The Wikipedia Review: A forum for discussion and criticism of Wikipedia
Wikipedia Review Op-Ed Pages

Welcome, Guest! ( Log In | Register )

> Help

This subforum is for critical evaluation of Wikipedia articles. However, to reduce topic-bloat, please make note of exceptionally poor stubs, lists, and other less attention-worthy material in the Miscellaneous Grab Bag thread. Also, please be aware that agents of the Wikimedia Foundation might use your evaluations to improve the articles in question.

Useful Links: Featured Article CandidatesFeatured Article ReviewArticles for DeletionDeletion Review

2 Pages V  1 2 >  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Take down the NameBase article
Daniel Brandt
post Mon 16th January 2012, 7:26pm
Post #1


Postmaster
*******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 2,473
Joined: Fri 24th Mar 2006, 12:23am
Member No.: 77



The last attempt to delete the NameBase article occurred nearly four years ago. I still want it taken down.

Wikipedia-watch.org is now history — this is a fair trade, it seems to me.

The NameBase article is utterly incompetent and inaccurate. No, I'm not allowed to "fix it," nor am I interested in seeing a decent article about NameBase on Wikipedia. That's because Wikipediots will make it incompetent and inaccurate soon enough, even if it starts out half-decent.

To encourage its deletion, I have nullrouted all links on en.wikipedia.org that lead to NameBase content (there are about 100 of these). I will stop doing this if and when the NameBase article comes down.

So fix it, Wikipedia.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
A Horse With No Name
post Mon 16th January 2012, 10:06pm
Post #2


I have as much free time as a Wikipedia admin!
*********

Group: Regulars
Posts: 4,471
Joined: Mon 26th Jan 2009, 1:54pm
Member No.: 9,985



QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Mon 16th January 2012, 2:26pm) *

Wikipedia-watch.org is now history — this is a fair trade, it seems to me.


That is a shame - it was one of my favorite websites! unhappy.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
EricBarbour
post Mon 16th January 2012, 10:14pm
Post #3


blah
*********

Group: Regulars
Posts: 5,919
Joined: Mon 25th Feb 2008, 2:31am
Member No.: 5,066

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



Even better: Shortly after Brandt posted the above, Seren ran over and started "fixing" the article.....

Some people just can't see: the joke's on them.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Silver seren
post Mon 16th January 2012, 10:17pm
Post #4


Senior Member
****

Group: Contributors
Posts: 470
Joined: Thu 30th Dec 2010, 2:09pm
Member No.: 36,940

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



evilgrin.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
SB_Johnny
post Mon 16th January 2012, 10:42pm
Post #5


It wasn't me who made honky-tonk angels
*******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 2,128
Joined: Mon 15th Sep 2008, 3:10pm
Member No.: 8,272

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(Silver seren @ Mon 16th January 2012, 5:17pm) *

evilgrin.gif

Was that a "shit eating grin"?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Fusion
post Mon 16th January 2012, 10:45pm
Post #6


Senior Member
****

Group: Contributors
Posts: 346
Joined: Tue 29th Nov 2011, 12:40pm
Member No.: 71,526



I would have thought that Daniel would like it kept just for the link to this article:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/01/03/sea...-daniel-brandt/

QUOTE
If Ralph Nader had won the presidential election in 2000, Daniel Brandt today would occupy a suite of offices on the seventh floor of CIA headquarters in Langley. Perhaps that scenario exaggerates Nader’s abilities to scout the best talent. Brandt certainly is a wonderfully qualified candidate for director of central intelligence.

Believe me, it is very difficult indeed to buy good publicity like that.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Eppur si muove
post Mon 16th January 2012, 11:16pm
Post #7


Senior Member
****

Group: Contributors
Posts: 304
Joined: Fri 28th Nov 2008, 10:50pm
Member No.: 9,171



NameBase looks like essential reading for conspiracy theorists. You just have to bring up a diagram this then decide not to be able to afford the sources and then one can claim that Larry O'Hara is a Searchlight agent creating ridiculous conspiracy theories that anyone can see through in order to hide how Gerry Gable is in league with John Pilger, David Icke and (via the oiuja board) Edward Heath in an attempt to defeat the Thatcherite lizardfolk. (She's not really dementing, that film is just part of the conspiracy.)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
cookiehead
post Tue 17th January 2012, 12:20am
Post #8


Junior Member
**

Group: Contributors
Posts: 76
Joined: Sun 25th Jul 2010, 9:15pm
Member No.: 23,420

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



Speaking of namebase, Peggy Adler, (SPA account! OMG!), is yet another WP:AUTOBIO all-star

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bxzooo

Go Peggy!

Feel sorry for her "domestic violence" perp ex-husband getting all WikiJustice-ed up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bxz...mestic_Violence

This post has been edited by cookiehead: Tue 17th January 2012, 12:29am
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Tarc
post Tue 17th January 2012, 3:10am
Post #9


Fat Cat
******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 1,124
Joined: Fri 7th Mar 2008, 3:38am
Member No.: 5,309

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Mon 16th January 2012, 5:14pm) *

Even better: Shortly after Brandt posted the above, Seren ran over and started "fixing" the article.....

Some people just can't see: the joke's on them.


Perhaps Danny shouldn't have been dumb enough to call attention to it, then. Calling for a marginally-notable article to be deleted while in the presence of ARSeholes is like painting your own bullseye.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Emperor
post Tue 17th January 2012, 3:41am
Post #10


Try spam today!
*******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 1,859
Joined: Sat 21st Jul 2007, 4:09pm
Member No.: 2,042



QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 16th January 2012, 5:06pm) *

QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Mon 16th January 2012, 2:26pm) *

Wikipedia-watch.org is now history — this is a fair trade, it seems to me.


That is a shame - it was one of my favorite websites! unhappy.gif


Yeah what the hell? Was this talked about here? blink.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
cookiehead
post Fri 20th January 2012, 5:23am
Post #11


Junior Member
**

Group: Contributors
Posts: 76
Joined: Sun 25th Jul 2010, 9:15pm
Member No.: 23,420

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



[[Peggy Adler]]'s self promotion on WP (autobio, edited wikilink to it within the namebase article) is some sort of equal and opposite reaction to her old colleague Brandt. Unlike Brandt, she does meet notability due to the author thing.

Wonder if she knows Slim Virgin....

And whatever you do, do not put {{AUTO}} at the top of her WP AUTO BLP! She's even quicker on the draw than [[James Altucher]]'s home IP edits.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Daniel Brandt
post Thu 23rd February 2012, 11:12am
Post #12


Postmaster
*******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 2,473
Joined: Fri 24th Mar 2006, 12:23am
Member No.: 77



QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Mon 16th January 2012, 1:26pm) *

The last attempt to delete the NameBase article occurred nearly four years ago. I still want it taken down.

Wikipedia-watch.org is now history — this is a fair trade, it seems to me.

The NameBase article is utterly incompetent and inaccurate. No, I'm not allowed to "fix it," nor am I interested in seeing a decent article about NameBase on Wikipedia. That's because Wikipediots will make it incompetent and inaccurate soon enough, even if it starts out half-decent.

To encourage its deletion, I have nullrouted all links on en.wikipedia.org that lead to NameBase content (there are about 100 of these). I will stop doing this if and when the NameBase article comes down.

So fix it, Wikipedia.

I can no longer offer to lift the nullroute if the article is deleted, because the entire NameBase site is now extinct.

In other news, Michael Suarez pasted dozens of items of content from NameBase to webcitation.org last month. He had an urge to show who is boss on this issue — me or Wikipedia. This was a copyright violation, and WebCite has properly taken them down.

You can thank DDoSers from encyclopediadramatica.ch for the death of NameBase (which took 27 years to deveop). Suarez, by the way, is an admin on ED.ch, where his user name is JuniusThaddeus.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Michaeldsuarez
post Sun 26th February 2012, 2:07pm
Post #13


Über Member
*****

Group: Contributors
Posts: 561
Joined: Mon 9th Aug 2010, 7:51pm
From: New York, New York
Member No.: 24,428

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Thu 23rd February 2012, 6:12am) *

I can no longer offer to lift the nullroute if the article is deleted, because the entire NameBase site is now extinct.

In other news, Michael Suarez pasted dozens of items of content from NameBase to webcitation.org last month. He had an urge to show who is boss on this issue — me or Wikipedia. This was a copyright violation, and WebCite has properly taken them down.

You can thank DDoSers from encyclopediadramatica.ch for the death of NameBase (which took 27 years to deveop). Suarez, by the way, is an admin on ED.ch, where his user name is JuniusThaddeus.


I wasn't trying to show anyone who's bigger. I was fighting against discrimination. You were discriminating against certain groups by deciding who can or can't access NameBase and its information. Wikipedia, on the other hand, doesn't discriminate; it provides information freely to anyone. I used webcitation.org in order to indiscriminately provide access to anyone. I used webcitation.org so that those using Wikipedia as a starting point for research can make use of NameBase's information.

I stated my reason for using webcitation.org clearly enough in January:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...to_NameBase.org

As far as I'm aware, Encyclopedia Dramatica isn't responsible for the DDoS attacks.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
carbuncle
post Sun 26th February 2012, 3:08pm
Post #14


Fat Cat
******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 1,601
Joined: Sun 30th Mar 2008, 4:48pm
Member No.: 5,544



QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Sun 26th February 2012, 2:07pm) *

QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Thu 23rd February 2012, 6:12am) *

I can no longer offer to lift the nullroute if the article is deleted, because the entire NameBase site is now extinct.

In other news, Michael Suarez pasted dozens of items of content from NameBase to webcitation.org last month. He had an urge to show who is boss on this issue — me or Wikipedia. This was a copyright violation, and WebCite has properly taken them down.

You can thank DDoSers from encyclopediadramatica.ch for the death of NameBase (which took 27 years to deveop). Suarez, by the way, is an admin on ED.ch, where his user name is JuniusThaddeus.


I wasn't trying to show anyone who's bigger. I was fighting against discrimination. You were discriminating against certain groups by deciding who can or can't access NameBase and its information. Wikipedia, on the other hand, doesn't discriminate; it provides information freely to anyone. I used webcitation.org in order to indiscriminately provide access to anyone. I used webcitation.org so that those using Wikipedia as a starting point for research can make use of NameBase's information.

I stated my reason for using webcitation.org clearly enough in January:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...to_NameBase.org

As far as I'm aware, Encyclopedia Dramatica isn't responsible for the DDoS attacks.

"Wikipedia provides information freely to everyone" because that is what the people who own WP have chosen to do. If Brandt wants to restrict access to his site and the data he has compiled, isn't that his choice? Is this an "information wants to be free" argument? Sometimes I find it difficult to reconcile your WP and ED activities, since you come across as an intelligent guy, but I am beginning to suspect that it is simply an "end justifies the means"-type of crusade where WP is the good hand and ED is the bad hand that you use to advance your frei kultur goals.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Fusion
post Sun 26th February 2012, 3:51pm
Post #15


Senior Member
****

Group: Contributors
Posts: 346
Joined: Tue 29th Nov 2011, 12:40pm
Member No.: 71,526



QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Sun 26th February 2012, 2:07pm) *

You were discriminating against certain groups by deciding who can or can't access NameBase and its information. Wikipedia, on the other hand, doesn't discriminate; it provides information freely to anyone.

Why pick on Daniel Brandt? Many sites have pay walls. Why pick on a relatively small website rather than a big time charger? Or are you frightened of say Rupert Murdoch?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Daniel Brandt
post Sun 26th February 2012, 5:43pm
Post #16


Postmaster
*******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 2,473
Joined: Fri 24th Mar 2006, 12:23am
Member No.: 77



NameBase has a registered copyright. Webcitation.org took it down after I sent them a letter with a copy of my registration certificate. It wasn't a DMCA because Webcitation.org is based in Canada, but there are international treaties concerning copyrights. Suarez could have checked this out before going on a copy-and-paste orgy, if he hadn't been so eager to qualify himself as an anti-Brandt EDiot.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Herschelkrustofsky
post Sun 26th February 2012, 5:50pm
Post #17


Member
*********

Group: Members
Posts: 5,199
Joined: Tue 18th Apr 2006, 12:05pm
From: Kalifornia
Member No.: 130

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Sun 26th February 2012, 6:07am) *

I was fighting against discrimination. You were discriminating against certain groups by deciding who can or can't access NameBase and its information. Wikipedia, on the other hand, doesn't discriminate; it provides information freely to anyone.


Perhaps you intended to say "Wikipedia provides misinformation freely to anyone."
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Heat
post Sun 26th February 2012, 8:34pm
Post #18


Tenured
*****

Group: Regulars
Posts: 726
Joined: Mon 5th Mar 2007, 2:46am
Member No.: 1,066



QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Sun 26th February 2012, 2:07pm) *

QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Thu 23rd February 2012, 6:12am) *

I can no longer offer to lift the nullroute if the article is deleted, because the entire NameBase site is now extinct.

In other news, Michael Suarez pasted dozens of items of content from NameBase to webcitation.org last month. He had an urge to show who is boss on this issue — me or Wikipedia. This was a copyright violation, and WebCite has properly taken them down.

You can thank DDoSers from encyclopediadramatica.ch for the death of NameBase (which took 27 years to deveop). Suarez, by the way, is an admin on ED.ch, where his user name is JuniusThaddeus.


I wasn't trying to show anyone who's bigger. I was fighting against discrimination. You were discriminating against certain groups by deciding who can or can't access NameBase and its information. Wikipedia, on the other hand, doesn't discriminate; it provides information freely to anyone. I used webcitation.org in order to indiscriminately provide access to anyone. I used webcitation.org so that those using Wikipedia as a starting point for research can make use of NameBase's information.

I stated my reason for using webcitation.org clearly enough in January:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...to_NameBase.org

As far as I'm aware, Encyclopedia Dramatica isn't responsible for the DDoS attacks.


Interesting that Suarez is both an EDer and an advocate of the *rights* of Wikipedia. According to his WP Signpost the fact that people using WP are inconvenienced if something WP cites isn't available it is justifiable for him to violate copyright laws with a massive cut and paste job. But if WP users have the right to unfettered access to WP sources via Wikipedia, why doesn't Suarez also go on a massive cut and paste campaign to copy firewalled newspaper or journal articles? It's some courageous warrior who is willing to crusade for free access to a small, unfunded site but not willing to take on large media companies. Brave man, indeed.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Fusion
post Sun 26th February 2012, 9:58pm
Post #19


Senior Member
****

Group: Contributors
Posts: 346
Joined: Tue 29th Nov 2011, 12:40pm
Member No.: 71,526



QUOTE(Fusion @ Sun 26th February 2012, 3:51pm) *

Why pick on Daniel Brandt? Many sites have pay walls. Why pick on a relatively small website rather than a big time charger? Or are you frightened of say Rupert Murdoch?



QUOTE(Heat @ Sun 26th February 2012, 8:34pm) *

But if WP users have the right to unfettered access to WP sources via Wikipedia, why doesn't Suarez also go on a massive cut and paste campaign to copy firewalled newspaper or journal articles? It's some courageous warrior who is willing to crusade for free access to a small, unfunded site but not willing to take on large media companies. Brave man, indeed.

I am grateful to Heat for agreeing with me so enthusiastically. smile.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Tarc
post Sun 26th February 2012, 10:06pm
Post #20


Fat Cat
******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 1,124
Joined: Fri 7th Mar 2008, 3:38am
Member No.: 5,309

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Thu 23rd February 2012, 6:12am) *
I can no longer offer to lift the nullroute if the article is deleted, because the entire NameBase site is now extinct.


Brandt, at the rate you're going you may just tip the notability scales into getting your own BLP article restored. The Register and Betabeat, among others, have covered Scroogle's downfall in the last week or so.

Perhaps we'll see if the venerable Article Rescue Squadron, who rarely meets a subject matter it doesn't vote to keep, is interested.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

2 Pages V  1 2 >
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

-   Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 17th 12 14, 7:56pm