JzG (Guy Chapman), How he helps Wikipedia Options

[thekohser]

Napoleon has been indef blocked by Picaroon9288.

Is he a sockpuppet of banned user Napoleon, or is that too obvious?

My sources indicate it is, indeed, a sockpuppet.

I also have reason to believe that the following are sockpuppet, single-purpose accounts:

GeniBot
TwerpKnuck
GiveTheGuyAChance

I guess the world will never know how JzG (Guy Chapman) would have responded to the question of how so many other professionals have been "suckered" by Centiare.

It really makes me sick how COWARDLY the hive is. Just remove all traces of any Talk page criticism, under the guise of "protecting" the encyclopedia. So unless someone with some courage steps up, the Akashic Records will forever declare (according to JzG), Centiare "looks to be dead in the water".

Strange, our site traffic stats would argue otherwise -- this past week, they were at a two-month high. Alexa confirms our ranking growth, too.

I guess I'll be adding another Wikipedia admin to my "Eat It" list.

Greg

[thekohser]

I saw something on the road yesterday. I was driving my family to a municipal park along a very narrow, winding, rural road. Our vehicle found itself behind a couple of cyclists -- they looked serious -- fancy racing bikes, shoes clipped to pedals, spandex shorts, etc. In other words, the male cyclist could have been Guy Chapman in America.

Because the road was narrow and curvy, and my family wasn't in any kind of hurry, we just paced ourselves behind the cyclists until a safe place appeared for passing. In the interim, we came through two Stop signs. In each case, the cyclists just blew right through the intersections without even slowing down. Granted, I think they could have stopped if they saw that a vehicle was at the crossroad, and I can understand their desire not to lose momentum on the hilly terrain. But, it did get me to thinking...

1. Why would I never even dream of blowing through two Stop signs like that in my car?
2. Is it acceptable for cyclists to do this, given the situation I described?
3. Most importantly, how do you think Guy Chapman addresses Stop signs when he is out cycling? Is he a stickler for rules and stops firmly at every one; or does he give the world a big "F. You and your mythical female opera composers" and plow through any Stop sign where his life wouldn't be otherwise immediately threatened by a motorcar?

Maybe JzG will answer this for us.

Greg

This post has been edited by thekohser: Sun 22nd July 2007, 8:14pm

[the fieryangel]

Another interesting JzG anecdote: It would appear that he's spreading word about WR on French WP . Unfortunately, there is not policy against WR on French WP, so his point is rather, uh, moot...Maybe he'll link "cambriolleur de crôtes" to "homosexuel" there too, just to be helpful...

[BobbyBombastic]

Site spécialisé dans la critique de Wikipédia.

i like the French description of what we do here

[The Joy]

Another interesting JzG anecdote: It would appear that he's spreading word about WR on French WP . Unfortunately, there is not policy against WR on French WP, so his point is rather, uh, moot...Maybe he'll link "cambriolleur de crôtes" to "homosexuel" there too, just to be helpful...

I can't tell. Was the quote restored?

Typically, the other WPs don't care about policies on other WPs, particularly the English one.

If I were a French Wikipedian, I'd be hopping mad that some person outside the community would come in and enforce an English WP policy and MONGO ArbCom decision on my community.

How would the English Wikipedians like it if the French Wikipedian made them enforce Fr. WP's rules?

Very disturbing that he got away with that without a fight (at least from what French I can read, I'm more of a Spanish person myself).

[Somey]

If I were a French Wikipedian, I'd be hopping mad that some person outside the community would come in and enforce an English WP policy and MONGO ArbCom decision on my community.

That link had been in place for almost a year before being cruelly, horrifyingly, and mercilessly slaughtered by the insidious JzG. It had been put there by one of French Wikipedia's more long-term and (from what I can tell) respected contributors, Utilisateur:Almak, who now must bear the shame of having been sneeringly reverted by some irritable and depressed English person whose only known photo shows him wearing spandex pants on a recumbent bicycle.

Initially, Almak added Wikipedia-Watch as a "Criticism of Wikipedia" link:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...v&oldid=6284104

...But it was de-linked by Utilisateur:Korg, an admin, shortly thereafter:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...t&oldid=6794345

Almak then replaced the de-linked WW reference with WR on April 23rd, 2006:

http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...t&oldid=6868026

[GoodFaith]

Wasn't Guy Chapman that guy who married Amy Grant?

[Somey]

Wasn't Guy Chapman that guy who married Amy Grant?

That was Gary Chapman. Guy Chapman married the late Graham Chapman.

[LamontStormstar]

I can't tell. Was the quote restored?

Typically, the other WPs don't care about policies on other WPs, particularly the English one.

If I were a French Wikipedian, I'd be hopping mad that some person outside the community would come in and enforce an English WP policy and MONGO ArbCom decision on my community.

How would the English Wikipedians like it if the French Wikipedian made them enforce Fr. WP's rules?

Very disturbing that he got away with that without a fight (at least from what French I can read, I'm more of a Spanish person myself).

A lot of the same admins and people pass back and forth between English and German wikipedias, however.

[The Joy]

A lot of the same admins and people pass back and forth between English and German wikipedias, however.

Well, as long as they don't invade the Polish WP and then takeover the French WP, I guess we shouldn't be too concerned?

We will fight them on the beaches! We will fight them in the streets! We will defend our tiny Wiki, no matter what the cost may be!

[Viridae]

Wow. I was not previously aware that "British sense of humour" equals "sarcastic, misanthropic abuse". Still, I have a suspicion that many Scots and Welsh would react to Chapman/Guy/JzG's use of the word "British" here with a hearty "Fuck off, you English ponce!"

I found that incredibly amusing.

Well, the return of Gregory Kohs to editing Wikipedia sure didn't last long. Not with Guy Chapman flying around with his impermeable cape of admin-bit destruction. In mere minutes, he:

Re-blocked me;
erased my talk page;
erased a multi-referenced stub that I created about performance artist Liz Cohen;
erased some excellent editorial improvements that I had made to the article about the Czech Air Force;
but apparently left this edit alone;
deleted an article about the firm Wikipedia Review that had been created and kept by consensus WHILE I HAD BEEN BANNED, with no input from me.

Feel better, Guy?

My contact on the Wikimedia Board has been notified. We'll see if the sh*tstorm that I predicted shall ensue. It comes down to this:

Which is more decisive --

a Jimmy Wales unblock and support from one Board member...
- - OR - -
a community ban and a hyper-vindictive Guy on a bicycle?

Place your bets!

(Seriously, this would make for some good wagering.)

All because Durova (practically) calls me a liar, says she has proof of it, then won't e-mail it to me (even from a throw-away account). If this childishness stands, this is going to be the first chapter in my book that's going to make me a fortune: Wikidrama.

Greg

The Liz Cohen article is now restored. Stupid reason to delete a perfectly valid article.

[thekohser]

The Liz Cohen article is now restored. Stupid reason to delete a perfectly valid article.

Mighty nice of you, Viridae. Liz Cohen is someone I reached out to, to see if she would consent to a Directory page on Centiare. She approved, and she's been so impressed with the page, she now names it as her "home page" in her e-mail signature. We transacted no money on this. Liz got a home page, and Centiare got some traffic. Also note, I entered the Wikipedia stub before it ever dawned on me that a Centiare page could be more fitting for Liz, so there was no "conflict of interest" in my creating the Wikipedia stub about her.

I think there's about a 30% chance that the Wikipedia stub will get deleted again, as soon as Guy Chapman finds out. If an external link to Liz's Centiare page is ever added to the Wikipedia article, that would bump the odds of deletion to 80%, since that would set off User:Calton's red alert sensors.

Of course, I personally won't be touching the Wikipedia stub with a 10-foot pole; but many thanks for restoring it and Ignoring All (Stupid) Rules.

P.S. If the Wikipedia stub stays in place, this might be a good control/test case of seeing how Google and Yahoo prioritize each page in searches for "Liz Cohen", "performance artist + Trabant", "Trabant + El Camino", or "Creative Capital + bikini model", etc. Will Centiare beat out Wikipedia? I doubt it can on the plain "Liz Cohen" search (Wikipedia is too powerful with name association), but it might on some of the more targeted searches.

Greg

[thekohser]

What is Guy doing to his User page and his Talk page? How is the average human supposed to communicate with him now? Is he essentially saying that he is an admin who may not be talked to?

Are there other precedents on Wikipedia for this? Is he gone now? Left without saying good-bye?

Greg

[the fieryangel]

What is Guy doing to his User page and his Talk page? How is the average human supposed to communicate with him now? Is he essentially saying that he is an admin who may not be talked to?

Are there other precedents on Wikipedia for this? Is he gone now? Left without saying good-bye?

Greg

I'm not sure about precedents, but it was absolutely the right thing for him to do. Hopefully, he'll never come back.

[Viridae]

What is Guy doing to his User page and his Talk page? How is the average human supposed to communicate with him now? Is he essentially saying that he is an admin who may not be talked to?

Are there other precedents on Wikipedia for this? Is he gone now? Left without saying good-bye?

Greg

Its a pretty standard action when a user wishes to leave the project. Look up "right to vanish" on meta.

Edit: Fuckit - i signed this post with tildes. Anyway - judging by his final post to the talk page, he hast left. But i wont really believe that until I see his request for removal of administrative privelages.



This post has been edited by Viridae: Tue 7th August 2007, 8:07am

[thekohser]

I'm not sure about precedents, but it was absolutely the right thing for him to do. Hopefully, he'll never come back.

I think his utterly failed August 3rd attempt to get the [[Panty raid]] article deleted may have been the beginning of the end for Guy Chapman on Wikipedia.

It's typical of Guy, that he would nominate for complete deletion an article about a very common social phenomenon, just because it lacked sources. Instead of spending 10 minutes to find some sources and attribute them to the article's facts, it's so much easier to snobbishly enter the forum, wave your magic wand, and call for the removal of the "clutter" in one's own, personal encyclopedia.

If Guy Chapman can grow weary of Wikipedia, that's a huge sign that things are falling apart.

Greg

[Viridae]

I'm not sure about precedents, but it was absolutely the right thing for him to do. Hopefully, he'll never come back.

I think his utterly failed August 3rd attempt to get the [[Panty raid]] article deleted may have been the beginning of the end for Guy Chapman on Wikipedia.

It's typical of Guy, that he would nominate for complete deletion an article about a very common social phenomenon, just because it lacked sources. Instead of spending 10 minutes to find some sources and attribute them to the article's facts, it's so much easier to snobbishly enter the forum, wave your magic wand, and call for the removal of the "clutter" in one's own, personal encyclopedia.

If Guy Chapman can grow weary of Wikipedia, that's a huge sign that things are falling apart.

Greg

I disagree with the last part. He hasn't been getting his way, has been under attack from all sides for his increasingly erratic behaviour and so has thrown a tantrum and left.

This post has been edited by Viridae: Tue 7th August 2007, 1:33pm

[Unrepentant Vandal]

I'm not sure about precedents, but it was absolutely the right thing for him to do. Hopefully, he'll never come back.

I think his utterly failed August 3rd attempt to get the [[Panty raid]] article deleted may have been the beginning of the end for Guy Chapman on Wikipedia.

It's typical of Guy, that he would nominate for complete deletion an article about a very common social phenomenon, just because it lacked sources. Instead of spending 10 minutes to find some sources and attribute them to the article's facts, it's so much easier to snobbishly enter the forum, wave your magic wand, and call for the removal of the "clutter" in one's own, personal encyclopedia.

If Guy Chapman can grow weary of Wikipedia, that's a huge sign that things are falling apart.

Greg

I disagree with the last part. He hasn't been getting his way, has been under attack from all sides for his increasingly erratic behaviour and so has thrown a tantrum and left.

If you want to hear more about Guy Chapman, feel free to google "safespeed" and ask at their forum. Or search usenet.

This is absolutely normal behaviour for Mr. Chapman. I fear he is not entirely stable.

[thekohser]

I'm not sure about precedents, but it was absolutely the right thing for him to do. Hopefully, he'll never come back.

I think his utterly failed August 3rd attempt to get the [[Panty raid]] article deleted may have been the beginning of the end for Guy Chapman on Wikipedia.

It's typical of Guy, that he would nominate for complete deletion an article about a very common social phenomenon, just because it lacked sources. Instead of spending 10 minutes to find some sources and attribute them to the article's facts, it's so much easier to snobbishly enter the forum, wave your magic wand, and call for the removal of the "clutter" in one's own, personal encyclopedia.

If Guy Chapman can grow weary of Wikipedia, that's a huge sign that things are falling apart.

Greg

I disagree with the last part. He hasn't been getting his way, has been under attack from all sides for his increasingly erratic behaviour and so has thrown a tantrum and left.

To clarify what I meant, it's a huge sign that things are falling apart for the traditional Wikipediot elites.

Greg

[thekohser]

If you want to hear more about Guy Chapman, feel free to google "safespeed" and ask at their forum. Or search usenet.

This is absolutely normal behaviour for Mr. Chapman. I fear he is not entirely stable.

Wow, I did find this to be very telling about Guy:

Of course, you may have heard that I have certain controversial opinions about driving and speed. True enough. This is based on personal experience - for example, having used the technique of driving flat-out to stay awake at 3am after a forty hour shift, I know that {a} it is f***ing stupid and {b} waking up on the rumble strips at 130mph is Very Scary Indeed. Kids, don't try this at home.

As with so many Things Guy, it's "do as I say, not as I idiotically do".

I suppose pulling over and taking an hour's nap until 4 a.m. was not a viable option?

This post has been edited by thekohser: Tue 7th August 2007, 10:08pm