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Durova Resigns on 11-26-07
Who shall be the first to update her "arbitration tips" page accordingly?
QUOTE(Miltopia @ Mon 26th November 2007, 3:57pm) 
Who shall be the first to update her "arbitration tips" page accordingly?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=173935337
Raymond Aritt "quits" after his stupid "don't criticize admins" workshop proposal is rejected:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=...&year=&month=11
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=...&year=&month=11
QUOTE(Miltopia @ Mon 26th November 2007, 4:03pm)
Raymond Aritt "quits" after his stupid "don't criticize admins" workshop proposal is rejected:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=...&year=&month=11
There's a word for that in online board speak.
"Flouncing".
They always come back after flouncing off...
Raymond Arritt? There's a professor at Iowa State by that name. Is it the same guy, I wonder? And will they accuse me of "stalking" him, just for asking the question? I mean, if he's adminning WP under his real name...?
If it's the same guy, maybe he and I could meet for lunch! I could take him around to the set of my new movie...
If it's the same guy, maybe he and I could meet for lunch! I could take him around to the set of my new movie...
Durova was desysopped at about 0.03 UMT.
That's about 3pm on 25th November. Being 12 hours or so before she "resigned".
Don't know how we all missed that.
QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 26th November 2007, 10:40pm)
If it's the same guy, maybe he and I could meet for lunch! I could take him around to the set of my new movie...
Which is?
QUOTE(jorge @ Mon 26th November 2007, 4:52pm)
Which is?
It's the meal that comes between breakfast and dinner, silly!
Sometimes I wonder about you guys...
QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:44pm)
Durova was desysopped at about 0.03 UMT.
That's about 3pm on 25th November. Being 12 hours or so before she "resigned".
Don't know how we all missed that.
You've got sharp eyes, DL....
One good thing to come of all this —
I've never seen the Wikienlist so quiet …
Then again, maybe they made it the new soopersekrit list —
I wonder when I'll be able to spell "sooper" and "sekrit" again ???
Jonny
I've never seen the Wikienlist so quiet …
Then again, maybe they made it the new soopersekrit list —
I wonder when I'll be able to spell "sooper" and "sekrit" again ???
Jonny
The timing (and the identity of the operant Steward) suggest to me that Durova was strongly induced to resign as a face-saving measure.
I don't think she walked the plank on her own dime. I think WP:Office put the coins in the meter.
I don't think she walked the plank on her own dime. I think WP:Office put the coins in the meter.
QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Mon 26th November 2007, 4:44pm)
Don't know how we all missed that.
I believe that was just a "proposed remedy" in the ArbCom case, DL... The actual desysopping is here, shortly after the resignation announcement:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...Durova%40enwiki
Not that any of this really matters in the final analysis, of course. But it does suggest that she did it on her own volition.
QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Mon 26th November 2007, 4:56pm)
QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:44pm)
Durova was desysopped at about 0.03 UMT.
That's about 3pm on 25th November. Being 12 hours or so before she "resigned".
Don't know how we all missed that.
You've got sharp eyes, DL....
Maybe not too sharp. That as a proposed remedy. Of the three remedies up there, one was support for !!, one was limit Durova's power, and one was desysop.
She was also being asked unsavory questions like:
QUOTEQuestion to Durova from Kwsn
Q. Other than to not reveal the "methods of investigation", was there any other reason why you didn't post the email? Kwsn (Ni!) 19:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
She did answer questions such as the one asking if she really spied on WR, but not the one about why she didn't post the email.
She did well to resign. She was going to be asked what she didn't want to answer all along.
No chance to answer, my foot.
QUOTE(Moulton @ Mon 26th November 2007, 3:00pm)
The timing (and the identity of the operant Steward) suggest to me that Durova was strongly induced to resign as a face-saving measure.
On the other hand, I can think of some admins that have made plenty of bad blocks without resigning. Maybe Durova is having pangs of conscience, and she will decide to turn around and become a crusader for justice. Like Kelly Martin!
QUOTE(Moulton @ Mon 26th November 2007, 3:00pm)
The timing (and the identity of the operant Steward) suggest to me that Durova was strongly induced to resign as a face-saving measure.
Entirely possible, as well as very likely.
QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 26th November 2007, 5:08pm)
On the other hand, I can think of some admins that have made plenty of bad blocks without resigning. Maybe Durova is having pangs of conscience, and she will decide to turn around and become a crusader for justice. Like Kelly Martin!
Dreamer.... nothing but a dreamer.... once you put your hands on your head oh no... (ripping off Supertramp)
QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:08pm)
Maybe Durova is having pangs of conscience, and she will decide to turn around and become a crusader for justice. Like Kelly Martin!
I look forward to her blog where she admits that the blocking of Poetlister etc. was a miscarriage of justice as Kelly Martin did.
Methinks she fell on her sword to save "the list."
QUOTE(Firsfron of Ronchester @ Mon 26th November 2007, 3:25pm)
Personally I like the term, Reviewniks which I picked up from Casey Abell's blog.
Before falling on your sword, make sure the blade is flat against the ground.
It occurred to me that there might have been a quid pro quo in the deal. If the Inner Cabal wanted to retain the back-channel machine, Durova would need to be induced not to spill her guts. So they might have had to promise her some consolation prize if she gallantly fell on her sword to bring down the curtain on this act.
QUOTE(Derktar @ Mon 26th November 2007, 6:22pm)
Methinks she fell on her sword to save "the list."
It occurred to me that there might have been a quid pro quo in the deal. If the Inner Cabal wanted to retain the back-channel machine, Durova would need to be induced not to spill her guts. So they might have had to promise her some consolation prize if she gallantly fell on her sword to bring down the curtain on this act.
QUOTE(Derktar @ Tue 27th November 2007, 12:28am)
Personally I like the term, Reviewniks which I picked up from Casey Abell's blog.
Yes, but Reviewniks definitely needs to be in italics to have the full effect!
It's great to finally see a case where everything works out the way it should: admin abuse, for once, is followed not by acquiescence punctuated by a few hopeless whimpers of protest, but by a backlash of mass outrage leading to the resignation of the abusive admin--with that admin receiving the disapproval of even the ArbCom, typically the reliable guardian of abusive admins. Other abusive admins tried and failed to silence and outmaneuver the community on behalf of their ally. It's a remarkable series of events, breaking all of Wikipedia's worst traditions, and as an optimist I would like to believe that this is something that will have decisive long-term consequences, knocking down a barrier that is keeping Wikipedia from reaching its full potential.
QUOTE(Moulton @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:29pm)
Before falling on your sword, make sure the blade is flat against the ground.
QUOTE(Derktar @ Mon 26th November 2007, 6:22pm)
Methinks she fell on her sword to save "the list."
It occurred to me that there might have been a quid pro quo in the deal. If the Inner Cabal wanted to retain the back-channel machine, Durova would need to be induced not to spill her guts. So they might have had to promise her some consolation prize if she gallantly fell on her sword to bring down the curtain on this act.
Forgive my language....
Did you pull that out of your ass?
O
Hmmm, we'll see 
QUOTE(Oracle @ Mon 26th November 2007, 8:52pm)
QUOTE(Moulton @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:29pm)
Before falling on your sword, make sure the blade is flat against the ground.
QUOTE(Derktar @ Mon 26th November 2007, 6:22pm)
Methinks she fell on her sword to save "the list."
It occurred to me that there might have been a quid pro quo in the deal. If the Inner Cabal wanted to retain the back-channel machine, Durova would need to be induced not to spill her guts. So they might have had to promise her some consolation prize if she gallantly fell on her sword to bring down the curtain on this act.
Forgive my language....
Did you pull that out of your ass?
O
That would be Durovaistic reasoning. Here's mine: Durova is being sent very deep undercover. She must be seen as discredited and abandoned. She infiltrates the evil doers, exposing their nefarious plots and schemes. Attribs: I was a Communist for the FBI.
Durova has also withdrawn from the ArbCom election.
QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Mon 26th November 2007, 8:03pm)
That would be Durovaistic reasoning. Here's mine: Durova is being sent very deep undercover. She must be seen as discredited and abandoned. She infiltrates the evil doers, exposing their nefarious plots and schemes. Attribs: I was Communist for the FBI.
Don't miss the sequel:
I was a Wikipedia administrator for MI5!
QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 27th November 2007, 1:17am)
It's great to finally see a case where everything works out the way it should: admin abuse, for once, is followed not by acquiescence punctuated by a few hopeless whimpers of protest, but by a backlash of mass outrage leading to the resignation of the abusive admin--with that admin receiving the disapproval of even the ArbCom, typically the reliable guardian of abusive admins.
Call me a cynic, but I think the reason she's left hung out to dry is because she made the other sooper sekrit list members look bad.
The cool thing about these Mortification Soap Operas is that there's a million different ways to twist the script.
The question is whether the cast of characters is up to the challenge of playing theirassigned chosen roles.
The question is whether the cast of characters is up to the challenge of playing their
QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 27th November 2007, 1:17am)
with that admin receiving the disapproval of even the ArbCom, typically the reliable guardian of abusive admins.
Forgive me if I've missed a bit, but could you point me to some diffs where any members of ArbCom themselves disapproved of her actions? Some of them approved beforehand.
QUOTE(Firsfron of Ronchester @ Mon 26th November 2007, 6:25pm)
Is there an Island of Misfit Wikipedians that Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer can rescue?
QUOTE(WhispersOfWisdom @ Mon 26th November 2007, 9:55pm)
Durova Resigns on 11-26-07
only to take SV's standard recommendation to quit, start another user account, and get fast-tracked to be re-adminned under the witness protection program new name less than 6 months from now.
QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 26th November 2007, 5:58pm)
I wonder when I'll be able to spell "sooper" and "sekrit" again ???
I prefer to spell it "Sooper Seekrit", with two "e"s in the last word to match the two "o"s in the first one. But that's just me.
WANTED: Pet rattlesnake. Old one bit me.
QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 26th November 2007, 9:41pm)
QUOTE(Firsfron of Ronchester @ Mon 26th November 2007, 6:25pm)
Is there an Island of Misfit Wikipedians that Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer can rescue?
No these Misfits.
I'm not the least bit surprised that she resigned, personally, and I doubt that it was arranged... The simple fact of it is, she didn't have to resign at all - all she had to do was promise to stop portraying herself as some sort of "sock-hunting super-sleuth," given that she obviously wasn't good at it, and go back to doing regular admin duties - in which case, the whole thing would have eventually died down and relatively few people would have complained. Nobody forced her to ask Cary Bass to desysop her, and it's doubtful that the ArbCom would have done it either. And it's not as though her being a regular editor means they're going to kick her off the sooperseekrit mailing list.
If you ask me, Durova is probably some sort of depressive personality with a major chip on her shoulder. She's a perfectionist, and not the good kind of perfectionist who actually strives for perfection, but the bad kind who freaks out when perfection can't be achieved - and who then starts blaming others when things go wrong, and ultimately gives up completely at the first instance of an unfixable "stain" on her "perfect record."
I doubt she'll stand for another RfA, we eventually may not even see all that much of her again, period. She'll stick around to defend herself (again, by blaming others), but once that gets tiresome, the place will have lost all interest for her. Regular admin duties like reverting vandals and cleaning up articles just aren't enough for sock-hunting super-sleuths, I'm afraid.
If you ask me, Durova is probably some sort of depressive personality with a major chip on her shoulder. She's a perfectionist, and not the good kind of perfectionist who actually strives for perfection, but the bad kind who freaks out when perfection can't be achieved - and who then starts blaming others when things go wrong, and ultimately gives up completely at the first instance of an unfixable "stain" on her "perfect record."
I doubt she'll stand for another RfA, we eventually may not even see all that much of her again, period. She'll stick around to defend herself (again, by blaming others), but once that gets tiresome, the place will have lost all interest for her. Regular admin duties like reverting vandals and cleaning up articles just aren't enough for sock-hunting super-sleuths, I'm afraid.
QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Tue 27th November 2007, 2:51am)
QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 26th November 2007, 9:41pm)
QUOTE(Firsfron of Ronchester @ Mon 26th November 2007, 6:25pm)
Is there an Island of Misfit Wikipedians that Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer can rescue?
No these Misfits.
Gable dies after losing community patience with Monroe.
Monroe dies shortly after, trying to relieve her guilt over Gable's permanent "Re-tirement" by partying with the Kennedys only to get an overly stiff death suppository for her troubles.
Monty Cliff, a hopeless case on many levels, loses pretty boy status, displays his shadowy former self, and after this last film gasp, dies in seclusion after some more years in seclusion.
yeah, i guess it is a cautionary tale for the account status of WP abusers who used to be the cash cows of the Golden Age of The Studio System of Wikipedia.
Whether Jimbo claims to be the sole Zannick cannot be confirmed at this time.
QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:06pm)
I'm not the least bit surprised that she resigned, personally, and I doubt that it was arranged... The simple fact of it is, she didn't have to resign at all — all she had to do was promise to stop portraying herself as some sort of "sock-hunting super-sleuth", given that she obviously wasn't good at it, and go back to doing regular admin duties — in which case, the whole thing would have eventually died down and relatively few people would have complained. Nobody forced her to ask Cary Bass to desysop her, and it's doubtful that the ArbCom would have done it either. And it's not as though her being a regular editor means they're going to kick her off the sooperseekrit mailing list.
If you ask me, Durova is probably some sort of depressive personality with a major chip on her shoulder. She's a perfectionist, and not the good kind of perfectionist who actually strives for perfection, but the bad kind who freaks out when perfection can't be achieved — and who then starts blaming others when things go wrong, and ultimately gives up completely at the first instance of an unfixable "stain" on her "perfect record".
I doubt she'll stand for another RfA, we eventually may not even see all that much of her again, period. She'll stick around to defend herself (again, by blaming others), but once that gets tiresome, the place will have lost all interest for her. Regular admin duties like reverting vandals and cleaning up articles just aren't enough for sock-hunting super-sleuths, I'm afraid.
I haven't been able to follow all of the posts on this and the 5 or 6 other threads devoted to the Durova Debacle, but just from my sample it seems that everyone has missed the more likely possibility that Durova got disciplined not for going ban-anas on Bamm-Bamm — I mean, really, where's the novelty in yet another ban-button mainliner going Koo-Koo 4 Koko-Puffs over dey ??? — but because she outed the existence of SlimVirgin's enemas list.
Jonny
Pot, meet kettle.
"The mob" my arse. Please remember, the entire tone of Durova's warfare (at least in my opinion) kicked off a few days after Jimmy Wales personally unblocked me and Lise Broer decided to say I gave misleading information to journalists, yet refused to divulge her evidence that "proved" this (even though her first reaction was to say "she read it some time ago" on the Signpost or "someplace"). Sound familiar, everyone?
There was no "mob" surrounding Durova that day in early 2007. She generated the mob, it fed her ego, and this is where she took it.
They are truly crazy over there in WikiCabalLand, and the only way we're going to dismantle their egotistical game is to CHANGE PUBLIC OPINION about Wikipedia. I have written to 10 different newspapers and to six different politicians today about this ugly incident and how it exposes Jimmy Wales as a manipulative jerk. This is the key, folks. Write your letters!
Greg
"The mob" my arse. Please remember, the entire tone of Durova's warfare (at least in my opinion) kicked off a few days after Jimmy Wales personally unblocked me and Lise Broer decided to say I gave misleading information to journalists, yet refused to divulge her evidence that "proved" this (even though her first reaction was to say "she read it some time ago" on the Signpost or "someplace"). Sound familiar, everyone?
There was no "mob" surrounding Durova that day in early 2007. She generated the mob, it fed her ego, and this is where she took it.
They are truly crazy over there in WikiCabalLand, and the only way we're going to dismantle their egotistical game is to CHANGE PUBLIC OPINION about Wikipedia. I have written to 10 different newspapers and to six different politicians today about this ugly incident and how it exposes Jimmy Wales as a manipulative jerk. This is the key, folks. Write your letters!
Greg
QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 26th November 2007, 7:20pm)
QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:06pm)
I'm not the least bit surprised that she resigned, personally, and I doubt that it was arranged... The simple fact of it is, she didn't have to resign at all — all she had to do was promise to stop portraying herself as some sort of "sock-hunting super-sleuth", given that she obviously wasn't good at it, and go back to doing regular admin duties — in which case, the whole thing would have eventually died down and relatively few people would have complained. Nobody forced her to ask Cary Bass to desysop her, and it's doubtful that the ArbCom would have done it either. And it's not as though her being a regular editor means they're going to kick her off the sooperseekrit mailing list.
If you ask me, Durova is probably some sort of depressive personality with a major chip on her shoulder. She's a perfectionist, and not the good kind of perfectionist who actually strives for perfection, but the bad kind who freaks out when perfection can't be achieved — and who then starts blaming others when things go wrong, and ultimately gives up completely at the first instance of an unfixable "stain" on her "perfect record".
I doubt she'll stand for another RfA, we eventually may not even see all that much of her again, period. She'll stick around to defend herself (again, by blaming others), but once that gets tiresome, the place will have lost all interest for her. Regular admin duties like reverting vandals and cleaning up articles just aren't enough for sock-hunting super-sleuths, I'm afraid.
I haven't been able to follow all of the posts on this and the 5 or 6 other threads devoted to the Durova Debacle, but just from my sample it seems that everyone has missed the more likely possibility that Durova got disciplined not for going ban-anas on Bamm-Bamm — I mean, really, where's the novelty in yet another ban-button mainliner going Koo-Koo 4 Koko-Puffs over dey ??? — but because she outed the existence of SlimVirgin's enemas list.
Jonny B)
Well that's my thought too, by sacrificing herself she may think the whole thing will blow over and everyone will forget about "the list."
Oh and Tony's comment on Durova's talk page is priceless:
QUOTE
You have acted according to the true meaning of "Wikipedia is not a battleground". Leading by example is hard, but rewarding. And a bit does not make or break a community leader. --Tony Sidaway 22:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, except she turned it into a battleground by banning a respected editor with the worst "evidence" imaginable.
QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 27th November 2007, 3:20am)
I haven't been able to follow all of the posts on this and the 5 or 6 other threads devoted to the Durova Debacle, but just from my sample it seems that everyone has missed the more likely possibility that Durova got disciplined not for going ban-anas on Bamm-Bamm — I mean, really, where's the novelty in yet another ban-button mainliner going Koo-Koo 4 Koko-Puffs over dey ??? — but because she outed the existence of SlimVirgin's enemas list.
Jonny
Yup.
Durova = Scooter Libbey
Jajyg = Karl Rove
SlimVirgin = Rumsfeld
Jimbo = Bush
or for the older Chevrolet set:
Durvoa = G. Gordon Liddy
Jimbo = Nixon
etc...Brandt could do a better list here.
QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 26th November 2007, 10:20pm)
QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:06pm)
I'm not the least bit surprised that she resigned, personally, and I doubt that it was arranged... The simple fact of it is, she didn't have to resign at all — all she had to do was promise to stop portraying herself as some sort of "sock-hunting super-sleuth", given that she obviously wasn't good at it, and go back to doing regular admin duties — in which case, the whole thing would have eventually died down and relatively few people would have complained. Nobody forced her to ask Cary Bass to desysop her, and it's doubtful that the ArbCom would have done it either. And it's not as though her being a regular editor means they're going to kick her off the sooperseekrit mailing list.
If you ask me, Durova is probably some sort of depressive personality with a major chip on her shoulder. She's a perfectionist, and not the good kind of perfectionist who actually strives for perfection, but the bad kind who freaks out when perfection can't be achieved — and who then starts blaming others when things go wrong, and ultimately gives up completely at the first instance of an unfixable "stain" on her "perfect record".
I doubt she'll stand for another RfA, we eventually may not even see all that much of her again, period. She'll stick around to defend herself (again, by blaming others), but once that gets tiresome, the place will have lost all interest for her. Regular admin duties like reverting vandals and cleaning up articles just aren't enough for sock-hunting super-sleuths, I'm afraid.
I haven't been able to follow all of the posts on this and the 5 or 6 other threads devoted to the Durova Debacle, but just from my sample it seems that everyone has missed the more likely possibility that Durova got disciplined not for going ban-anas on Bamm-Bamm — I mean, really, where's the novelty in yet another ban-button mainliner going Koo-Koo 4 Koko-Puffs over dey ??? — but because she outed the existence of SlimVirgin's enemas list.
Jonny
Real spy trumps make-believe spy.
QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 26th November 2007, 10:22pm)
So it's "the community" when majority opinion agrees, and "the mob" when majority opinion disagrees.
The elitists are showing their true scales, aren't they?
Cache's Cabinet Picks —
Jimbo = Richard ("The Third") Nixon
Durova = Spiro T. Agnew
Jayjg and JzG = Ehrlichman and Haldeman (never could tell them apart)
SlimVirgin = Jeane Kirkpatrick (never could tell Nixon and Reagan apart either)
Jonny
Jimbo = Richard ("The Third") Nixon
Durova = Spiro T. Agnew
Jayjg and JzG = Ehrlichman and Haldeman (never could tell them apart)
SlimVirgin = Jeane Kirkpatrick (never could tell Nixon and Reagan apart either)
Jonny
QUOTE(Derktar @ Mon 26th November 2007, 9:25pm)
Well that's my thought too, by sacrificing herself she may think the whole thing will blow over and everyone will forget about "the list."
That just makes no sense to me, I'm afraid... I mean, the horses are out of the barn as far as these mailing lists are concerned, so it just seems like there's little to be gained from giving up her ability to see deleted articles and revisions, even if she doesn't really need to block anybody herself. In other words, the whole thing could have blown over anyway. All she had to do was promise to stay out of the witch-hunting game, and maybe disappear for a few weeks.
Whereas, if she's got this nutball image of herself as some sort of Badass Woman Detective, a la V.I. Warshawski or something, and doesn't want to play the Wikipedia MMORPG game unless she can have that particular role, then the whole thing does make sense, at least to me.
Call me crazy...
QUOTE(wikiwhistle @ Tue 27th November 2007, 3:37am)
QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 27th November 2007, 1:17am)
with that admin receiving the disapproval of even the ArbCom, typically the reliable guardian of abusive admins.
Forgive me if I've missed a bit, but could you point me to some diffs where any members of ArbCom themselves disapproved of her actions? Some of them approved beforehand.
Well, I assumed that based on the speedy acceptance of the case and the proposed decision so far. "The evidence compiled by Durova, viewed as individual items and as a whole, was insufficient to justify blocking !! (talk · contribs) or taking any other action against him. No reasonable administrator would have blocked !! or taken any other action based on this evidence, nor was the block justified by any other available evidence." -- that seems pretty clear.
QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 26th November 2007, 9:42pm)
Cache's Cabinet Picks —
Jimbo = Richard ("The Third") Nixon
Durova = Spiro T. Agnew
Jayjg and JzG = Ehrlichman and Haldeman (never could tell them apart)
SlimVirgin = Jeane Kirkpatrick (never could tell Nixon and Reagan apart either)
Jonny
You nailed Durova, but I'm not sure Jimbo is Nixon. Which is worse?
Durova as Spiro ("...nattering nabobs of negativity...")
OR
Jimbo as Marharishi Mahesh Yogi ("Why can't we all just love each other?")
I think Jimbo is worse, because casual reporters and observers (which is all we've got left in Amerika) cannot get a handle on Jimbo easily. You have to really dig into Wikipedia. When was the last time a reporter in this country did any digging?
QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Tue 27th November 2007, 4:43am)
I think Jimbo is worse, because casual reporters and observers (which is all we've got left in Amerika) cannot get a handle on Jimbo easily. You have to really dig into Wikipedia. When was the last time a reporter in this country did any digging?
I think you'll recall what happened to the last time a top-notch sleuthing Columbia Journalism Review reporter did some digging into 'naked short selling'.
That reporter was very strongly encouraged not to do so any more.
QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Tue 27th November 2007, 4:43am)
QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 26th November 2007, 9:42pm)
Cache's Cabinet Picks —
Jimbo = Richard ("The Third") Nixon
Durova = Spiro T. Agnew
Jayjg and JzG = Ehrlichman and Haldeman (never could tell them apart)
SlimVirgin = Jeane Kirkpatrick (never could tell Nixon and Reagan apart either)
Jonny
You nailed Durova, but I'm not sure Jimbo is Nixon. Which is worse?
Durova as Spiro ("...nattering nabobs of negativity...")
OR
Jimbo as Marharishi Mahesh Yogi ("Why can't we all just love each other?")
I think Jimbo is worse, because casual reporters and observers (which is all we've got left in Amerika) cannot get a handle on Jimbo easily. You have to really dig into Wikipedia. When was the last time a reporter in this country did any digging?
I don't see Durova as Agnew. The resignation is all they have in common. Agnew wasn't Tricky Dick's prized attack dog. I see Durova as one of the WG Plumbers.
I do think Agnew, or maybe Kissinger, is more akin to Baudy's role, though.
Deep Throat?
That remains to be played out. Who's going to step up, or has someone already done so?
Right now, Wales is playing Ronnie Reagan, ca. 1988, Iran-contra.
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