Deryck Chan loses a fan, player vs player Options

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Who doesn't enjoy a Twitter fight? User:Deryck Chan is an admin on WP.

deryckchan Deryck Chan
Derby men guilty over gay hate leaflets http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-16656679 //I don't agree with what they say, but we should defend their right to say it.
20 Jan

Faenwp Fae
@deryckchan I see no difference between saying "all jews should burn" from "all gays should burn". Incitement to hatred is not a "right".
14 hours ago

deryckchan Deryck Chan
@Faenwp "Propose death penalty for homosexuals" is (misguided) advocacy; "We should go and burn homosexuals" is inciting hatred.
14 hours ago

Faenwp Fae
@deryckchan Proclaiming "Turn Or Burn" is incitement to hatred and demonstrated in court. Are you sure you want to support such filth?
14 hours ago

deryckchan Deryck Chan
@Faenwp Again I don't support what they say; I'm merely astonished by how far over the top our society's secularist intolerance has gone.
14 hours ago

Faenwp Fae
@deryckchan Incitement to hatred is not "secularist intolerance". You shouting offensive crap in public. You have certainly lost my respect.
14 hours ago

deryckchan Deryck Chan
@Faenwp Your response exhibits precisely that intolerance - using "equality" as an excuse to silence those with different moral views.
14 hours ago

@Faenwp Fae
@deryckchan I thought I just block you. Please fuck off with your homophobic supporting shit.
13 hours ago via web

@Faenwp Fae
@deryckchan Perhaps you should write to #Stonewall explaining everyone has the "right" to say that gay people should be burnt to death.
14 hours ago via web

@Faenwp Fae
@deryckchan To avoid bias, why not write to @JewishChron and defend the "right" to publish leaflets supporting the death penalty for Jews?
14 hours ago via web

Faenwp Fae
@deryckchan You support the "right" to publish statements that gay people should be burnt or stoned to death. How is that not disgusting?
14 hours ago

deryckchan Deryck Chan
@Faenwp en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_the…
14 hours ago

@Faenwp Fae
@deryckchan Your offensive homophobic and pro-incitement to hatred is too much. Quoting "First they came…" at me is stupid. Fuck off.
14 hours ago via web

deryckchan Deryck Chan
@Faenwp Since you've now resorted to swearing and personal attacks, I agree I should remove myself from this conversation.
14 hours ago

Faenwp Fae
@deryckchan Steer clear of me in future. Now I see you support incitement against queers, it is easy to see your comments in context.
13 hours ago

[Eppur si muove]

If "turn or burn" refers to this life and not the next, then it's hard to see it as a free speech issue rather than one of delivering threats through the letterboxes of anyone whose sex life may not meet the expected standards of religious bigots. However, it's not immediately obvious that Chan is homophobic as opposed to someone who takes Voltaire's precept to extremes.

In the good old days before Fae replaced Ash, we might also have seen a clash over the following AfD Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Stud_(LGBT_usage). Of course, if this had concerned a pornagraphic photo on Commons, Fae would still have explained its educational and encyclopedic relevance.

[lilburne]

If "turn or burn" refers to this life and not the next, then it's hard to see it as a free speech issue rather than one of delivering threats through the letterboxes of anyone whose sex life may not meet the expected standards of religious bigots.

Would one take the same position if the phrase used was "turn or Darth Vader will whack you with his light sabre"? Don't threats have to be credible for the law to be invoked, and also one cannot be guilty of something that it impossible to do?

[Eppur si muove]

If "turn or burn" refers to this life and not the next, then it's hard to see it as a free speech issue rather than one of delivering threats through the letterboxes of anyone whose sex life may not meet the expected standards of religious bigots.

Would one take the same position if the phrase used was "turn or Darth Vader will whack you with his light sabre"? Don't threats have to be credible for the law to be invoked, and also one cannot be guilty of something that it impossible to do?

That's why I raise the issue of whether the burning is meant to happen in this life or the next. If it's the next then it's people talking about their sadistic fantasies and just showing that they are unpleasant people. If there isn't an explicit mention of the burning being in hell, then you see how the guy in the article might be rationally scared of arson attacks through the letter box and at that point the religious nutters deserve no sympathy.