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biographco
post Sun 29th April 2007, 10:41pm
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As you all have been following the Wikipedia slam of our company "American_Mutoscope_and_Biograph_Company". Since that time, more activity is going on which I will share with you. The activity however, has coincided with attempted malicious changes to our listings, including IMDB.com. These other websites have been informed and are very supportive.

The most recent activity in the article is the malicious Wikipedian editors attempting to "Split" the article to "New Company" vs "Old Company" but there is no way they can try and prove we are NOT the same company, intimating unless we "Show" these "Editors" our confidential paperwork that shows we are the same company. Pretty slick? Show us what you have or we will defame you.

I will give you this Wikipedia example from the article "Discussion"....

"I agree. This situation seems similar to the history of PanAm airlines. It went out of business then was revived a couple of times. We have separate articles for each incarnation: Pan American World Airways, Pan American Airways (1996-1998), Pan American Airways (1998-2004). In this instance the original company is more notable so we could leave it at the present name and the new company could be at "American Mutoscope and Biograph Company (1991)". -Will Beback · † · 01:01, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Seconded, though I haven't seen any evidence that the new company is notable enough for an article. —tregoweth (talk) 14:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


Splitting it into two articles won't end the squabbling by the new company that it is really the same as the old company, will it? I don't know if the new company really has enough substance for its own article. In 16 years it has released one commercial product: a DVD containing an interview with Tommy Bond and a silent Our Gang comedy in the public domain. — Walloon 15:18, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

The point isn't to end squabbling, which would probably continue no matter what. The immediate problem we're facing is the use of categories. These two sets are in conflict.

Category:Companies established in 1895

Category:Defunct media companies of the United States

Category:Companies established in 1991

Category:Re-established companies

Splitting the article would allow more logical categorizattion. I think we can make a case for the notability of the new company based on several profiles they've received. -Will Beback · † · 19:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
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First, the Little Rascals my Dad "Hosted" and there is only one 12 minute silent Rascals film included in the whole hour long DVD. The majority of it is my Dad's stories, viniettes, and talking to his older star friends.

Second - They got caught on calling our company "Defunct". Too late! Already downloaded and reported! Again, all this is funny. They can block, change and scramble all they want on Wikipedia, this does them no good now. Truth and honesty does win out, and always will. And to the others, when this hammer falls, it will change, and hopefully clean up Wikipedia, forever.
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post Tue 1st May 2007, 10:34pm
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Okay folks, we're going to try again with the all-new, shiny-clean "censored" version of this thread. I'm still not so sure the subject shouldn't be closed, but I'm at least going to put it back out into the (public) Articles forum, so non-members can see it.

Also, I have to apologize to Dan Tobias, whose posting on WikiEN-L about this thread is no longer reflective of what's here. To think, he even used it as an example of why linking to us shouldn't be disallowed! Ah well, those are the breaks, I guess... By all means, please convey my apologies to the WikiEN-L folks for having done all this nasty, hypocritical censorship stuff.

Anyway, if we're going to continue this thread - and I'm not saying we should - please, everyone try to be nice-ish, and if you're going to call the cops, just call 'em already, and allow us to be surprised (pleasantly or otherwise?) by the results. biggrin.gif
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post Tue 1st May 2007, 11:38pm
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QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 1st May 2007, 3:34pm) *
Anyway, if we're going to continue this thread - and I'm not saying we should - please, everyone try to be nice-ish, and if you're going to call the cops, just call 'em already, and allow us to be surprised (pleasantly or otherwise?) by the results. :D

Somey, sounds good. I do want to make one point however. Mr. Tobias used strong language and insulting verbage towards me and the company on WR which there is no excuse for. If he has an issue or a comment, or even rebuttal, please have him act with respect and decorum in this forum. This will also help keep WR on a civil level. Also, with this thread there really is no more I can add, except that we want the harassment to stop and for the article on the company to be corrected. It can also be used as a positive force, in which unbiased Wiki-Editors can try and correct not only our article, but the ones on Gaumont and Pathe as well. Thanks:)
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post Wed 2nd May 2007, 12:16am
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I would also like to post a clarification on an item posted by Mr. Tobias on posting on WikiEN-L. the following is the posting and my response to this and clarification:

The person (with a questionable grasp on reality) from American Biograph and Mutoscope Company is here accusing Wikipedians of hacking his bank account, in addition to calling it "defamatory" that they don't accept on his say-so that his company is the legitimate successor to a company that went defunct back in the 1920s.

our response:

The person (with a questionable grasp on reality)

This is a personal attack and is uncalled for.

from American Biograph and Mutoscope Company is here accusing Wikipedians of
hacking his bank account,


I did not accuse ALL Wikipedians or Wikipedia. I said that there is a possibility and it needed to be "Looked into".

in addition to calling it "defamatory" that they don't accept on his say-so that his company is the legitimate successor to a company that went defunct back in the 1920s.

1. That is NOT what is "Defamitory" about not accepting my "Say-So". What is, is the examples of "We want the company to look ridiculous", in the articles discussion pages.

2. I am not asking to go on my "Say-So". I have offered creditable and verifiable sources indicating who we are, including other encylopedias, publications, etc. This is NOT on just a "Say-So".

In summation, we have offered verifiable and published sources for the article to Wikipedia. In reality though, the article will not be changed. Most likely in the days ahead it will be segmented more and the outcome is for this will be an attempt to make it even more damaging to us. However, this kind of vindictiveness, and that is obvious, will not harm the company, or our validity. We are the same company and hold the private and confidential "Items" to prove this. No amount of slander or misinformation against us can change that. The attempts made by the certain Wiki-Editors, allowed by Wikipedia itself, only makes Wikipedia again look like the publication that it is... What is that kind of a publication? That is for the readers to decide.
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biographco   Biograph, Wikipedia and the FBI   Sun 29th April 2007, 10:41pm
Anonymouse   Well, one would think the burden of proof would be...   Mon 30th April 2007, 12:47am
biographco   Well, one would think the burden of proof would b...   Sun 6th May 2007, 11:55pm
wikilove   I hadn't read the details before Mr. Biograph ...   Mon 7th May 2007, 12:52pm
biographco   I hadn't read the details before Mr. Biograph...   Wed 9th May 2007, 12:23am
GlassBeadGame   I hadn't read the details before Mr. Biograp...   Wed 9th May 2007, 12:58am
biographco   [quote name='biographco' post='30772' date='Tue 8...   Fri 11th May 2007, 9:19pm
Somey   Perhaps, but it does seem to have gone beyond that...   Mon 30th April 2007, 2:48am
dtobias   The thing is, nobody on Wikipedia is engaging in d...   Mon 30th April 2007, 2:00pm
Joseph100   The thing is, nobody on Wikipedia is engaging in ...   Wed 2nd May 2007, 12:48am
Somey   To believe the statment made by MR. Dtobias, ...   Wed 2nd May 2007, 3:56am
biographco   ...After all, AMBC, as it's currently constitu...   Sat 5th May 2007, 9:01pm
Cedric   Yet on our article [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w...   Sat 5th May 2007, 9:21pm
biographco   This would be the nearest explanation I can come u...   Sat 5th May 2007, 9:31pm
Somey   ...This next quote comes from the "Gaumont...   Sun 6th May 2007, 3:37am
biographco   ...This next quote comes from the "Gaumont...   Sun 6th May 2007, 4:23am
wikilove   The thing is, nobody on Wikipedia is engaging in ...   Sun 6th May 2007, 11:23pm
biographco   The thing is, nobody on Wikipedia is engaging in...   Sun 6th May 2007, 11:44pm
Jonny Cache   I confess that I've only sampled this groove a...   Mon 30th April 2007, 2:48pm
biographco   For our Wikipedia Review members and ANYONE here a...   Mon 30th April 2007, 9:46pm
dtobias   Those various proclamations prove nothing, given t...   Mon 30th April 2007, 9:57pm
biographco   The last posting was in reference to verifiable in...   Mon 30th April 2007, 10:08pm
JTM   Those various proclamations prove nothing, given ...   Sun 6th May 2007, 3:05am
Somey   I will at least say that the Biograph Company webs...   Mon 30th April 2007, 10:21pm
biographco   I will at least say that the Biograph Company webs...   Tue 1st May 2007, 1:18am
dtobias   My only "agenda", by the way, is that I...   Mon 30th April 2007, 10:31pm
dtobias   So I suppose the company didn't die in the 192...   Mon 30th April 2007, 11:36pm
Uly   I think a closer parallel would be the British Eas...   Tue 1st May 2007, 9:12pm
biographco   I think a closer parallel would be the British Ea...   Sat 5th May 2007, 4:07am
biographco   Somey, thank you for the input and posting. I want...   Wed 2nd May 2007, 5:16am
Toledo   Under federal trademark law, "Nonuse for two ...   Fri 16th November 2007, 6:04pm
GlassBeadGame   Under federal trademark law, "Nonuse for two...   Sat 17th November 2007, 3:02pm


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