MONGO quits, The cabal loses another one Options

[poopooball]

good riddance to 1 of teh wordt wp has.

[Somey]

Oh, he'll be back... He does this every couple of weeks! He just forgot to delete and protect his user page the last several dozen times.

But when he says "trolling wins," he isn't referring to us, is he? He can always ignore us, I should think. Our ignoring him (and others like him) is a bit more difficult - he's the main reason several of us are here!

Still, I'll support moving any genuinely offensive MONGO-related material to the Tar Pit (or the trash), of course, if he's serious this time... There isn't really that much of it here, though, in my opinion. I'll check, but other than our speculating on the true nature of his Federal employment, I don't think there's anything much worse than the usual "he's a terrible admin" sort of thing. Hey, we say that about practically all of them, right?

[poopooball]

true but he is coming close to being desyssed in tehnew arbcomm case taht is ongoing too. even if he comes back hell be back with less power and cahnce to bully ppl.

and tihs thread is not intrnded for teh 'mongo did wtc' crowd nor do i suggest tuning it into one.

[Somey]

true but he is coming close to being desyssed in tehnew arbcomm case taht is ongoing too. even if he comes back hell be back with less power and cahnce to bully ppl.

Ah, well... The people responsible for the ArbCom case must be the "trolls," then. Whew! For one ghastly moment there, I thought he didn't love us anymore!

and tihs thread is not intrnded for teh 'mongo did wtc' crowd nor do i suggest tuning it into one.

Agreed. This whole thing about him being behind the massive international 9/11 conspiracy, well... that's just a crock of BS, isn't it? Everyone knows it was evil criminal mastermind Rainbow Brite who destroyed the Twin Towers, along with her nasty little friends Hello Kitty, and "Po" from the Teletubbies. (I also believe actress Claudine Longet was somehow involved.)


Dang, that's twice I've used that sort of gag in the last two weeks... I'm becoming really predictable, aren't I?

[Herschelkrustofsky]

good riddance to 1 of teh wordt wp has.

But, in today's version of the page, it looks like the same group of shills is assembling that begged SlimVirgin not to leave during her tantrum.

[Somey]

Oh, I think I get it now! Have I got this right? Apparently there a bunch of 9/11 conspiracy theorists are hopping mad at MONGO and another admin named "Seabhcan," for insulting and banning a large proportion of them - and also the folks at Encyclopedia Dramatica are still upset with him for his ill-considered "trolling" efforts over there. So now, in addition to the ArbCom case against Seabhcan for being uncivil to the former group, in which Dmcdevit suggested that MONGO be de-opped, all the ED'ers have launched a big sock puppet lynch-mob campaign against him, correct? And he's upset because the other admins won't help him out more than they have been?

Am I even close?

It's too bad, really. If only there were a way to get these folks to resign from Wikipedia out of compassion for others, and remorse for their actions, rather than just the sheer weight, size, and ferocity of the opposition.

And I couldn't help noticing:

Good luck in your future endeavors, and I respect your decision to quit. I've thought about doing the same thing on several occasions.

Hope springs eternal!

[guy]

But, in today's version of the page, it looks like the same group of shills is assembling that begged SlimVirgin not to leave during her tantrum.

And it worked - she didn't quit.

[anon1234]

MONGO is one of the biggest jerks on Wikipedia -- in the top 5. I think he is just leaving temporarily to gain attention or sympathy like those attention whores who made a big deal about leaving wikipedia a few months ago only to come back in 2 days. Wikipedia is such a soap opera -- but it is almost a necessity that it is is a soap opera for those who spend so much of their lives on it and need the stimulation or meaning or sense of superiority. In a way, it is merely livejournal for the nerdy crowd. Meh.

[LamontStormstar]

MONGO's still has his admin powers.


This post has been edited by LamontStormstar: Tue 2nd January 2007, 3:17am

[CrazyGameOfPoker]

Oh, I think I get it now! Have I got this right? Apparently there a bunch of 9/11 conspiracy theorists are hopping mad at MONGO and another admin named "Seabhcan," for insulting and banning a large proportion of them - and also the folks at Encyclopedia Dramatica are still upset with him for his ill-considered "trolling" efforts over there. So now, in addition to the ArbCom case against Seabhcan for being uncivil to the former group, in which Dmcdevit suggested that MONGO be de-opped, all the ED'ers have launched a big sock puppet lynch-mob campaign against him, correct? And he's upset because the other admins won't help him out more than they have been?

Am I even close?

I'm not sure if Cplot was an ED sock or not, but it might have been that way.

You also forgot one other group, the Wikipedians who hated Mongo getting a free pass during the last ArbCom case, and made it their duty to get Mongo desysopped during this one...

Also, a rare slapping on Fred Bauder by TravisB, pointing out that while Freddy was writing another free pass for MONGO and condemn Seabachan, that Seabachan hadn't actually yet posted any counter evidence on the page and was on vacation. (see findings 2 through 5)

[Somey]

Interesting. So the ED'ers weren't really all that involved, then? They'd moved on to bigger and better things already, mostly forgetting about MONGO's attempts to, uh, do whatever he was trying to do over there? (Which may be the biggest mystery of all, now that I think about it...)

I'm not sure if I should apologize to the ED'ers for misassuming, or chide them for not following up!

I've seen first-hand that on a wiki, a person can become a highly divisive and troublesome figure even with the best of intentions. The problem seems to be that intentions, at least in that context, are largely meaningless. Even the actions themselves are immaterial at the end of the day... The essential thing is the effect of the person's actions - if the effect is to produce ill-will, general discord, "drama," and increased enmity from outside sources, then you get turned into a scapegoat, and everyone just piles on.

After that, people see the results of the person having stuck his neck out, and fewer people stick their necks out. It's a key part of the process whereby wikis are taken over by people who are better at "gaming the system" than they could ever possibly be at things like writing, editing, or researching.

Oh, there I go, getting all philosophical again! We should start a poll on how long it will take for MONGO to be de-opped... If they manage to do it before Christmas, they could put a nice pink ribbon on his user page and call it their "gift to the interwebs."

[LamontStormstar]

Looking at MONGO's talk page, his false goodbye got a lot of responses.

This post has been edited by LamontStormstar: Tue 2nd January 2007, 3:18am

[FNORD23]

MONGO really let his POV on 9/11 'conspiracy theories' and other topics dear-to-his-heart, like George Bush, get the better of him. He frequently violated NPA and CIVIL himself, encouraged and cheered-on similar behavior from his cohorts like Morton Devonshire, but would punish others with opposing POV's for the slightest infraction.

I really didn't peg him for a 'cut and run' 'surrender monkey' though. (using descriptions MONGO would have used if he could have gotten away with it)

This post has been edited by FNORD23: Sat 9th December 2006, 9:11pm

[LamontStormstar]

About everyone who signed MONGO's talk page saying it was bad for him to go was who is egging him on.

This post has been edited by LamontStormstar: Tue 2nd January 2007, 3:18am

[Yehudi]

No doubt this is old news to most of you, but in my brief time on Wikipedia I have noticed how even (if not especially) the worst people have amazing cliques of followers.

[guy]

No doubt this is old news to most of you

I'm afraid it is, but anyway welcome to you and to FNORD23.

[Backfire]

mongo bongo has just re-created his userpage and making a few edits, says he is only going to do minor things and not sure if he wants to be on Wikipedia right now.

The pattern of behavior is predictable. Take SarahPoodleVirgin. She storms out in an angry huff, there is a ritual flurry of "oh please don't go, we love you here at Wikipedia, we need you here, have a barnstar, have a pizza, have a bigfootogram, we LOVE you, don't let the trolls win". She re-creates her userpage with a sickening display of barnstars and other ego-boosting "me me me, I'm important" decorations, and makes a few minor edits. Within a week she is back in full 24/7 wiki-addiction.

Mongo bongo will be back on a 24/7 basis by Christmas if not before. His type of personality is so predictable and obvious.

[LamontStormstar]

mongo bongo has just re-created his userpage and making a few edits, says he is only going to do minor things and not sure if he wants to be on Wikipedia right now.

The pattern of behavior is predictable. Take SarahPoodleVirgin. She storms out in an angry huff, there is a ritual flurry of "oh please don't go, we love you here at Wikipedia, we need you here, have a barnstar, have a pizza, have a bigfootogram, we LOVE you, don't let the trolls win". She re-creates her userpage with a sickening display of barnstars and other ego-boosting "me me me, I'm important" decorations, and makes a few minor edits. Within a week she is back in full 24/7 wiki-addiction.

Mongo bongo will be back on a 24/7 basis by Christmas if not before. His type of personality is so predictable and obvious.

See MONGO's talk page.

This post has been edited by LamontStormstar: Mon 27th August 2007, 7:14pm

[Somey]

Well, there you go!

Of course, I think it's important to note here that the reason MONGO can be said to be "trolling" in this case is because he's encouraging the very behavior he's seemingly so upset about, and thereby making things worse for everyone else, including the people who are inexplicably trying to get him to stick around.

In other words, a legitimate, and smart, Wikipedia admin who really cared about the well-being of the website would never post the statement, "trolling wins" - simply because the act of doing that makes the statement true. He simply handed them a victory. The correct way to handle it would have been to just protect his user page and disappear for a while, or at least scale back his activities, with no scene-making. Instead, by making a spectacle of himself and fishing for sympathy, he puts everyone else in the position of either supporting him (bad) or becoming one of his enemies (worse) simply by virtue of their having not asked him to "please stay." Thereby, he divides the community into pro-MONGO and anti-MONGO, effectively making them fight each other, which is (according to Jimbo) what "trolls" do.

So yes, MONGO is trolling.

[CrazyGameOfPoker]

We'll see how it goes from now. The majority of arbitrators support desysopping MONGO in the Sebachan case. When it closes, he's gone.

If he wants it back, that means RFA, and judging by the ArbCom voting...that's not going to happen.