon 26th December 2011, 6:24pm
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victim of censorship
[quote name='Kelly Martin' post='291670' date='Mo... Mon 26th December 2011, 9:11pm
Ottava People who don't work on the encyclopedia have... Mon 26th December 2011, 7:33pm
Malleus
People who don't work on the encyclopedia hav... Mon 26th December 2011, 7:47pm
mbz1
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jd turk
Dumping all the administrators and removing the G... Tue 27th December 2011, 3:29am
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jd turk
"The police and government aren't doing ... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:26am

mbz1
"The police and government aren't doing ... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:28am

Tarc
[quote name='Kelly Martin' post='291728' date='Tu... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:34am

jd turk
What about when valued contributors are also trol... Tue 27th December 2011, 5:28am

Wikifan
this.
secondly, who the hell is Malleus? And i... Tue 27th December 2011, 5:42am

melloden
wikipedia isn't going anywhere. if you can... Tue 27th December 2011, 6:00am


jd turk
You assume that profanity is bad. Some people use... Tue 27th December 2011, 6:17am


Wikifan
wikipedia isn't going anywhere. if you can... Tue 27th December 2011, 6:33am

Tarc
this.
You do realize that my statement was a... Tue 27th December 2011, 3:29pm


mbz1
this.
You do realize that my statement was ... Tue 27th December 2011, 3:49pm


Vigilant
[quote name='Tarc' post='291756' date='Tue 27th D... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:18pm



mbz1
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melloden
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Peter Damian
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Tarc
[quote name='melloden' post='291761' date='Tue 27... Tue 27th December 2011, 7:20pm



mbz1
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Tarc
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mbz1
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victim of censorship
Well, if a self-admitted asshole alleges that my ... Thu 29th December 2011, 4:07pm


Tarc
Well, if a self-admitted asshole alleges that my... Fri 30th December 2011, 12:10am


victim of censorship
[quote name='victim of censorship' post='291955' ... Sat 31st December 2011, 12:57am

Cunningly Linguistic
Difficult to edit when users create a climate o... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:48pm

mbz1
Difficult to edit when users create a climate ... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:52pm

Herschelkrustofsky
I see nothing wrong in calling someone a cunt...... Wed 28th December 2011, 3:27am
Ottava
Until Wikipedia gets a Batman, that's not a s... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:36am
thekohser
Until Wikipedia gets a Batman, that's not a ... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:47am
Peter Damian There has been a lot of discussion about Malleus a... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:59pm
gomi here.] Wed 28th December 2011, 1:28am
Cunningly Linguistic As my comment to get back on topic got mixed in wi... Wed 28th December 2011, 1:54am
that one guy I think "valued contributers" (sic) is a... Wed 28th December 2011, 3:39pm
Detective
It's no better to me than an admin who flouts... Wed 28th December 2011, 9:36pm
that one guy
It's no better to me than an admin who flout... Wed 28th December 2011, 10:13pm
Wikifan
get bent tarc. just because editors have failed... Thu 29th December 2011, 4:37am
Tarc Well, if a self-admitted asshole alleges that my b... Thu 29th December 2011, 3:43pm
Wikifan
Well, if a self-admitted asshole alleges that my ... Thu 29th December 2011, 10:26pm
mbz1 Is this a response to the question of this thread?... Thu 29th December 2011, 11:29pm
victim of censorship Is it only me, but did the above quote remind to s... Thu 29th December 2011, 11:47pm
mbz1
Is it only me, but did the above quote remind to ... Fri 30th December 2011, 12:07am
Eppur si muove WRers who are confused about how certain words are... Fri 30th December 2011, 1:37am
mbz1 Here's a letter published in the Economist Sat 31st December 2011, 3:58am
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