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| mbz1 |
Sun 25th December 2011, 8:24pm
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I find this comment interesting:
QUOTE If I was the boss of a company, I wouldn't fire my best employee for pissing off everyone else, especially if he or she actually gets shit done. Let's face it: Malleus is worth more to Wikipedia than five admins. Why not let Malleus have immunity because of his usefulness? Is calling someone a cunt (even if regularly done over several years) that bad, considering this is the Internet? If someone leaves Wikipedia "because" of Malleus, it's their choice. Fetchcomms is mistaking: Malleus is worth more to Wikipedia than at least a hundred admins, probably more, but does it mean Malleus and other valued editors should be treated differently than not so valued, but good faith editors? I have no answer to this question, but I would like to hear what others think about this matter. Thanks. This post has been edited by mbz1: Sun 25th December 2011, 8:28pm |
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| Peter Damian |
Tue 27th December 2011, 4:59pm
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There has been a lot of discussion about Malleus and his use of the c-word. Perhaps we can glance at the edit which occasioned all this drama.
QUOTE We ought not to admin bash across the board, I can think immediately of many admins who appear to be proper and honest human beings. Unfortunately though I can think of far more who appear to be dishonest cunts. Malleus Fatuorum 03:38, 21 December 2011 (UTC)" [1]. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=466966253 [/url] Then the block hammer fell. Two points: the context of use. (1) There is a frivolous and a serious use of the c-word in English. The first, as in 'you silly c--t' is trivial and affectionate. The second, as here, is used to signify deep moral error, even evil, or hatred of evil. (2) The remark was at an RfA, which for the earnest type of Wikipedian is a sort of cathedral or deeply hallowed ground, where the chosen ones are anointed by a 'bureaucrat' who is something like Zadok the priest. Thus, Malleus' action was something akin to calling Queen Elizabeth a foul name during her coronation at Westminster Abbey in 1953, or whenever it was. No wonder the Wikipedians want to burn him at the stake. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGLN1kREJ2Q&t=5m10s He added the following explanation shortly after QUOTE I would be very happy to provide examples, and I'm rather puzzled that you appear not to understand the difference between an honest cunt and a dishonest cunt. They're both cunts, but one believes (s)he's defending Wkipedia, whereas the other is just a self-important wanker. Is that clearer? [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 06:13, 21 December 2011 (UTC) This post has been edited by Peter Damian: Tue 27th December 2011, 5:08pm |
mbz1 Should valued contributers be treated differently? Sun 25th December 2011, 8:24pm
jd turk
Fetchcomms is mistaking: Malleus is worth more to... Sun 25th December 2011, 8:47pm
Eppur si muove
Fetchcomms is mistaking: Malleus is worth more to... Sun 25th December 2011, 10:42pm
Herschelkrustofsky
If one takes seriously Wikipedia's mission t... Mon 26th December 2011, 3:59pm
Eppur si muove
If one takes seriously Wikipedia's mission ... Mon 26th December 2011, 6:27pm
Fusion Is there not a very important rule, namely WP:IAR?... Sun 25th December 2011, 11:04pm
mbz1 I meant neither vandals nor trolls.
I meant only g... Mon 26th December 2011, 6:03am
Peter Damian
I meant neither vandals nor trolls.
I meant only ... Mon 26th December 2011, 10:00am
jd turk
For example, let's say Malleus who wrote many... Mon 26th December 2011, 4:50pm
Peter Damian
It's a hive. It doesn't need a few really... Mon 26th December 2011, 5:04pm
mbz1
It's a hive. It doesn't need a few reall... Mon 26th December 2011, 5:13pm
Eppur si muove
Wikipedia's treatment of valued contributors ... Mon 26th December 2011, 6:33pm
mbz1
Wikipedia's treatment of valued contributors... Mon 26th December 2011, 6:59pm
Eppur si muove
[quote name='Eppur si muove' post='291677' date='... Mon 26th December 2011, 7:27pm
Peter Damian
I find [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?t... Mon 26th December 2011, 9:56am
Kelly Martin Content authors, cantankerous or not, do not add m... Mon 26th December 2011, 3:39pm
melloden
Content authors, cantankerous or not, do not add ... Mon 26th December 2011, 4:23pm
mbz1
Content authors, cantankerous or not, do not add... Mon 26th December 2011, 4:47pm

Eppur si muove
[quote name='melloden' post='291659' date='Mon 26... Mon 26th December 2011, 7:12pm
Kelly Martin Content authors don't mean much to the WMF, bu... Mon 26th December 2011, 6:00pm
TungstenCarbide
[quote name='melloden' post='291659' date='Mon 26... Mon 26th December 2011, 6:24pm
Malleus Simply put, Wikipedia doesn't really want good... Mon 26th December 2011, 6:29pm
EricBarbour Simply put, Wikipedia doesn't really want good... Mon 26th December 2011, 8:49pm
victim of censorship
[quote name='Kelly Martin' post='291670' date='Mo... Mon 26th December 2011, 9:11pm
Ottava People who don't work on the encyclopedia have... Mon 26th December 2011, 7:33pm
Malleus
People who don't work on the encyclopedia hav... Mon 26th December 2011, 7:47pm
mbz1
People who don't work on the encyclopedia ha... Tue 27th December 2011, 3:16am
jd turk
Dumping all the administrators and removing the G... Tue 27th December 2011, 3:29am
Kelly Martin "The police and government aren't doing e... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:11am

jd turk
"The police and government aren't doing ... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:26am

mbz1
"The police and government aren't doing ... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:28am

Tarc
[quote name='Kelly Martin' post='291728' date='Tu... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:34am

jd turk
What about when valued contributors are also trol... Tue 27th December 2011, 5:28am

Wikifan
this.
secondly, who the hell is Malleus? And i... Tue 27th December 2011, 5:42am

melloden
wikipedia isn't going anywhere. if you can... Tue 27th December 2011, 6:00am


jd turk
You assume that profanity is bad. Some people use... Tue 27th December 2011, 6:17am


Wikifan
wikipedia isn't going anywhere. if you can... Tue 27th December 2011, 6:33am

Tarc
this.
You do realize that my statement was a... Tue 27th December 2011, 3:29pm


mbz1
this.
You do realize that my statement was ... Tue 27th December 2011, 3:49pm


Vigilant
[quote name='Tarc' post='291756' date='Tue 27th D... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:18pm



mbz1
[quote name='Tarc' post='291756' date='Tue 27th ... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:21pm



melloden
[quote name='mbz1' post='291757' date='Tue 27th D... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:29pm



Peter Damian
If some quiet article-writer like User:Sasata cal... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:36pm




Tarc
[quote name='melloden' post='291761' date='Tue 27... Tue 27th December 2011, 7:20pm



mbz1
[quote name='mbz1' post='291757' date='Tue 27th ... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:41pm


Tarc
[quote name='Tarc' post='291756' date='Tue 27th D... Thu 29th December 2011, 3:49am


mbz1
[quote name='mbz1' post='291757' date='Tue 27th D... Thu 29th December 2011, 4:33am


victim of censorship
Well, if a self-admitted asshole alleges that my ... Thu 29th December 2011, 4:07pm


Tarc
Well, if a self-admitted asshole alleges that my... Fri 30th December 2011, 12:10am


victim of censorship
[quote name='victim of censorship' post='291955' ... Sat 31st December 2011, 12:57am

Cunningly Linguistic
Difficult to edit when users create a climate o... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:48pm

mbz1
Difficult to edit when users create a climate ... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:52pm

Herschelkrustofsky
I see nothing wrong in calling someone a cunt...... Wed 28th December 2011, 3:27am
Ottava
Until Wikipedia gets a Batman, that's not a s... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:36am
thekohser
Until Wikipedia gets a Batman, that's not a ... Tue 27th December 2011, 4:47am
gomi here.] Wed 28th December 2011, 1:28am
Cunningly Linguistic As my comment to get back on topic got mixed in wi... Wed 28th December 2011, 1:54am
that one guy I think "valued contributers" (sic) is a... Wed 28th December 2011, 3:39pm
Detective
It's no better to me than an admin who flouts... Wed 28th December 2011, 9:36pm
that one guy
It's no better to me than an admin who flout... Wed 28th December 2011, 10:13pm
Wikifan
get bent tarc. just because editors have failed... Thu 29th December 2011, 4:37am
Tarc Well, if a self-admitted asshole alleges that my b... Thu 29th December 2011, 3:43pm
Wikifan
Well, if a self-admitted asshole alleges that my ... Thu 29th December 2011, 10:26pm
mbz1 Is this a response to the question of this thread?... Thu 29th December 2011, 11:29pm
victim of censorship Is it only me, but did the above quote remind to s... Thu 29th December 2011, 11:47pm
mbz1
Is it only me, but did the above quote remind to ... Fri 30th December 2011, 12:07am
Eppur si muove WRers who are confused about how certain words are... Fri 30th December 2011, 1:37am
mbz1 Here's a letter published in the Economist Sat 31st December 2011, 3:58am
Maetu I would say no. Only because we have no idea what ... Mon 23rd January 2012, 8:27am![]() ![]() |
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