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| Kurt M. Weber |
 Sun 18th March 2007, 12:41am
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| Jonny Cache |
Sun 18th March 2007, 4:30pm
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 τα δε μοι παθήματα μαθήματα γέγονε Group: Contributors Posts: 5,100 Joined: Sat 9th Sep 2006, 1:52am Member No.: 398 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
QUOTE(Kurt M. Weber @ Sat 17th March 2007, 7:41pm)  Kurt, I registered on OpenCycle a while back, and had naturally been thinking about transporting some of the articles that I principally authored on Wikipedia over to your site, but then I got befuddled by the implications of the different licensing protocols that you are using. Can you or anybody who knows about these things give me the Dummy's Guide to Open Content Licenses with regard to that issue? Gratia in futuro ... Jonny  This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Sun 18th March 2007, 4:30pm |
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| Elara |
Mon 19th March 2007, 1:58am
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 Ghoul Inquisitor General Group: Contributors Posts: 155 Joined: Wed 3rd Jan 2007, 2:16am From: Perhaps the Honeycomb Hideout? No. Member No.: 787 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
From what I understand the GDFL and the by-sa2.5 are indeed compatble, but Kurt doesn't just want to fork Wikipedia. I'd say for the Charles Pierce article we should make exceptions, since it's being lynch-fucked on WP by lunatics.
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| michael |
Mon 19th March 2007, 2:03am
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Senior Member Group: Contributors Posts: 254 Joined: Fri 9th Mar 2007, 12:47am Member No.: 1,097 |
QUOTE(Elara @ Sun 18th March 2007, 6:58pm) From what I understand the GDFL and the by-sa2.5 are indeed compatble, but Kurt doesn't just want to fork Wikipedia. I'd say for the Charles Pierce article we should make exceptions, since it's being lynch-fucked on WP by lunatics. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list...ntationLicenses That link says otherwise, all CC is incompatible with GNU. |
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| Kurt M. Weber |
Mon 19th March 2007, 1:46pm
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Senior Member Group: Contributors Posts: 258 Joined: Sun 21st May 2006, 10:44pm Member No.: 199 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
QUOTE(michael @ Sun 18th March 2007, 9:03pm) QUOTE(Elara @ Sun 18th March 2007, 6:58pm) From what I understand the GDFL and the by-sa2.5 are indeed compatble, but Kurt doesn't just want to fork Wikipedia. I'd say for the Charles Pierce article we should make exceptions, since it's being lynch-fucked on WP by lunatics. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list...ntationLicenses That link says otherwise, all CC is incompatible with GNU. Well, CC-by-sa 2.0...everything I've found indicates that 2.5 is indeed compatible with GFDL, though the FSF does not appear to have made a statement one way or another. However, even so, it is my understanding that to offer content under a license other than that under which it was originally offered requires the explicit action of the copyright owner. Because of this, Opencycle only allows you to copy content from Wikipedia for which you are the sole author, because you are then the sole owner of the copyright to that content. I have done this myself many times for articles I have created--many times I have had to go back several revisions and remove a lot of content to make sure I'm only adding stuff I authored. We do this for a reason--as Elaragirl intended, when I started Opencycle I wanted it to be completely separate, rather than just a fork of Wikipedia. Using different licenses is one of the means by which that is ensured. |
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| Jonny Cache |
Mon 23rd April 2007, 2:22pm
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τα δε μοι παθήματα μαθήματα γέγονε Group: Contributors Posts: 5,100 Joined: Sat 9th Sep 2006, 1:52am Member No.: 398 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
Kurt,
What happened to OpenCycle? I haven't been able to get in for a couple of days. Cheers, Jonny |
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| Jonny Cache |
Mon 23rd April 2007, 2:58pm
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τα δε μοι παθήματα μαθήματα γέγονε Group: Contributors Posts: 5,100 Joined: Sat 9th Sep 2006, 1:52am Member No.: 398 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 23rd April 2007, 10:22am) Kurt, What happened to OpenCycle? I haven't been able to get in for a couple of days. Cheers, Jonny Nevermind ... semes okay now ... Jonny |
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| Jonny Cache |
Sun 10th June 2007, 4:25am
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τα δε μοι παθήματα μαθήματα γέγονε Group: Contributors Posts: 5,100 Joined: Sat 9th Sep 2006, 1:52am Member No.: 398 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
OpenCycle seems to have disappeared into the Øzone.
Does anyone know what happened to it? Jonny |
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| Elara |
Sun 10th June 2007, 5:40am
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Ghoul Inquisitor General Group: Contributors Posts: 155 Joined: Wed 3rd Jan 2007, 2:16am From: Perhaps the Honeycomb Hideout? No. Member No.: 787 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
No idea...nor where Kurt is.
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| Chris Croy |
Sun 10th June 2007, 6:48am
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Member Group: Contributors Posts: 128 Joined: Thu 7th Jun 2007, 6:57pm Member No.: 1,650 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
QUOTE(Johnny Cache) Kurt, I registered on OpenCycle a while back, and had naturally been thinking about transporting some of the articles that I principally authored on Wikipedia over to your site, but then I got befuddled by the implications of the different licensing protocols that you are using. Can you or anybody who knows about these things give me the Dummy's Guide to Open Content Licenses with regard to that issue? You still own all of your contributions, you're simply allowing people to use them under X license. If you wrote "Batteries are white cloud puffs", you could license that phrase under the GFDL and then also license it phrase the CC-BY-SA. Anyone that used either license could use what you wrote in their project. The problem is other people. Theoretically, the anon user who corrected a typo could sue you for violating the GFDL, so if you want to be completely safe and legal you need to use only what you personally contributed. Someone must have written some sort of "Make a copy of only what person X contributed" program by now. I have no idea what it would be called though. Contributions extractor? Filter? |
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| Jonny Cache |
Sun 10th June 2007, 9:56pm
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τα δε μοι παθήματα μαθήματα γέγονε Group: Contributors Posts: 5,100 Joined: Sat 9th Sep 2006, 1:52am Member No.: 398 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
WTF ???
www.opencycle.net now redirects to some kind of chatarama site at opencycle.vacommunity.net ... Jonny This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Sun 10th June 2007, 10:06pm |
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| Nathan |
Sun 10th June 2007, 10:06pm
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Yeah, it appears to be a parking lot/link farm now.
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| GlassBeadGame |
Sun 10th June 2007, 10:12pm
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QUOTE(Nathan @ Sun 10th June 2007, 4:06pm) Yeah, it appears to be a parking lot/link farm now. There is a link on the bottom of the page "Why am I seeing this page" that is a mailto: to what is probably the spammy rat who would be willing to sell someone their own domain name. |
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| Jon Awbrey |
Sun 18th May 2008, 3:22am
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 τὰ δέ μοι παθήματα μαθήματα γέγονε Group: Moderators Posts: 6,738 Joined: Sun 6th Apr 2008, 4:52am From: Meat Puppet Nation Member No.: 5,619 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
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| JohnA |
Sun 18th May 2008, 3:58am
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Looking over Winston Smith's shoulder Group: Regulars Posts: 1,171 Joined: Sun 30th Jul 2006, 9:56pm Member No.: 313 |
Another failed attempt to out-wiki Wikipedia has failed...next?
When will people understand that wiki models do not work unless the the subject area and the number of editors is strictly controlled? |
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| Amarkov |
Sun 18th May 2008, 4:07am
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QUOTE(JohnA @ Sat 17th May 2008, 8:58pm) Another failed attempt to out-wiki Wikipedia has failed...next? When will people understand that wiki models do not work unless the the subject area and the number of editors is strictly controlled? Well, that depends on how you define "working". If your goal isn't to produce anything reliable, then a wiki model may be just fine. |
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| Emperor |
Tue 20th May 2008, 4:08am
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 Try spam today! Group: Regulars Posts: 1,833 Joined: Sat 21st Jul 2007, 4:09pm Member No.: 2,042 |
QUOTE(JohnA @ Sat 17th May 2008, 10:58pm) Another failed attempt to out-wiki Wikipedia has failed...next? When will people understand that wiki models do not work unless the the subject area and the number of editors is strictly controlled? Yeah yeah, everyone has their own ideas. More control, less control, different kinds of control, etc. Sooner or later someone will hit on something. We just need fewer planners and more tinkerers. (Cue Kato's responsibility lecture.) |
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| JohnA |
Tue 20th May 2008, 10:05am
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Looking over Winston Smith's shoulder Group: Regulars Posts: 1,171 Joined: Sun 30th Jul 2006, 9:56pm Member No.: 313 |
QUOTE(Emperor @ Tue 20th May 2008, 4:08am) QUOTE(JohnA @ Sat 17th May 2008, 10:58pm) Another failed attempt to out-wiki Wikipedia has failed...next? When will people understand that wiki models do not work unless the the subject area and the number of editors is strictly controlled? Yeah yeah, everyone has their own ideas. More control, less control, different kinds of control, etc. Sooner or later someone will hit on something. We just need fewer planners and more tinkerers. (Cue Kato's responsibility lecture.) We need to get rid of the tinkerers. Nobody's learning anything any more. |
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| Moulton |
Tue 20th May 2008, 11:01am
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 Anthropologist from Mars Group: Contributors Posts: 10,220 Joined: Mon 29th Oct 2007, 9:56pm From: Greater Boston Member No.: 3,670 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
QUOTE(JohnA @ Tue 20th May 2008, 6:05am) We need to get rid of the tinkerers. Nobody's learning anything any more. Not sure what is meant by a "tinkerer", but I am concerned that neither WP nor WR are exemplary of what Peter Senge calls a "Learning Organization". The recently revised WMF Mission Statement says that their mission is to empower and engage people around the world to collect and develop To my mind, any organization proposing to undertake such an ambitious mission must itself be an exemplary Learning Organization. This post has been edited by Moulton: Tue 20th May 2008, 11:48am |
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| dtobias |
Tue 20th May 2008, 12:44pm
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 Obsessive trolling idiot [per JzG] Group: Regulars Posts: 2,213 Joined: Sun 11th Feb 2007, 2:45pm From: Boca Raton, FL, USA Member No.: 962 WP user page - talk check - contribs |
The site seems to be about motorcycles, and not particularly open. I don't know what it used to be.
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