Beta M?, Former US Federal prisoner Options Rating

[Michaeldsuarez]

In February 2006, beta_m basically used Anarchopedia to archive the "BoyWiki":

http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/List_of_ar...on_Anarchopedia

Edit: Please note that this list doesn't included deleted pages that beta_m might've created.

This post has been edited by Michaeldsuarez: Wed 7th March 2012, 2:17pm

[lilburne]

Note the immediate cry of 'harassment' http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=68003918 .

Rather more up my street is that Free Speech is invoked as well. That should get the unthinking mob going around nodding wildly.

Censorship, free speech, harassment - and nobody will consider that the guy is openly using Wikimedia to promote his unusual personal views on child pornography.

Note from tarantinos link the Anarchists drummed him out pretty quick.
http://libcom.org/forums/libcommunity/anar...d-more-06122007

Do I get to use this?

Anarchists have rules after all.

Didn't you know that? They also ask permission to reuse copyright works too

[carbuncle]

Carbuncle, you are going down the wrong track. In the end, the issue for Wikimedia (wearing a Wiki hat) is not who he is, but what he did on Wikimedia, what his fellow apologists are doing, and what tracks have been covered up. They are using the "what happens off Wiki, stays off Wiki" line but Genil clearly is saying that the line was crossed, and the evidence of this has been deleted, and Beta_M is even saying "Yes, I did these things, where is the problem?"

Ah, but that isn't what Beta M is saying on Commons. It is what I would expect him to say, but he seems to be saying that he is not the person charged, which I find surprising. Then again, you may be saying that his activities on-wiki are enough to merit a ban, which is a harder case to make.

This post has been edited by carbuncle: Wed 7th March 2012, 2:41pm

[dogbiscuit]

Carbuncle, you are going down the wrong track. In the end, the issue for Wikimedia (wearing a Wiki hat) is not who he is, but what he did on Wikimedia, what his fellow apologists are doing, and what tracks have been covered up. They are using the "what happens off Wiki, stays off Wiki" line but Genil clearly is saying that the line was crossed, and the evidence of this has been deleted, and Beta_M is even saying "Yes, I did these things, where is the problem?"

Ah, but that isn't what Beta M is saying on Commons. It is what I would expect him to say, but he seems to be saying that he is not the person charged, which I find surprising. Then again, you may be saying that his activities on-wiki are enough to merit a ban, which is a harder case to make.

I note a major revision of his information, and then I presume an admin will hide further information. It makes you wonder who else is being protected in a similar way.

In the end, this came up because he is a self-promoting pornographer, complaining he is being censored, promoting his own porn site, and dishing out awards for people who likewise promote sexual material of dubious nature on Wikmedia.

He is not denying he is the anarchist pornographer, he is denying that he was the person jailed, though the trail from one to another via his own Internet posting seemed pretty complete to me.

[Peter Damian]

Ah, but that isn't what Beta M is saying on Commons. It is what I would expect him to say, but he seems to be saying that he is not the person charged, which I find surprising. Then again, you may be saying that his activities on-wiki are enough to merit a ban, which is a harder case to make.

While still in prison i've started a zine of poetry... Well, i've just put out 6th issue, and it's mostly too large to spread around through paper form for me. But at this address you can get a .pdf of it and print it out or just read it:
http://indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id...8&group=webcast
Also i can always use more poetry for the future issues, that can be either mailed to me or e-mailed (msg me for that info).
In addition to all this plz check out the web page that i've set up for the zine for now (its at When Gendarme Sleeps (http://gendarmesleeps.narod.ru) ) and let me know of any ideas that you have. Any links that you think i can add and anything else.
Free your mind and seek the truth. VolodyA! V Anarhist 08-04-2003, 09:41 AM http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/archive/i...hp/t-21720.html

In the prison i was in Ad Seg ment that you have not been found "True" on your infraction. While in there you are housed in the same part of the SHU as are PC (Protective Custody) people. After you have had the hearing and were given a "sentence" you are moved to D Sed (Disciplinary Segregation) for a turm that was decided on at the hearing. After D Seg you go back to Ad Seg until the bunk in your unit is empty and you can go back to the general population. Also sometimes Ad Seg was used for the transit inmates, especially for those who are of different security level than the prison and they sit there until the transport picks them up. And even sometimes when you arrive at the prison you are placed in Ad Seg, just to be sure. Like they put me there for 2 days to make sure that i wasn't suicidal (the SHU will make you suicidal if you aren't)...
Well i think that's all i have to say. Free your mind and seek the truth. ...............................VolodyA! V Anarhist PS The prison i was talking about is a federal prison in OH (FCI Elkton) http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/archive/i...hp/t-14339.html

Note that the website he mentions www.whengendarmesleeps.org/main.html is also linked to on his user page EN user page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=11543826

[carbuncle]

Volodya is totally opposed to non-consensual sexual relationships between children and adults:

Fellow, persons,

Yesterday it was known to me that Freedom Collective is considering to ban me from Freedom
Bookshop because of allegations that i support of childlove movement (sometimes referred
to ask 'paedophilia advocacy'). Because of the content of the e-mail that was sent to me i
believe that it started from an individual from one of the forums that i was recently
banned from (VF.net). I was banned from there after voicing my opinions on the issues of
ageism and childlove movement.

I was requested to clarify my stance on the issue for the Freedom Collective and i believe
that i have done so last night, here is the extract from what i've written:

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To tell you the truth, i don't really know what i believe about the childlove issue in
particular. My relevant beliefs on the issue can be shortly described as following:
1. I believe in freedom of speech.
2. I totally oppose ageism in any shape of form (even when it tries to hide itself as
"protecting our children").
3. I believe that childlove movement members are not allowed to express their views in an
open to discussion forum.
4. I believe that the only way to figure out what childlove movement is all about is to
have an open discussion about the issue.
5. I do not believe in "protectionism". (It isn't directly related to childlove, but many
people confuse this particular belief of mine with lack of support to the victims of
abuse. This is *not* the case.)
6. I did not, nor have any plans to advocate childlove movement through London Anarchist
Forum.
7. I would have tried to discuss the issue to see what people think if given an
opportunity before, but now i am not sure if i would even do that.

Please note that by childlove i by no means refer to child rapists or child molesters. I
am in complete opposition to any form of non-consensual relationships, whether or not they
include children or not, and whether or not they include sex or not.

Let me make it clear:
I am not now nor have been since my politics began developing supporting non-consentual
relationships.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I've also voiced my criticism of any type of "no platform policy", while saying that i
respect Freedom Collective's freedom to implement such a policy within their own collective.

The reason why i'm writing this e-mail is because i am afraid that some sort of campaign
has been launched against me, with the goal of tracking down political groups that i am
involved with and "helping them" to ban me. While i do believe that i have nothing to hide
about my politics, even when those politics are unpopular, i am trying to anticipate
further occurrences of the "smear campaign".

Free your mind and seek the truth.
- Volodya

P.S. I hope that Freedom will decide not to ban me, and i will see you all on the 31st.

This post has been edited by carbuncle: Wed 7th March 2012, 3:41pm

[Michaeldsuarez]

Volodya is totally opposed to non-consensual sexual relationships between children and adults:

In February 2006, Beta_M stated plainly and clearly that he supports the childlove movement "to a large extent":

http://eng.anarchopedia.org/index.php?titl...804&oldid=16803

The following probably reflects Beta_M's views on consent:

http://eng.anarchopedia.org/index.php?titl...ation&diff=3916

Beta_M supports the "freedom" to have child-adult sexual relationships, but he doesn't support rape.

This post has been edited by Michaeldsuarez: Wed 7th March 2012, 4:08pm

[carbuncle]

The following probably reflects Beta_M's views on consent:

http://eng.anarchopedia.org/index.php?titl...ation&diff=3916

Beta_M supports the "freedom" to have child-adult sexual relationships, but he doesn't support rape.

I'm not sure if the latter is Volodya's own words - it says "BoyWiki copy". His own words are damning enough.

[Michaeldsuarez]

The following probably reflects Beta_M's views on consent:

http://eng.anarchopedia.org/index.php?titl...ation&diff=3916

Beta_M supports the "freedom" to have child-adult sexual relationships, but he doesn't support rape.

I'm not sure if the latter is Volodya's own words - it says "BoyWiki copy". His own words are damning enough.

Here are his own words:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=20445787

This post has been edited by Michaeldsuarez: Wed 7th March 2012, 5:09pm

[tarantino]

Ah, but that isn't what Beta M is saying on Commons. It is what I would expect him to say, but he seems to be saying that he is not the person charged, which I find surprising. Then again, you may be saying that his activities on-wiki are enough to merit a ban, which is a harder case to make.

While still in prison i've started a zine of poetry... Well, i've just put out 6th issue, and it's mostly too large to spread around through paper form for me. But at this address you can get a .pdf of it and print it out or just read it:
http://indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id...8&group=webcast
Also i can always use more poetry for the future issues, that can be either mailed to me or e-mailed (msg me for that info).
In addition to all this plz check out the web page that i've set up for the zine for now (its at When Gendarme Sleeps (http://gendarmesleeps.narod.ru) ) and let me know of any ideas that you have. Any links that you think i can add and anything else.
Free your mind and seek the truth. VolodyA! V Anarhist 08-04-2003, 09:41 AM http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/archive/i...hp/t-21720.html

In the prison i was in Ad Seg ment that you have not been found "True" on your infraction. While in there you are housed in the same part of the SHU as are PC (Protective Custody) people. After you have had the hearing and were given a "sentence" you are moved to D Sed (Disciplinary Segregation) for a turm that was decided on at the hearing. After D Seg you go back to Ad Seg until the bunk in your unit is empty and you can go back to the general population. Also sometimes Ad Seg was used for the transit inmates, especially for those who are of different security level than the prison and they sit there until the transport picks them up. And even sometimes when you arrive at the prison you are placed in Ad Seg, just to be sure. Like they put me there for 2 days to make sure that i wasn't suicidal (the SHU will make you suicidal if you aren't)...
Well i think that's all i have to say. Free your mind and seek the truth. ...............................VolodyA! V Anarhist PS The prison i was talking about is a federal prison in OH (FCI Elkton) http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/archive/i...hp/t-14339.html

Note that the website he mentions www.whengendarmesleeps.org/main.html is also linked to on his user page EN user page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=11543826

And here VolodyA! V Anarhist said

I've spent 2 years and nine months in prison for posession
of child porn. And the fact that there was none of it on my
computer when it was confiscated didn't matter; trust me when
you are arrested for something like that you need a miracle not
to be found guilty (unless you are a judge or a cop).

[carbuncle]

And here VolodyA! V Anarhist said

I've spent 2 years and nine months in prison for posession
of child porn. And the fact that there was none of it on my
computer when it was confiscated didn't matter; trust me when
you are arrested for something like that you need a miracle not
to be found guilty (unless you are a judge or a cop).

He may be telling the truth about that, just not the whole truth:

Russian exchange student Vladimir Mozhenkov was arrested in December 1999 after federal agents traced more than 37 pornographic images that were posted on the Internet to a computer in one of Carroll College's computer labs.

When questioned about the images, Mozhenkov -- a computer lab monitor -- admitted to having child pornography on several ZIP disks and to using the computers owned by Carroll College, in addition to his personal computer, to distribute child pornography via the Internet.

Initially, Mozhenkov was charged with possessing child pornography and to distributing the material. The distributing charge was dropped as part of a plea agreement with federal prosecutors.

[HRIP7]

And here VolodyA! V Anarhist said

I've spent 2 years and nine months in prison for posession
of child porn. And the fact that there was none of it on my
computer when it was confiscated didn't matter; trust me when
you are arrested for something like that you need a miracle not
to be found guilty (unless you are a judge or a cop).

If he is claiming he is not Vladimir Mozhenkov, here he says:

Hello,
My name is Vladimir Vladimirovich Mozhenkov, I live in Russian Federation; and would like to demand that you act immediately in allowing the workers of the Cooperativa Sasetru Gestión Obrera (Sasetru Cooperative Under Workers' Management) to gain access to the plant of Sasetru. I demand the withdrawal of the police from the plant and the expropriation of the tools, machinery and premises in favor of the Cooperativa Sasetru Gestión Obrera.
¡VolodyA V Anarhist
V.V.M.

[HRIP7]

If he is claiming he is not Vladimir Mozhenkov, here he says:

Hello,
My name is Vladimir Vladimirovich Mozhenkov, I live in Russian Federation; and would like to demand that you act immediately in allowing the workers of the Cooperativa Sasetru Gestión Obrera (Sasetru Cooperative Under Workers' Management) to gain access to the plant of Sasetru. I demand the withdrawal of the police from the plant and the expropriation of the tools, machinery and premises in favor of the Cooperativa Sasetru Gestión Obrera.
¡VolodyA V Anarhist
V.V.M.

There is another report on the matter here (page has NSFW ads):

Russian student Vladimir Mozhenkov says he was coerced, under threat of arrest, into confessing to using a Carroll College computer to send child porn over the Internet. "I could either speak or get thrown in jail," he testified April 7. "I generally think of (police) as very harsh people. They don't care about you as human being."
The 19-year-old student has asked a federal judge to throw his confession out, as well as evidence said to link him to a Website providing sexually explicit photography of children, according to the Associated Press, which says no immediate ruling came down.

Federal law enforcement in Missouri reportedly downloaded 37 child porn photos from a Website and traced the source to Carroll, a Roman Catholic college. Mozhenkov claims a U.S. Customs agent and a computer expert forced him to talk and was not advised of his right to legal counsel before the coerced confession. He's been in jail in the case since January and faces seven years imprisonment and deportation if found guilty.

If he entered jail in January, and was in jail for two years and nine months, he would have gotten out in October 2002 or thereabouts, and arrived back in Russia shortly after.

He should really cut his losses and go quietly.

This post has been edited by HRIP7: Wed 7th March 2012, 5:37pm

[Michaeldsuarez]

Here's some of Beta_m early pedophile-related revisions to articles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...7&oldid=5367409

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...v&oldid=5377469

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...v&oldid=5444827

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...v&oldid=5762168

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=10736587

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=20127916

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=20127968

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=20128075

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=18245997

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=20128207

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=20128273

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=20481077

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=20560657

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=20625732

[Michaeldsuarez]

Here are Beta_m's early pedophilia-related talk page revisions:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...v&oldid=5444124

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...v&oldid=5464799

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...v&oldid=6565514

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...v&oldid=5742172

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...v&oldid=5759989

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...v&oldid=5793843

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...v&oldid=6145496

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=14450259

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=19707031

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=19871194

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=20459329

[mbz1]

It also created List of books portraying sexual relations between minors and adults

Hello, I believe that your summary, and thus the claim of the reached consensus on [[List of books portraying sexual relations between minors and adults]] delete is incorrect. While through pure numbers it may appear that '''delete''' has won (D13-K4-M1) i would like to point out that the deletion is not a democratic process where the majority automatically gets its way. In addition to that while keep votes were argumentative, many of delete ones have simply stated their desire to delete

[Tarc]

Here comes Rd232 calling to send the whole thing tumbling down the memory hole;

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=68017826

[mbz1]

Here's an interesting one http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=476101112

if we will start caving in to "somebody think of the children" crowd we might as well close the project.

[Michaeldsuarez]

Here comes Rd232 calling to send the whole thing tumbling down the memory hole;

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=68017826

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=68018793

{{comment}} The English Wikipedia arbitration committee has apparently reversed Geni's block of Beta M, a few minutes after Geni's opening of this thread here, with the comment [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beta_M&diff=480636175&oldid=480635994 "Block is already removed on Commons. Block was based on a faulty assumption and did not follow any established policy."] There doesn't seem any Commons policy that applies, and [[:en:Wikipedia:Child protection]] talks about problematic onwiki behaviour or "[editors] who identify themselves as pedophiles". This doesn't seem to apply here. In addition, that policy says "Comments posted on Wikipedia suggesting that an editor may be a pedophile will be RevDeleted promptly, to avoid issues of privacy and possible libel." I would suggest, in view of ArbCom's decision, that we do that here: delete the section and RevDelete old revisions that show it. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] ([[User talk:Rd232|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:02, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beta_M&diff=480622687&oldid=463769646 – You're quoting Beta_M, not ArbCom. I don't see any evidence that indicates that ArbCom reversed their decision. --[[User:Michaeldsuarez|Michaeldsuarez]] ([[User talk:Michaeldsuarez|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:15, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Rd232 is wrong. Rd232 isn't even quoting an ArbCom decision, and the block hasn't even been removed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...e=User%3ABeta_M

Also, Beta_M is a self-identifying "childlove" advocate. I don't see any reason to censor and RevDel the discussion. Quoting Beta_M's own words isn't libel.

[Selina]

yeah. really. ESPECIALLY gay males whose bitchiness can be aggression to the power of 10. and this is coming from the one that made wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bifemale.svg and wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bimale.svg which is on like a gazillion users' pages now - I think I was maybe THE most infamous bi fem on WP (*still* banned for my involvement in this site) anyone trying to pull that card-pulling crap on me woul get laughed at

(also was pushing against the paedophiles before anyon in charge actually started doing anything about it: wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:LGBT_notice_board/Archive_3#what_belongs_here "Deletion of pederasty-related topics is partisan, and you need to re-check the NPOV policy and guidelines before you (Mistress Selina Kyle, I'm looking at you) continue to remove these topics" .... yeeeaahhh. Thanks, 'Dave'

... I can't find that thread now where people were saying his user page on this Fæ guy's old account used to have childporn artwork on it too?)

this reminds me of the "Haiduc" paedophile who I argued wit ha few times before giving up (in the previous links), no one listened to me I saw what they were doing because it's exactly the same kind of slimy stuff PR companies do, it was only later WP actually did anything about the paedophiles pushing it (usually as "pederasty") - wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/block?page=User:Haiduc - and the articles still tainted - I just gave up on WP, they did a few bans for show when they were getting media attention about the networks of pedo users then continued to do nothing...




I just searched up google.com/search?q=site%3Awikipediareview. com+pedophiles+OR+pedophile+OR+paedophile+OR+paedophiles+OR+pedophilia+OR+paedop
hilia:

wikipediareview.com/?showtopic=30094 Commons and Pro-Pedophilia

wikipediareview.com/?showtopic=15438 Boy Scouts are for spanking?, More from Wales talk

wikipediareview.com/?showtopic=34313 Self-identified Pedophile blocks (2007)

From: (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:30:58 +0530
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Wikipedia e-mail -pedophilia

Fred Bauder wrote:
> I did, acting as an administrator, block one of these guys
> indefinitely, and got away with it. But I think I was flying under
> the radar, perhaps trading on my status. I don't think I did anything
> wrong and would support any administrator who blocks a pedophile
> advocate. The basis is disruption.

I agree with this completely.

This is a thorny issue, and I have little to add to it. We don't want a
witch hunt. We also don't want a huge press scandal.

It is inevitable that at some point a reporter is going to come to me
and tell me about a user I don't know about, asking "Why does Wikipedia
allow a self-confessed pedophile to edit articles about children?"

And my response is going to be: "O RLY? *block*"

I will use "disruption" as my reason or "useless editor" or whatever
seems to suit the circumstance.

At the same time, other than that [the media], I think our best approach is just
like our best approach with other types of problems:

1. Quiet diplomacy is good
2. Don't ask, don't tell is good

--Jimbo

THAT IS NOT WHAT DON'T ASK DON'T TELL IS MEANT TO BE USED FOR JIMMY. CHRIST. >:|

Look what you created, Jimbo.

Look what you created...

This post has been edited by Selina: Wed 7th March 2012, 7:09pm