Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Fæ (/Fae/Ash), Quick, send a dossier to ArbCom and delete! Options

[Peter Damian]

This is off-topic, however, I may start another thread on this. "What has Wikipedia Review ever done for us..."?

You may do so if you wish, but I seriously doubt that you can justify WR to him.

More justify to ourselves. There have been a few posts recently expressing lack of confidence in WR and questioning whether it actually has achieved anything. I think it's achieved quite a lot, and it might be worth enumerating those achievements somewhere. The post below captures a bit of it.

I agree, use of Wikipedia should be discouraged by the WMF. Harassment and attacks on members are rife on subforums such as AN/I and RfA. It's a website which Wikipedia and the Wikipedia community seem to have no control over. Don't judge something before looking at it. Wikipedia Review has a positive influence on Wikipedia in many ways... crappy articles are highlighted there and members go over to WP and fix them (often these errors are on BLPs), corruption is exposed and often routed, discussions censored on WP are freely (if sometimes rudely) allowed to progress and develop on WR. It's your safety valve. It keeps the worst monsters from walking your back alleys. →StaniStani 04:41, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

[Detective]

"I haven't seen it [Four Weddings and a Funeral]†, of course, but I've heard that the opening three minutes contains a stream of four letter obscenities"
—Mary Whitehouse
† "Film critic Roger Ebert gave the film three-and-a-half stars out of four, calling it "delightful and sly", and directed with "light-hearted enchantment"

I don't quite see the logic here. it is entirely possible for a film to be "delightful and sly" and yet contain an isolated "stream of four letter obscenities". As far as I remember, Mary Whitehouse was totally correct there. Yet it was a fairly good film if you have a thick skin for profanities, so there is no contradiction.

[Selina]

Well, I thought it would be kind of ironic to say it without watching it She was pretty famous for saying stuff about films she hadn't watched

[dogbiscuit]

I don't want to sound too much like a conspiracy theorist, but is it possible that this notion that the image of flying fish boy "changed" after Ash had the image on his user page has somehow been cooked up with a little trickery?

He is on the Board and steering committee of Wikimedia UK with the purse strings of millions of pounds of Wikimedia's donations in the UK, it could well have been "someone edit that NOW to try protect WMF's reputation" — It's very easy to change a line like that in the database (I'm not sure what database they use but any of them might as well be a giant Excel spreadsheet of text to someone who knows what they are doing, you can change any of the dates to whatever you want if you wish) — Brion VIBBER used to do a lot of requests to change stuff like that back in the day when stuff like user renames were done manually similar to what OTRS do now. It could have just taken a minute or two, if anything it's probably even easier with better tools to edit the database as needed these days. Don't believe everything you see on Wikipedia, this is why stuff like The Internet Archive is important - and even then they sometimes remove stuff due to requests like Wikipedia and Webcitation too... You had the right idea using your own site...

Pp
back in the day ... there even used to be a Wikipedia page where you could type in your own sql script and run it on the database, used mostly for queries and searches and stuff like that. Maybe 2002 or so.

The trouble Fae has is similar to ex-English football captain John Terry. He was filmed on pitch saying "Black c**t" Jwhich was not considered to being used in a down the pub between mates Wikipedian way) to another player. There has been a fuss because he lost the captancy before he was convicted of a crime he has been chrged with. The chattering classes go along with the argument that he has not been convicted , but the fact remains that he does not deny saying the inappropriate things and as capain, he has brought football into disrepute.

Fae is in the same position. Nobody has managed to pin him down explicitly, but he has left a long trail of undesirable actions. The Wikipedian mindset is that they must ignore dubious behaviour until someone is thrown to the dogs. In thereal world, such people get warned about their conduct and if they betray their honorary positions of trust then they tend to lose them.

[Eppur si muove]

I don't want to sound too much like a conspiracy theorist, but is it possible that this notion that the image of flying fish boy "changed" after Ash had the image on his user page has somehow been cooked up with a little trickery?

He is on the Board and steering committee of Wikimedia UK with the purse strings of millions of pounds of Wikimedia's donations in the UK, it could well have been "someone edit that NOW to try protect WMF's reputation" — It's very easy to change a line like that in the database (I'm not sure what database they use but any of them might as well be a giant Excel spreadsheet of text to someone who knows what they are doing, you can change any of the dates to whatever you want if you wish) — Brion VIBBER used to do a lot of requests to change stuff like that back in the day when stuff like user renames were done manually similar to what OTRS do now. It could have just taken a minute or two, if anything it's probably even easier with better tools to edit the database as needed these days. Don't believe everything you see on Wikipedia, this is why stuff like The Internet Archive is important - and even then they sometimes remove stuff due to requests like Wikipedia and Webcitation too... You had the right idea using your own site...

Pp
back in the day ... there even used to be a Wikipedia page where you could type in your own sql script and run it on the database, used mostly for queries and searches and stuff like that. Maybe 2002 or so.

The trouble Fae has is similar to ex-English football captain John Terry. He was filmed on pitch saying "Black c**t" Jwhich was not considered to being used in a down the pub between mates Wikipedian way) to another player. There has been a fuss because he lost the captancy before he was convicted of a crime he has been chrged with. The chattering classes go along with the argument that he has not been convicted , but the fact remains that he does not deny saying the inappropriate things and as capain, he has brought football into disrepute.

Fae is in the same position. Nobody has managed to pin him down explicitly, but he has left a long trail of undesirable actions. The Wikipedian mindset is that they must ignore dubious behaviour until someone is thrown to the dogs. In thereal world, such people get warned about their conduct and if they betray their honorary positions of trust then they tend to lose them.

Let's see what happens to JT. He has a pretty seedy history and I am sceptical about his account but I think the FA got themselves in a twist with Capello because he gave way over the pressure to sack JT over the alleged affair with Wayne Bridge's ex. She obtained apologies from a number of papers and it remains unsubstantiated that it ever happened. This time around Capello stood his ground.

But back to Fae. One of his heroes is Peter Tatchell who is famous, amongst other things, for outing hypocritical gays who criticised homosexuality in public while living it up in private. Fae complains about his life being gossiped about while engaging in publicising what women sex workers are up to. Steffans tried to suppress a sex video she took part in and Fae linked the video from the Wikipedia article about her. Similarly he tried to prevent a picture of prostitutes being deleted from Commons despite it being illegal to take it under German law. Russavia seems to have believed some nonsense about Fae not realising that the Reeperbahn was a red light district. But does anyone believe that it never crossed the mind of someone as sex-obsessed as van Haeften that a picture of prostitutes most likely was taken in a red light district? He is thus exactly the sort of hypocrite that Tatchell exposed.

So, Ashley van Haeften, you are not a campaigner for sexual liberties. You are a slimy slug who exploits sex workers and denies them any rights. Now slither away back under the stone you came from and leave Wikipedia alone.

This post has been edited by Eppur si muove: Sun 12th February 2012, 12:47am

[thekohser]

Just a point of information, on my Examiner blog/spam site, the Google Analytics indicates that (over the past two weeks) the most-frequently queried search term that brings people to any of my articles was:

"ashley van haeften gay"

Not that there's anything wrong with searching for that!

[Fusion]

With the search string

"ashley van haeften" gay

(note position of quotes) I get only two results:

Ashley Van Haeften caught copying a map and lying about it - The ...
wikipediareview.com › ... › Wikimedia Discussion › General Discussion
30 Dec 2011 – Ashley Van Haeften caught copying a map and lying about it, (and ... No one noticed the obvious, that map is of a "gay-friendly" nudist beach?

Wikimedia UK trustee finds his hands tied - National Wiki Edits ...
www.examiner.com/.../wikimedia-uk-trustee-finds-his-hands-tied?...
29 Nov 2011 – According to the available evidence, Mr. Ashley Van Haeften began his ... and added to feverishly was called "List of gay bathhouse regulars".

[Kelly Martin]

Ashley just admitted (on G+) to having been the author of the gay bathhouse thing. I'm not sure if he's still denying that on Wikipedia.

He also claims on G+ that his "real name" is Fae.

[Fusion]

He also claims on G+ that his "real name" is Fae.

Define "real name"! As I understand it, in England you can call yourself anything you like as long as it is not with intention to defraud. But is that the name under which he is registered as a trustee of WMF UK? If not, there is a discrepancy that may be of concern to the authorities. (NB: This is not a legal threat!)

[mbz1]

(mod note: "Conflicts of interest, paedophila images" subtitle added)
(mod note: See previous topic, 'Wikimedia UK's Fæ, A new name for an old face', for background)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Fæ.

Should we start a betting pool on how long it stays up and who closes/deletes it?

clossed

[Selina]

So I was just looking at what schools this guy has been writing about after I read that he has worked for schools... and... found him covering up (making an edit summary of "vandalism") an account called "Anonyous Whistleblower" posting in gory detail to the article that pupils are warned not to to talk to the Police and that staff open students' bedrooms: wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_School_at_West_Heath?diff=prev&oldid=410341394 (09:56, 27 January 2011) ... and.... he removed this: The vice-principal of Diana, Princess of Wales's former school has admitted possessing indecent photos of children, BBC News, Thursday, 22 April 2010

I looked further into the history and the bit before the bit complaining about staff going into pupil's bedrooms using their key seems to have been posted before the paedophilia incident stuff happened... there's a rather angry rant on the talk page about it: wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_New_School_at_West_Heath#Issues_section

If not for your bureaucracy someone might have seen it and actually done something.

It was removed by someone who had no edits other than editing this page, probably someone that worked at the school.Revision as of 2006-07-06T15:00:50

When I was at the school I brought up with the Ofsted inspectors the issue of boarding staff abusing the master key for reasons other than emergencies to enter students' rooms without knocking and so on, and they did not listen either. So Wikipedia was the only option, and even you did not listen.

If not for your bureaucracy someone official might have seen it and actually done something about the situation before this happened
[..]
Puts the rules about not being able to lock your door etc[2], set by the head of boarding (the same Mr Whillock in the articles) in a whole different light NOW

mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/05/31/william-whillock-vice-principal-at-the-new-school-in-west-heath-guilty-of-child-porn-offences

02/06/2010 at 1:53 pm
I worked under this man for 2 years and left due to an internal investigation in which l questuoned this mans work practices. That was seven years ago he was totally exonerated of all allegations even though l had evidence. This l believe is a total cover up by the school who have no record of this on file and this time police had to use my paper work which l had kept. This is a high profile school and the public need to know how neglectful they have been to allow this man to continue working in such a responsible position when it could have been prevented seven years ago.I ask you how many other young girls were his victim.Please contact me on [redacted - HLM] if you would like more information. Brigitte Mourmouris

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18/10/2010 at 12:15 am
i have been at the new school for about 4 years now and still am. bill willock was trusted by all. but wat happend was very shocking i couldnt belive it at first but its true..
and yes their are male staff like bill left in the school i no it for sure. i went to mrs wells about it and she did nothing. ment to be helping us students but ur not ur just making our problems worse…

so someone actually posted on Wikipedia warning about paedophile-enabling behaviour at the school about 4 years before it was found out and Wikipedia didn't do anything just covered it up? NONE of the other editors noticed it going on that page for years? Nice... Reminds me of dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1344281/Facebook-suicide-None-Simone-Backs-1-082-online-friends-helped-her.html

Kinda looks like there may be some kind of paedophile ring for years, with the school and allegations repeatedly being removed in the Wikipedia history over years... someone should seriously investigate that omg... Sevenoaks, like London, is a place where there's lots of fat old men with lots of money...

Surprised this hasn't been picked up by anyone yet -.- Someone literally reported a real-life pedophile stuff going on at Wikipedia and their response was revert and not even tell anyone...