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post Wed 4th April 2012, 11:43am
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post Wed 4th April 2012, 8:01pm
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I just tried to read some more. So boring. NewYorkBrad really needs his head examined. He should be billing $200/hour to deal with life-sucking crap like this.
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post Wed 4th April 2012, 8:49pm
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I just tried to read some more. So boring. NewYorkBrad really needs his head examined. He should be billing $200/hour to deal with life-sucking crap like this.

I agree - as far as the discussion itself is concerned, "boring" and "life-sucking" are putting it mildly. But the subtext here is what's interesting. The real ongoing conflict on Wikipedia has never been between "inclusionists" and "deletionists," or even "free culture" vs. "content standards" (which to some of them amounts to the same thing). The real conflict is between bots and humans, and the people in the middle are the ones programming the bots, like Rich Farmbrough. It's a behind-the-scenes conflict that most people don't understand or even know about, but the winner (if there ever is one) is going to determine the long-term future of Wikipedia.

The reason for this is hard to make sense of, but to be as concise as possible, it goes like this. "Vandals" provide fuel for "vandal fighters," and human vandal-fighting is essential to Wikipedia because it allows the hierarchy of established users to give new, less-talented writers and "editors" a means of in-game reputational development, starting their addictions a-rolling while conveniently shunting them off into an activity that doesn't mess up any actual content or impinge on already-established territories. But most vandal-fighting activity has already been replaced by bots, thus cutting off a key avenue to recruitment. As the bots get "smarter," vandal-fighting will become increasingly difficult and less game-like, which will only further that process.

And yet Wikipedia can't afford to be seen as putting the brakes on bot development in general, because that would look irresponsible, as if they're simply "letting the vandals win." So, their solution is to paint the bot developers as "irresponsible" themselves, effectively putting on those brakes while also addressing (albeit dishonestly) their real problem.

As humans, we tend to root for humans in human-machine conflicts - but I'm afraid this is a case where the humans are the bad guys. The machines/bots (and their developers), while also bad guys, are at least doing the right thing - even though it's probably for the wrong reason. And, of course, their mistakes are also magnified by virtue of sheer volume.
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Wikitaka   Rich Farmbrough, Bot Developer   Wed 4th April 2012, 11:43am
Emperor   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ARB...Rich...   Wed 4th April 2012, 1:34pm
Wikitaka   [quote name='Wikitaka' post='303952' date='Wed 4t...   Wed 4th April 2012, 2:11pm
Emperor   Ok I glanced at it for like 30 seconds. The confl...   Wed 4th April 2012, 3:32pm
Somey   There's a lot of misquoting going on there. In...   Wed 4th April 2012, 6:25pm
Elara   The implication here is that on Wikipedia, damage...   Sun 8th April 2012, 10:08am
Bottled_Spider   I just tried to read some more. So boring. NewYo...   Wed 4th April 2012, 8:45pm
Bottled_Spider   As humans, we tend to root for humans in human-mac...   Wed 4th April 2012, 9:14pm
Emperor   I just tried to read some more. So boring. NewY...   Thu 5th April 2012, 2:22pm
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='Somey' post='303962' date='Wed 4th A...   Sat 7th April 2012, 4:21pm
Emperor   I believe we're in the sunset era of open wi...   Fri 26th October 2012, 10:42pm
Web Fred   Didn't read it. My eyes glaze over at even the...   Thu 5th April 2012, 7:44am
EricBarbour   Farmbrough is a character/refugee from one of thos...   Sun 8th April 2012, 7:57am
Web Fred   It's simple. Wikipedia is a small society tha...   Sun 8th April 2012, 12:05pm
Mr.Treason II   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ARB...Rich...   Thu 12th July 2012, 6:03am
chrisoff   [quote name='Wikitaka' post='303952' date='Wed 4t...   Tue 11th September 2012, 12:51am


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