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| Wikitaka |
Sun 25th March 2012, 10:39am
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For no reason, Xavexgoem protected the Muhammad RFC "to avoid SPIs", which is not a valid reason for semi-protection.
What else does Xavexgoem have on his record? |
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| Mister Die |
Mon 26th March 2012, 3:14am
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To me the problems arise when people aren't putting the photo in because it's a portrayal of Muhammad, but because they want to show how "uncensored" Wikipedia is. It's a bit like how so many articles on sexual issues have unnecessarily graphic photographs, often more than one. Ditto with some medical articles.
In these cases it isn't about encyclopedic quality (not like Wikipedia actually has that), but demonstrating how "free" Wikipedia is to annoy others. |
| HRIP7 |
Mon 26th March 2012, 8:20am
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To me the problems arise when people aren't putting the photo in because it's a portrayal of Muhammad, but because they want to show how "uncensored" Wikipedia is. It's a bit like how so many articles on sexual issues have unnecessarily graphic photographs, often more than one. Ditto with some medical articles. In these cases it isn't about encyclopedic quality (not like Wikipedia actually has that), but demonstrating how "free" Wikipedia is to annoy others. Quite. That's why you get people who can't tell the difference between sunnis and shiites, and who would interpret a reference to the Quran's light verse to mean that there must be a section with limericks in it, earnestly and passionately contributing to the debate. |
| Web Fred |
Mon 26th March 2012, 9:46am
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To me the problems arise when people aren't putting the photo in because it's a portrayal of Muhammad, but because they want to show how "uncensored" Wikipedia is. It's a bit like how so many articles on sexual issues have unnecessarily graphic photographs, often more than one. Ditto with some medical articles. In these cases it isn't about encyclopedic quality (not like Wikipedia actually has that), but demonstrating how "free" Wikipedia is to annoy others. Quite. That's why you get people who can't tell the difference between sunnis and shiites, and who would interpret a reference to the Quran's light verse to mean that there must be a section with limericks in it, earnestly and passionately contributing to the debate. During which time they get educated by those who do know what they're talking about. And there is one reason why Wikipedia can be a good thing ™. |
| HRIP7 |
Mon 26th March 2012, 2:49pm
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To me the problems arise when people aren't putting the photo in because it's a portrayal of Muhammad, but because they want to show how "uncensored" Wikipedia is. It's a bit like how so many articles on sexual issues have unnecessarily graphic photographs, often more than one. Ditto with some medical articles. In these cases it isn't about encyclopedic quality (not like Wikipedia actually has that), but demonstrating how "free" Wikipedia is to annoy others. Quite. That's why you get people who can't tell the difference between sunnis and shiites, and who would interpret a reference to the Quran's light verse to mean that there must be a section with limericks in it, earnestly and passionately contributing to the debate. During which time they get educated by those who do know what they're talking about. And there is one reason why Wikipedia can be a good thing ™. That can sometimes happen. ![]() |
| Wikitaka |
Thu 29th March 2012, 9:16am
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Why not use the Muhammad cartoon? Remember, Wikipedia is not censored.
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| Mister Die |
Thu 29th March 2012, 9:27am
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Why not use the Muhammad cartoon? Remember, Wikipedia is not censored. Filling the "War" article with tons of color photos of graphic mutilations, bodies after being destroyed by grenades, dead babies, etc. will demonstrate that Wikipedia isn't censored (at least not for the stuff it doesn't mind being uncensored), but it'll also demonstrate that it's incapable of being a responsible encyclopedia and instead serves as a shock site. It'd be like adding "Piss Christ" to the Jesus article. This post has been edited by Mister Die: Thu 29th March 2012, 9:29am |
| Fusion |
Thu 29th March 2012, 7:46pm
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"Not censored" doesn't mean "add anything (especially stuff religious adherents would find offensive) in for the hell of it as long as it's sorta related to the subject." I think that in Wikipedia terms that is exactly what it does mean. At least if people object to you doing such, others will come along and shout "Not censored", no? |
| Web Fred |
Thu 29th March 2012, 9:11pm
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"Not censored" doesn't mean "add anything (especially stuff religious adherents would find offensive) in for the hell of it as long as it's sorta related to the subject." I think that in Wikipedia terms that is exactly what it does mean. At least if people object to you doing such, others will come along and shout "Not censored", no? So the concept that we, as human beings, generally like to know what someone physically looks like, especially when being talked about is lost on you then? I don't know about you, but I'm interested in what he actually looked like. Isn't the point of encyclopaedias to answer questions like that? I do know its purpose isn't to kow tow to religious extremists (I was going to say nutters, but I didn't want Selina going after my nuts for it). |
Wikitaka Commons-hosted Muhammad Images Sun 25th March 2012, 10:39am
Web Fred
For no reason, Xavexgoem [url=http://en.wikipedia... Sun 25th March 2012, 11:18am
Tarc
For no reason, Xavexgoem protected the Muhammad R... Sun 25th March 2012, 1:01pm
Web Fred
[quote name='Wikitaka' post='303524' date='Sun 25... Sun 25th March 2012, 1:14pm
Tarc
[quote name='Tarc' post='303529' date='Sun 25th M... Sun 25th March 2012, 1:26pm
Web Fred
The RfC is going pretty much as I expected it to... Sun 25th March 2012, 1:33pm
GlassBeadGame
The RfC is going pretty much as I expected it t... Sun 25th March 2012, 2:16pm
Wikitaka What concerns me most is that so many users want W... Sun 25th March 2012, 6:54pm

Web Fred
What concerns me most is that so many users want ... Sun 25th March 2012, 6:58pm
Tarc
The 500,000 strong petition,with a "Wikimani... Sun 25th March 2012, 7:22pm
Somey [quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='303536' date='Su... Sun 25th March 2012, 7:36pm
GlassBeadGame
The 500,000 strong petition,with a "Wikiman... Sun 25th March 2012, 7:58pm
Proabivouac
[quote name='Tarc' post='303567' date='Sun 25th M... Sun 25th March 2012, 8:13pm
Tarc
[quote name='Tarc' post='303567' date='Sun 25th M... Sun 25th March 2012, 8:55pm
GlassBeadGame
[quote name='Tarc' post='303567' date='Sun 25th ... Sun 25th March 2012, 9:10pm
Tarc
[quote name='Tarc' post='303587' date='Sun 25th M... Sun 25th March 2012, 9:23pm
GlassBeadGame
and their request was denied.
Yes, by a couple... Sun 25th March 2012, 9:29pm
Selina User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 96 #After SOPA, Muha... Sun 25th March 2012, 9:12pm
Selina Caling people racist in a discussion without any k... Sun 25th March 2012, 9:47pm
Selina (Mod note: Moved the steadily rolling GBGvTarc tra... Sun 25th March 2012, 10:43pm
Tarc
To me the problems arise when people aren't p... Mon 26th March 2012, 6:02am

Mister Die I don't know about you, but I'm interested... Fri 30th March 2012, 12:06am

Fusion
So the concept that we, as human beings, generall... Sat 31st March 2012, 8:13pm

Web Fred
[quote name='Web Fred' post='303805' date='Thu 29... Sat 31st March 2012, 9:12pm

Fusion
It doesn't really matter what some people... Sun 1st April 2012, 2:08pm

Web Fred
It doesn't really matter what some people... Sun 1st April 2012, 2:31pm
Web Fred
Why not use the Muhammad cartoon? Remember, Wikip... Thu 29th March 2012, 9:36am
Wikitaka
Why not use the Muhammad cartoon? Remember, Wiki... Thu 29th March 2012, 12:17pm
Tarc The "images are included to purposefully offe... Thu 29th March 2012, 9:32pm
Web Fred
The "images are included to purposefully off... Thu 29th March 2012, 9:38pm
Ottava I think this is similar to Wikipedia hosting a pic... Mon 2nd April 2012, 2:27pm
jsalsman I used to be for including images until I found ou... Thu 5th April 2012, 2:02am
Proabivouac
I used to be for including images until I found o... Thu 5th April 2012, 5:13am
Web Fred
I used to be for including images until I found o... Thu 5th April 2012, 7:37am

Fusion
By all accounts the real Jesus was black.
That i... Thu 5th April 2012, 11:31am

Web Fred
By all accounts the real Jesus was black.
That ... Thu 5th April 2012, 11:46am
Bottled_Spider I used to be for including images until I found ou... Thu 5th April 2012, 10:36am

Detective
the image of him in Western society and culture s... Thu 5th April 2012, 8:49pm

jsalsman You mean you actually thought there could be conte... Sat 7th April 2012, 1:18am

Bottled_Spider You mean you actually thought there could be conte... Sat 7th April 2012, 10:26am
Tarc
I used to be for including images until I found o... Thu 5th April 2012, 4:39pm
Somey So you used to be enlightened, but then became cor... Thu 5th April 2012, 11:01pm
Web Fred If you're a legitimate "encyclopedia,... Fri 6th April 2012, 9:06am

Somey If moslems want to dictate terms then they should ... Fri 6th April 2012, 9:17am

Web Fred
Mind you, I'm not a Muslim, in fact I don... Fri 6th April 2012, 9:55am

Mister Die And no, I'm not anti-moslem, at least no more ... Fri 6th April 2012, 1:47pm


Web Fred
And no, I'm not anti-moslem, at least no more... Fri 6th April 2012, 2:51pm


Mister Die The other thing I can't get my head around is ... Fri 6th April 2012, 2:55pm


Web Fred
The other thing I can't get my head around is... Fri 6th April 2012, 3:17pm

HRIP7
[quote name='Somey' post='304006' date='Fri 6th A... Mon 9th April 2012, 10:00pm
Tarc
[quote name='Tarc' post='303985' date='Thu 5th Ap... Fri 6th April 2012, 5:19pm

Somey Somey, you ignorant prat. I was targeted by the J... Fri 6th April 2012, 6:30pm


Tarc
Well, that's one way of defining "anti-M... Fri 6th April 2012, 7:45pm


Somey It is a shit argument borne of desperation.
So, yo... Sat 7th April 2012, 8:20am


Emperor
So, the whole idea of iconoclasm (and the histori... Sun 8th April 2012, 1:06pm



Proabivouac
So, the whole idea of iconoclasm (and the histor... Sun 8th April 2012, 9:48pm



Somey Meaningful ideological reasons for the prohibition... Wed 11th April 2012, 6:37am



Web Fred
Generally speaking, the early Muslims rejected m... Wed 11th April 2012, 8:57am


jsalsman ... nobody ever really competed to see who could ... Sun 8th April 2012, 4:35pm


Tarc Anyway, long story short...
Rule 11, Somey. Rul... Mon 9th April 2012, 4:36pm


Somey The way you want this situation to resolve simply ... Mon 9th April 2012, 5:37pm


Tarc
You misunderstand - I don't [i]want this situ... Tue 10th April 2012, 7:01pm


Somey Don't word-parse m'boy, it isn't your ... Tue 10th April 2012, 10:12pm


Tarc
[quote name='Tarc' post='304127' date='Tue 10th A... Wed 11th April 2012, 2:20pm


Web Fred
People don't have a right to be free of offen... Wed 11th April 2012, 3:52pm


Somey Perhaps if that person had actually made a logical... Wed 11th April 2012, 7:06pm


Tarc
[quote name='Tarc' post='304145' date='Wed 11th A... Wed 11th April 2012, 8:13pm



Fusion
But no, you presume that people insist on keeping... Wed 11th April 2012, 9:17pm



Somey But no, you presume that people insist on keeping ... Wed 11th April 2012, 11:07pm



Bottled_Spider I'd ask "how can you not see this," ... Thu 12th April 2012, 10:21am



Tarc
But no, you presume that people insist on keeping... Thu 12th April 2012, 12:34pm



Proabivouac
I believe that an encyclopedia is crippled if it ... Thu 12th April 2012, 3:21pm




HRIP7
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that as... Thu 12th April 2012, 6:25pm



Somey I believe that an encyclopedia is crippled if it d... Thu 12th April 2012, 5:57pm



Tarc
[quote name='Tarc' post='304174' date='Thu 12th A... Fri 13th April 2012, 2:35pm



Somey I have been making that argument for years, not my... Fri 13th April 2012, 10:25pm


Web Fred
Perhaps if that person had actually made a logica... Thu 12th April 2012, 8:57am



Fusion
Why is it automatically assumed that the minority... Thu 12th April 2012, 10:25am



Web Fred
And it's not as if the Muslims are that much... Thu 12th April 2012, 10:36am


dtobias
That's some solid binary thinking there, Mr. ... Thu 12th April 2012, 8:38pm


Web Fred
[quote name='Somey' post='304150' date='Wed 11th ... Fri 13th April 2012, 9:25am

Detective
I was targeted by the Jayjg Cabal and held up as ... Sat 7th April 2012, 3:19pm
HRIP7
So you used to be enlightened, but then became co... Mon 9th April 2012, 9:51pm
Mister Die Jesus is given the "WASP" treatment beca... Thu 5th April 2012, 1:54pm
Web Fred
Jesus is given the "WASP" treatment bec... Thu 5th April 2012, 2:16pm
Bottled_Spider Why don't they just dig up Muhammed's skul... Fri 6th April 2012, 11:29am
Emperor Having images of some dude hanging all over every ... Fri 6th April 2012, 6:13pm
Mister Die Well the portrait for King Richard III (at least t... Fri 6th April 2012, 8:26pm
Bottled_Spider After giving this most difficult of subjects consi... Fri 6th April 2012, 8:58pm
Emperor "blitzed our burgeoning discussion"? Wh... Fri 13th April 2012, 3:15pm
Tarc
"blitzed our burgeoning discussion"? W... Fri 13th April 2012, 6:53pm![]() ![]() |
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