QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Wed 28th November 2007, 12:24pm)

So it comes down to this: Supporters of WP characterize it's inner workings as a car crash; Critics of WP maintain it is a train wreck. We are making progress.
They characterise the inner workings that they want to draw attention away from as car crashes, and those things only. The things that we think are train wrecks are often held up as examples of Wikipedia working
well.