Hi Ryulong.

Well you took the bait. I don't think anyone believed a word of Lamont's "theory" in the first place.

Anyway, you're too modest. You've been quite important to the people you banned outside due process, the people who had their biographies deleted out of process, the people you accused of being sockpuppets of someone else out of process, etc etc.

I haven't been following your career very closely, but people don't generally get crazy en masse about an admin unless there is a pretty good reason. NYBrad told you the reason on your own page. So there's substance there, if not in Lamont's crazy theory.

So. I think it's time to hand over the tools and sit back on the bench, Mr. Ryulong.

That job just doesn't suit you. And I think you know it.

Maybe "important" wasn't the right word, but a hell of a lot of posters here think I have access to some sort of higher Wikipedia power (imagined or otherwise).


I know I've fucked up a handful of times, but I've never fucked up the same way twice (that's called learning from your mistakes). And people go crazy over less shit on these here intarwebs. I have no clue why I'm Lamont's favorite lately. There have to be people who make more mistakes than I have through admin duties.

Well that's probably true.

Why don't you edit the articles on your chosen field of study? You know, tell the world about what you know? I'd have thought that would be the purpose of anyone coming to wikipedia in the first place. Why this need to block people and revert vandals so relentlessly and play RoboCop? Why is that more important to you than writing and developing a body of work?

It's not so much that you blocked an admin, CattleGirl, but the fact that she was blocked for not "contributing" to Wikipedia. I now feel the need to check my block log often to make sure you or another vandal fighter doesn't go off half-cocked and block my wiki-gnome account. Who are you to decide who's contributions, even small ones, to WP are useless to WP? Yes, many should focus on building WP's mainspace (I can think of a few admins who should be doing that), but you didn't even warn these people of their impending block. Why couldn't you have taken the time to work with those people to help them contribute more to WP instead of just arbitrarily banning them? The world won't end if you take the time to be more compassionate and understanding. Yeah, that sounds like hippie crap, but being... you know... nice doesn't cost a thing really.

You say you're learning from your mistakes, but your learning curb isn't very sharp, I must say.

Overzealous vandal fighters and overpopulated jellyfish... it's all a sign of worse things to come!

OK the HIGH AND MIGHTY WIKIADAMIN ... then he will respond to this.
RESPOND TO THIS

WHY ARE ACCOUNTS BANNED, for ONE EDIT and ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD REASON <SEE WP:BITE>, AND NO PROOF is PRESENTED OR DUE PROCESS IS GIVEN TO THE ACCUSED?




AND By the way.... there are over 90,000 thousands "SOCKS"(those that have voted) and may have interest in this article and may want to have a say in how it should be written.... SO, the Sock BULLSHIT DONT CUT WATER...BUB... SHOW ME THE PROOF AND NOT BULLSHIT... the hairs on your neck and what the quaking duck sez is not PROOF.

(side note...this person is is not joe (Me)...

OR this person is not me either...

I don't know, maybe this idea about blocking people who don't contribute much isn't so bad after all. Have you taken a look at Phil Sandifer's contributions lately, Ryulong?

OK, I remembered the name of the show, Bananas in Pyjamas:



In case some people didn't work it out already, this thread was not actually intended to be taken seriously

Bananas in Pyjamas was a spin off of Play School, which is Australia's version of Sesame Street (sort of). Actually, most Australian kids prefer Sesame Street to Play School, because Sesame Street is better quality. Bananas in Pyjamas was a skit made by Play School, which was based on the nursery rhyme, and it became so popular it got its own spin off. Bananas in Pyjamas, the show, was relatively popular for a while. I wouldn't say "incredibly popular" though. It was briefly more popular than Play School, but I don't think they make it anymore. Interestingly, it seems to have changed from Play School people being unknowns to Play School people being famous-ish actors (people from Water Rats, for example), and this is probably due to the success of Bananas in Pyjamas and other less well known spin offs.

But BIP is no Wiggles. Wiggles kicks all of their butts, by millions of times over.

Dear Wikipedia Review User Ryulong,

Welcome to The Wikipedia Review Online Game (WROG) !!!

We hope that you will e-joy your play here for as long as you remain in the game. Please review the bits of FAQ, FRIC, and FLAK that are for our convenience scattered, er, distributed about Da Board, as we like to call it, in a manner to which you will either become accustomed or die, virtually speaking, of course. Please do not fail to recognize that WROG has a very different set of rules from any other OG you may have played before.

It is recommended that you select a unique Online Game Avatar-Screenym (OGAS), one that is:

• Distinct from your Name In Real Life (NIRL),
• Distinct from the Name Used By A Notable Or Otherwise Real Person (NUBANOORP),
• Distinct from the OGAS that you or anyone else uses in any other On-Or-Offline Game (OOOG).

The staff of the WROG cannot predict the consequences that might ensue if you choose to ignore this recommendation.

At any rate, please understand that no statements that you make in the name of your WROGAS will be taken at face value by all players of WROG, nor will they be connected in any simple-minded fashion with the statements that are made under the OGAS of any other player in any other OG who might coincidentally be using what appears to be the same OGAS in those very different contexts.

E-joy !!!

Jonny

I actually don't do that much either because there is very little I can add to what is there - I have done a bit - large expansion to gene therapy for instance, but at the moment I am 1. writing a 20000 word thesis and 2. shithouse at writing to be honest - takes me a lot of effort to write well so I add content not as often as I would like

Interesting you would have such a fact at your finger tips. Not deeply disturbing, but certainly mock-worthy. One contributing factor of WP's cruft problem is the fascination many editors have with juvenile, age-inappropriate topics.

Apparently that's a conflict of interest, or it becomes original research, or otherwise if you know what you're doing then they don't like it. Most of my edits (in terms of amount of material added) were to things that I knew a lot about. Of course, most of my fiddling (which accounts for most of the edits in terms of raw number of times I pressed edit) were to things that I didn't know a lot about.

Things may have changed once I'd run out of things to add on things that I had a fair amount of knowledge of. I wouldn't know because I didn't get to that stage. I was run out of town as a newbie basically.

Once again, it's so hard to tell if Wik-Uh-Pologists are just pretending to be dense, from long habituation to that way of winning arguments in Wikiputia, or whether they really are that dense.

At any rate, it doesn't really matter all that much, since one quickly tires of repeating what one did say in the face of their never-ending X-ertions to read it as something else.

Jonny

Yeah, Ryulong definitely "plays" WP. For example: he has symbols of Linux and free software (GNU head) on top of his pages. I'm sure there are many high-profile admins/wikipedians who are fans of free software, so this is a bonus. But in reality Ryulong's main OS is probably Windows XP (see "Operating System" in "Devious Information" box).

OK, to the point: despite criticism from other "high-profile" admins I think his behaviour is still objectionable. For example this edit: after adding <div>s with style="display:none" the list appears much shorter than it is in reality. Very nice trick! Protected titles between these <div>s are still protected, but "invisible" in normal circumstances. Ryu also doesn't care about adding some edit summary...

By the way -- his talk page is protected, again...

About the topic - I don't think that Ryu is sockpuppet of another editor. He has too many edits.

PS. My first post... Well, I have been reading WR since some time, and I think this is great forum! WP is quite useful sometimes and I think that complete destruction of it is not desirable, but IMO the problem is that casual people don't know about all the mess in it and take WP too seriously (i.e. as encyclopedia, which is a huge mistake). So, this forum makes fantastic job in spreading the truth about matters in wikiland.

Ordinary editing by people specializing in a field is in no way a COI, nor is it original research as long as it's ultimately based on the research of others. Just use sources like everybody else. It's terrible that some people seem to have gotten the idea that it's bad to edit stuff you know about.

Now where the devil would they have gotten such a curious idea?

Maybe from having Wikipod Peepers scream NOR! NOR! NOR! at every bit of info they never heard of — like they live in constant TERROR that someone will put it on the Mid-Term Exam or something.

Yes, we all know the way it's sposed to be, and I'm guessing we all know the way it is.

Jonny

But if you're a specialist, you've probably researched it yourself.

The trouble with being an expert in a field is you know what's a good reference and what isn't. Also, you probably know things that aren't yet in the domain of references that people can understand. The mass of editors just can't cope with that.

There is something odd about that postcard...could it be...4CHAN??? DUN DUN DUN

People on- and off-wikipedia tend to say this quite a bit without thinking it through.

I installed MediaWiki software and ran my own wiki before ever editing on Wikipedia. Other people come from non-English-Wikipedia projects for WMF and are vaguely familiar with the basic parts of Wiki-dom.

Any half-intelligent person can be interested, figure out namespaces, and do a whole lot of reading before ever making an account, even.

This thread already unfortunately was moved to "editors" so google won't index it.

Also, it's not religion, but people being involved in a certain kind of organization. Like someone involved in PETA or NRA or something and that applied to Danny and Jayjg mainly, though Ryulong did say he had the same religion.

I still think the evidence proves a real life association between Danny and Ryulong. Not necessarily living together despite the same New York ISP, but likely wanting to leave near each other to meet, maybe business related or just some group.

The question might be, why of all people did Ryulong ask Danny to delete my talk page. Why not someone else? Good friends, no doubt. Also, why didn't he have Danny delete my userpage, too?

Was there any Power Rangers-related content on it?

Verizon is a major Internet service provider in the northeast US that utilizes dynamic IP assignment. I wouldn't be surprised to share my IP address with tons of other editors in the New York metro area who subscribe to Verizon.

I have never met Danny outside of an IRC channel. And I chose him at random. Seriously, these delusions of grandeur are scary. He was there. I asked him to delete it. He obliged. Get over it.

I started taking notice of you after you deleted my userpage.

I haven't mentioned you for a while before this thread -- it was when I read some stuff people were saying about Danny that was why I started this thread.

re: your onamoto = piperdown trick. You're a juvenile powerguppy in a small puddle. And a liar. Have a nice day.

beeeeep...YOUR GUILTY...

I ACCUSE THEE OF THE CRIME OF "SOCKPUPPET"....

EVIDENCE IS FOR COMING THOUGH THE "TEST""ALL PURPOSE, WIKI approved duck test"

SINCE THE HAIRS ON MY NECK ARE NOW STANDING ON END, and since I have a HIGHTEN SENSE OF Forensic grammatical analysis...

I DELCARE YOU A SOCK AND TO BE BANNED!!!!

TOUGH SHIT, STFU and GO WAY DORK....

(just a taste of wiki way) which should give you a warm comforting feeling of home.)

"We have found a sock, may we ban him?"
"If a Wikipedia editor weighs more than a duck... then that means...... A SOCK! A SOCK!"
(Weighs editor at Check User then runs off to ban him!)

"Ryulong" is, in my experience, probably the most overtly abusive administrator on Wikipedia: one of many examples, he declined Gwen Gale's unblock request after being solicited to do so on IRC, then protected her user talk page on the novel grounds that he was going to sleep. The one time I thought to back him up, partly due to a desire to repair relations, I soon felt obliged to apologize to the person he'd accused.

It's been said that he blocks very many vandals and abusive socks. True. But simply blocking *every* new WP account would probably snag more malefactors than legitimate editors. I appreciate the need for a tough sheriff in town, but shooting straight and avoiding innocent bystanders is part of that job. Ryulong treats Wikipedia as a video game in which most other editors are, if not the centipedes, then the mushrooms. He needs to understand that there are real people involved besides just him.

However, he is certainly not Danny, Danny's son, etc., and the personal details he's provided in this thread are, to my knowledge, correct.

I don't know. In a way, we have to admire an admin so corrupt he actually protected the page Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Ryulong for months to prevent anyone bringing an rfc against him.

Ryulong is simply the Ãœbermensch of the young wikipedia admin class. And long may his powers continue. It makes our work much easier.

BUT..he's a sock, because the "DUCKTEST"

But of who?

The important thing to understand is this — Ryulong is the future of Wikipedia.

S/he breaks all the rules that the others do and more, and s/he breaks them with such a wholly unabashed B.A. DICK attitude that it embarrasses the others that they ever bothered to Φutz around the bush about it.

The fact that s/he has gotten away with the Order of Button Brandishing that s/he has — and for as long as s/he has — is a sure sign that the Wikipedian Dike is now leaking to the point of hemorrhage.

Get thee to an Ark !!!

Jonny

Ryulong is the future and present of WP, unfortunately.

Who will guard the guards?

To get rid of an abusive administrator involves forming a lynch mob (see the resignations of Tony Sidaway and Kelly Martin as admins) as opposed to a Community committee as the real world would demand in a case of police brutality. To ask the police to police themselves is absurd as they are hesitant to condemn one of their own. I don't believe there has been an ArbCom with even one non-admin editor on board.

But there I go again believing that WP will reform itself from within. Believe me when I say that I've almost reached the point that there's nothing WP can do to convince me that it can be saved from its corrupted core. Even if Ryulong does leave (and we can be assured he hasn't come back under another account), there will always more Ryulongs coming to power on WP. Administrators are largely aloof regarding individuals like Ryulong and so far its only been stern warnings to Ryulong about his behavior. Slaps on the wrist for bad and morally corrupt administrators are not enough.

See the violence inherent in the system!

AMEN BROTHER...SING IT OUT.... WIKI IS THE DEVIL's BLOG.... Hallelujah.

PS... For Ryulong... I'm organizing an vandal party soon to have some fun with your and your bud Rob the java bean grower and librarian I'm planning a real nice party... comming soon to the house of wiki....

With the wiki duck test... I declare thee to be a sock and shall be banned.

The way this is going, we can sum up the future of Wikipedia (at least the administrative side) in three words: Internet Relay Chat.

Am I really the devil of the internets? And really, the only reason the RFC was protected is because someone decided to create account after account to harass me because of one block. I forgot it had been protected and I didn't do anything horrid that required it being created until recent (apparently).

And the random IRC attack is fun. It like no community website or forum has a place where only the higher ups (or registered members) can read, where discussions are made concerning the site, as well as the random sex joke or two.

I am so glad that I've registered such that I could put a select few onto the "Ignore" list for the occasional read.

No, no, no. You are merely Faustus, who has sacrificed his soul to gain power over the sum of human knowledge. And your fate is predictable unless you repent for your misdeeds. Mephistopheles, with whom you arranged this diabolical bargain, and who is the tormentor of us all, is staring at you from my avatar.
-------------
"Oh gentle Faustus, leave this damned art,
This magic, that will charm thy soul to hell,
And quite bereave thee of salvation.
Though thou hast now offended like a man,
Do not persever in it like a devil."

Act 5, Scene 1, Lines 35-39: Old man to Faustus

Gee, I don't know, first you restored malicious attacks on my RWI from a notorious banned pseudonymous troll, and blocked my socks which aimed at nothing but to remove them (a morally legitimate use of socks) then you helped out me so that they might resume again.

I don't think you a devil at all. You're a bright young man who does what he thinks right within the rules and context that's presented to him by those who ought to know better. I'm totally open to the idea that you're a decent person. I have to believe that if you understood what you were doing to me, you'd not have done it.

The fault lies with those who handed you these tools, when you were never qualified to use them. Don't get me wrong, you're qualified to do many things. But fucking with people's reputations and lives, you're not. Clearly, you're not aware when you're crossing that line. You need to live longer to figure that out. That's not your fault, is it? It's the fault of those who've handed you the tools, or more accurately fobbed them off on you: they don't wish to take responsibility themselves. When push comes to shove (as it will, sooner or later) they'll say the Foundation is blameless, Jimbo is blameless, we've nothing to do with any of this: "Ryulong" [your name here] is to blame.

Here's where Ryulong reverts a legitimate copyedit of a patently terrible article, simply because the editor who performed the service "abused multiple accounts".

I think that, as a rule, anyone who uses admin powers to damage article content for political reasons should not be an admin. Of course, in Ryulong's case, that's just one reason.

They only time I think they banned someone as well as desysopped was when the sysop opposed SlimVirgin on something, and Runcorn did that. For other times, they just desysopped.

So far as I can tell, Runcorn was doing what he was supposed to do - block genuinely abusive sockpuppets and protect good faith users. His only fault was to protect Newport.

Examples like that can of course be multiplied at will.

I've documented a case where SlimVirgin reverted 3 months worth of steady improvement on the Charles Sanders Peirce article, all without CheckUser evidence, based on a driveby accusation that sockpuppets might be present. She falsely tagged The Tetrast as a sockpuppet, and later had to withdraw the charge, but never undid her vandalism to the article.

But it's a waste of breath talking about this stuff, as there's nobody left on Wikipediot Island who gives a Rat's Ass about the rules anymore.

Time for Phase 2 …

Jonny

Or the policies have diverged so far from reality, that actions like you mentioned are the rules now. An example of this is User:SallyForth123, she has tons of block-evading sockpuppets, but only makes helpful edits. Yet someone wants to formalize her ban so they can revert all of her edits without even looking at them. Fortunately, someone shot that idea down, but it's a clear example of their mindset.

It is clear that some kind of value-inversion has taken place, that some ulterior motive, yet to be articulated, has taken precedence over the mission of improving articles.

When I stop to ask myself what kind of mentality might be driving that kind of behaviour, it seems to be a type of Identity Politics (IP-ism). The most important thing has become, not the quality of information, but the source of information, specifically, whether that source is "Of The Body", that is, has signified unquestioning allegiance to the Body Of The Self-Elect Membership (BOTSEM).

The irony of course being that this is the very opposite of the principles that Wikipedia came in with.

But denial of underlying motivation is typically followed by this kind of reversal. The people who stick with Wikipedia, who give up their minds to remain a part of it, are those who came there, not in search of knowledge and truth, but seeking to submerge their personal insecurities in the bosom of groupthink infallibility and hivebound narcissism.

Jonny

I swear I posted on this thread slamming Ryulong as the piece of crud he is. Why was I censored? I need to know to learn for the future.

I was thinking about talking to you about it privately but I was trying to figure out exactly how to do so while still being nice about it.

It's not the point of censoring for the sake of censorship, but the language was completely unnecessary.

I don't care about the attack but please use a little common sense. Since common sense is subjective, well, you know the rest.

You could have said "Ryulong, I take umbrage at your behavior and your actions toward me. Now, shove off!"

I think that would have been acceptable. I don't want references to Greyhound to be banned on WP per Attack Sites.

ColScott, to wish such ill upon another is, at least, unbecoming. "Ryulong" makes mistakes because he's young, though bright perhaps not unusually reflective, and has been negligently handed responsibilities for which he's not yet qualified. What's your excuse?

It's hard to talk about a post that I can't see, but wot the hecque …

I'm generally against deleting posts unless they constitute the sort of thing that would bring legal retribution against the whole Review, otherwise, it seems like moving objectionable posts to the tarpit et φeather barrel is the better course.

That's about all I can say without knowing what I'm talking about …

Jonny