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Kato
How does user Calton (T-C-L-K-R-D) get away with having a user page like that?

QUOTE(Calton)
The above obviously includes the various trolls, spammers, quacks, greedheads, and crackpots -- and their enablers -- who hang out at ED and WR. I also seem to have attracted the unwanted attention of a crackpot spamming "psychologist" calling himself "Wyatt Ehrenfels", that indefinitely banned (for good reason) spammer Gregory Kohser, and various indefinitely banned anger-management poster children. If you're one of the those various trolls, spammers, quacks, greedheads, crackpots, and/or their enablers, welcome! Now get lost.


This is just a blatant attack on two named Wikipedians.

He's already been blocked a number of times for "Persistent incivility and taunting of other users".
Cla68
QUOTE(Kato @ Sun 15th February 2009, 7:36am) *

How does user Calton (T-C-L-K-R-D) get away with having a user page like that?

QUOTE(Calton)
The above obviously includes the various trolls, spammers, quacks, greedheads, and crackpots -- and their enablers -- who hang out at ED and WR. I also seem to have attracted the unwanted attention of a crackpot spamming "psychologist" calling himself "Wyatt Ehrenfels", that indefinitely banned (for good reason) spammer Gregory Kohser, and various indefinitely banned anger-management poster children. If you're one of the those various trolls, spammers, quacks, greedheads, crackpots, and/or their enablers, welcome! Now get lost.


This is just a blatant attack on two named Wikipedians.

He's already been blocked a number of times for "Persistent incivility and taunting of other users".


It seems that others have objected to it before but for some reason it has been allowed to remain. I thought giving a free pass to certain admins to insult banned editors by their real names was no longer allowed in Wikipedia. I guess I was wrong.
maggot3
Calton isn't an admin, but the fact that it was reverted back to about 7-8 times is astonishing.
Bottled_Spider
Drama Report
==========

Since Kato's post of 7:36am (UTC) the offending text has been :
[1] Removed by IP 78.102.45.128. First post using that IP, but apparently the Feds know who it is.
[2] Replaced by admin Gb (T-C-L-K-R-D) (This user has an alternate account here for use on public or shared computers). See fun fun fun on talkpage. Heh.
[3] Removed again by very semi-retired admin Alison (T-C-L-K-R-D) . This is a privacy/BLP issue as far as she's concerned. So there.
Moulton
QUOTE(Calton)
spammer Gregory Kohser

Does Calton get off on the technicality of failing to publish the correct name of that villainously vile miscreant and reprehensible reprobate, Greg Kohs?
everyking
How disappointing--I thought Calton had left after he was blocked for one of his temper tantrums late last year. Anyway, isn't he supposed to be under some kind of civility restriction? Wasn't that agreed on ANI?
Cla68
QUOTE(everyking @ Sun 15th February 2009, 2:45pm) *

How disappointing--I thought Calton had left after he was blocked for one of his temper tantrums late last year. Anyway, isn't he supposed to be under some kind of civility restriction? Wasn't that agreed on ANI?


I figured by his imperious behavior that Calton was an admin. Anyway, it looks like Calton was trying to shame Greg and the other guy by naming them on his userpage. Absolutely bush league behavior. The only thing more embarrassing to see is that a few admins were trying to help him do it.
tarantino
QUOTE(Bottled_Spider @ Sun 15th February 2009, 1:45pm) *

Drama Report
==========

Since Kato's post of 7:36am (UTC) the offending text has been :
[1] Removed by IP 78.102.45.128. First post using that IP, but apparently the Feds know who it is.
[2] Replaced by admin Gb (T-C-L-K-R-D) (This user has an alternate account here for use on public or shared computers). See fun fun fun on talkpage. Heh.
[3] Removed again by very semi-retired admin Alison (T-C-L-K-R-D) . This is a privacy/BLP issue as far as she's concerned. So there.


So Alison has made it stick. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (T-C-L-K-R-D) removed the same offense 3 times in a 3 week period. He was reverted each time by an admin and was thanked with a 48 hour block for disruption.

This is a guy who's been around for 3 years (albeit with a 2 year break in the middle), and spends virtually all his time repairing biographies of living people. Arbcom dickhead Coren declines his first unblock request with the rationale "the blocking admin makes a good argument that your behavior has been nonetheless disruptive."

The second unblock request begins with "I'm sorry. This is Kafkaesque. It is not disputed that I did not make the edit for which I was blocked." The very special Sandahl replies "You say you are Kafkaesque, if you are User:Kafkaesque you need to need to make this unblock request in this account name."

If any of you wikipediacs are looking to be nudged towards thw WP exit, here you go.
Moulton
Welcome to Kafkapedia.

Or is it Cacapedia?

Or Ferchachtapedia?
Milton Roe
QUOTE(tarantino @ Sun 15th February 2009, 1:47pm) *

The second unblock request begins with "I'm sorry. This is Kafkaesque. It is not disputed that I did not make the edit for which I was blocked." The very special Sandahl replies "You say you are Kafkaesque, if you are User:Kafkaesque you need to need to make this unblock request in this account name."

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

You'll have to admit that is very funny. In a mindless, beaurocratic, machinelike Kafkaesque sort of way, of course. smile.gif

Where else can you get this sort of stuff, except maybe the military or the DMV (where we Americans go to register our cars, although our legislators don't have to use the ones we use, so they're not subjected to this. Rather the same with their health care.)
A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(Moulton @ Sun 15th February 2009, 3:49pm) *

Welcome to Kafkapedia.

Or is it Cacapedia?

Or Ferchachtapedia?



Cuckoopedia evilgrin.gif
AuburnPilot
Well, it seems Mr. Wales himself has picked up this cause. See his comment on my talk page here. Exciting, I'm sure.

Wales also seems to think User:Gb should hand in his admin bit.[1]
Kato
QUOTE(AuburnPilot @ Sun 15th February 2009, 10:27pm) *

Well, it seems Mr. Wales himself has picked up this cause. See his comment on my talk page here. Exciting, I'm sure.

Wales also seems to think User:Gb should hand in his admin bit.[1]

Well done, Jimbo - again.

Jimbo is fast becoming one of the most reasonable figures on WP.

I know... I can't believe it either.
tarantino
QUOTE(AuburnPilot @ Sun 15th February 2009, 10:27pm) *

Well, it seems Mr. Wales himself has picked up this cause. See his comment on my talk page here. Exciting, I'm sure.

Wales also seems to think User:Gb should hand in his admin bit.[1]

big :)

Well, that didn't take long once it was pushed up the ladder! Good job, Jimbo.

edit: AP, regarding the IP's edits, even though he may be a banned user, his actions were more appropriate than yours.
AuburnPilot
QUOTE(tarantino @ Sun 15th February 2009, 4:58pm) *

QUOTE(AuburnPilot @ Sun 15th February 2009, 10:27pm) *

Well, it seems Mr. Wales himself has picked up this cause. See his comment on my talk page here. Exciting, I'm sure.

Wales also seems to think User:Gb should hand in his admin bit.[1]

big smile.gif

Well, that didn't take long once it was pushed up the ladder! Good job, Jimbo.

edit: AP, regarding the IP's edits, even though he may be a banned user, his actions were more appropriate than yours.


I didn't block User:78.102.139.57 (who you link to above). I did block User:78.102.45.141, however, and for 1 week no less. Although the two IPs are obviously the same person, I can understand the sentiment and likely wouldn't make the same block.
Bottled_Spider
QUOTE(tarantino @ Sun 15th February 2009, 8:47pm) *
So Alison has made it stick. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (T-C-L-K-R-D) removed the same offense 3 times in a 3 week period. He was reverted each time by an admin and was thanked with a 48 hour block for disruption.

First block was by Calton, second by Badger Drink, third by Auburn Pilot. I know Calton isn't an admin; is Badger Drink? And Gb was the hatchet-man. What a bunch of scumbags.
QUOTE
The second unblock request begins with "I'm sorry. This is Kafkaesque. It is not disputed that I did not make the edit for which I was blocked." The very special Sandahl replies "You say you are Kafkaesque, if you are User:Kafkaesque you need to need to make this unblock request in this account name."

Yes. Mr. Sandahl, who wouldn't recognize the term "Kafkaesque" as he's no fan of Kafka (being much too verbose for his tastes) is clearly a prize numptard who needs, nay, begs to have a hobnailed boot planted upside his arse. Theoretically speaking, of course.
dtobias
QUOTE(Kato @ Sun 15th February 2009, 5:39pm) *

Jimbo is fast becoming one of the most reasonable figures on WP.


...in the sense of "reasonable" as in "Be reasonable: do it my way!" (which, I believe, was the text of a Mad magazine sticker distributed as part of a sheet of clever-slogan stickers inserted into one of their 1970s giant-size special issues).

But we all think that way; for instance, I've never had the strong dislike of David Gerard many of you have, because he actually more-or-less took my side in the big BADSITES wars of a couple of years ago... which made him "reasonable" by my own definition!
Milton Roe
QUOTE

"I'm sorry. This is Kafkaesque. It is not disputed that I did not make the edit for which I was blocked."

"You say you are Kafkaesque, if you are User:Kafkaesque you need to need to make this unblock request in this account name."


The more I look at it, the more I think this priceless exchange really deserves to be immortalized. Could somebody please add it to WP:LAME so it doesn't get lost?

EricBarbour
Calton sez:
QUOTE
If you are here to make an argument dependent on arcane or convoluted interpretations of Wikipedia guidelines or rules,
note that Wikipedia is not game of nomic nor a court of law.
Coulda fooled me. yecch.gif

QUOTE(Kato @ Sun 15th February 2009, 5:39pm) *

Jimbo is fast becoming one of the most reasonable figures on WP.
Might have something to do with the tidal wave of bullshit and edit-war his
Frankenstein creation is slowly succumbing to.
Not to mention the bad publicity.
Kato
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Mon 16th February 2009, 12:23am) *

QUOTE

"I'm sorry. This is Kafkaesque. It is not disputed that I did not make the edit for which I was blocked."

"You say you are Kafkaesque, if you are User:Kafkaesque you need to need to make this unblock request in this account name."


The more I look at it, the more I think this priceless exchange really deserves to be immortalized. Could somebody please add it to WP:LAME so it doesn't get lost?

You're right.

When I first saw it, I thought it was someone taking the piss, but it now seems like that reply was genuine. Sandahl (T-C-L-K-R-D) really did say that in seriousness, thinking that the guy was User:Kafkaesque. Just when you think the Irony factor on Wikipedia couldn't go any further.
jawdrop.gif
dtobias
There doesn't seem to be an actual User:Kafkaesque, but User:KafkaesqueDream has been indef-blocked as a sockpuppet.
Kato
QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 16th February 2009, 12:33am) *

There doesn't seem to be an actual User:Kafkaesque, but User:KafkaesqueDream has been indef-blocked as a sockpuppet.

User:Kafkaesque

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=...&year=&month=-1
EricBarbour
QUOTE(Kato @ Sun 15th February 2009, 4:37pm) *

QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 16th February 2009, 12:33am) *

There doesn't seem to be an actual User:Kafkaesque, but User:KafkaesqueDream has been indef-blocked as a sockpuppet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=...&year=&month=-1

Sorry....that's very Kafkaesque.....sorry..... biggrin.gif
everyking
Calton should have been banned years ago. It's great that he can't get away with everything he wants anymore, but the fact that the guy is allowed to edit at all is a sad, sad statement. He is absolute poison, and anyone who behaved so outrageously while taking a stance in opposition to the power structure would be banned within a day.
EricBarbour
Has everyone seen the SF Weekly article about Calton? (Well, partly about Calton. Mostly about Griot.)

Calton's rants about the article are quite a hoot.)
One
QUOTE(Kato @ Sun 15th February 2009, 10:39pm) *

Well done, Jimbo - again.

Jimbo is fast becoming one of the most reasonable figures on WP.

I know... I can't believe it either.

Glad you're saying rather than me. GBG owes me some more abuse for my occasional remarks that Jimbo is right about various things. Also right about: BLP, flagged revisions, editorial restraint on pornographic images.
EricBarbour
QUOTE(One @ Sun 15th February 2009, 7:52pm) *

GBG owes me some more abuse for my occasional remarks that Jimbo is right about various things. Also right about: BLP, flagged revisions, editorial restraint on pornographic images.

Now, let's see you talk the Holy One into making the flagged-revs decision work.
So far, I have seen no evidence that anything relating to BLPs has changed.
One
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Mon 16th February 2009, 4:30am) *

QUOTE(One @ Sun 15th February 2009, 7:52pm) *

GBG owes me some more abuse for my occasional remarks that Jimbo is right about various things. Also right about: BLP, flagged revisions, editorial restraint on pornographic images.

Now, let's see you talk the Holy One into making the flagged-revs decision work.
So far, I have seen no evidence that anything relating to BLPs has changed.

Yeah, but the funny thing is that Wales is actually on the rights side of these issues. If Jimbo has no special status, then all proposals will fail to achieve consensus at the hands of Bloc "Anyone Can Edit." I hope that he does retain special status--just about anything would be better than the oppressive stagnancy of Wikipedia's "consensus" governance.
everyking
QUOTE(One @ Mon 16th February 2009, 5:38am) *

QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Mon 16th February 2009, 4:30am) *

QUOTE(One @ Sun 15th February 2009, 7:52pm) *

GBG owes me some more abuse for my occasional remarks that Jimbo is right about various things. Also right about: BLP, flagged revisions, editorial restraint on pornographic images.

Now, let's see you talk the Holy One into making the flagged-revs decision work.
So far, I have seen no evidence that anything relating to BLPs has changed.

Yeah, but the funny thing is that Wales is actually on the rights side of these issues. If Jimbo has no special status, then all proposals will fail to achieve consensus at the hands of Bloc "Anyone Can Edit." I hope that he does retain special status--just about anything would be better than the oppressive stagnancy of Wikipedia's "consensus" governance.


Regardless of whether he happens to be right on some broad issues, if his special status is well-respected, he is more inclined to make unilateral decisions, which often involve abuse of individuals for wiki-political reasons. Does anyone remember how, back in late 2007, he was talking ominously about an upcoming purge (while simultaneously sending me threatening e-mails)? That never happened, because Jimbo's community standing declined. I'll take community consensus over Jimbo autocracy any day, but what I'd really like to see is a proper governance system in which major issues can be decided according to a defined percentage, such as 55% support.
Alison
QUOTE(Bottled_Spider @ Sun 15th February 2009, 5:45am) *

[3] Removed again by very semi-retired admin Alison (T-C-L-K-R-D) . This is a privacy/BLP issue as far as she's concerned. So there.

That's extremely semi-demi retired to you, sir! laugh.gif laugh.gif evilgrin.gif

Good to see it stayed gone, too. It was simply not appropriate. I noticed Badger Drink swooped in afterwards to revert me, then thought better of it and re-reverted (de-verted?) himself with, "Self-revert - dunno quite what happened there, try not to do it again. That said - not a biography, BLP is silly to apply here" blink.gif dry.gif
UseOnceAndDestroy
QUOTE(Kato @ Sun 15th February 2009, 10:39pm) *

Well done, Jimbo - again.

Jimbo is fast becoming one of the most reasonable figures on WP.

I know... I can't believe it either.

The more I think about it, the more I try to make sense of it this way:

Jimbo is not a leader. In the absence of sufficient income for a jet, he's in it for the "social capital". Once the direction of the wind starts to change, I reckon one can rely on Jimbo to follow.
Bottled_Spider
QUOTE(Alison @ Mon 16th February 2009, 7:16am) *
QUOTE(Bottled_Spider @ Sun 15th February 2009, 5:45am) *
[3] Removed again by very semi-retired admin Alison (T-C-L-K-R-D) . This is a privacy/BLP issue as far as she's concerned. So there.

That's extremely semi-demi retired to you, sir! laugh.gif laugh.gif evilgrin.gif

Simply do a JzG and score out the "RE-" bit. Better still, score out "TIRED" and everyone will scratch their heads wondering what the fuck "SEMI-RE" means.
QUOTE
Good to see it stayed gone, too. It was simply not appropriate. I noticed Badger Drink swooped in afterwards to revert me, then thought better of it and re-reverted (de-verted?) himself with, "Self-revert - dunno quite what happened there, try not to do it again. That said - not a biography, BLP is silly to apply here" blink.gif dry.gif

Obviously what happened there was a kind of reflex action. He knew what he was doing, but he watched, in horror, as his hand reached for the mouse/keyboard and did the shit, and he couldn't stop it. He's a bit of a loonie, I think, and should be in care. Also, his name reminds me of something I heard once ..... "OK, my dog is stupid, but he can hold his own in a fight with a badger".
Cedric
QUOTE(UseOnceAndDestroy @ Mon 16th February 2009, 3:49am) *

QUOTE(Kato @ Sun 15th February 2009, 10:39pm) *

Well done, Jimbo - again.

Jimbo is fast becoming one of the most reasonable figures on WP.

I know... I can't believe it either.

The more I think about it, the more I try to make sense of it this way:

Jimbo is not a leader. In the absence of sufficient income for a jet, he's in it for the "social capital". Once the direction of the wind starts to change, I reckon one can rely on Jimbo to follow.

While that certainly could be the explanation for Jimbo's recent attack of reasonableness, I think it more likely that one or more of the big ticket donors that the WMF has recently acquired have been bringing pressure to bear on him to clean up Wikipedia. The irony here is that it is the most ideologically hard line wikipediots that are resisting reform, and Jimbo was the one most responsible for creating that ideology to begin with.
everyking
Calton has not edited since the personal attacks were removed from his user page. How will Wikipedia manage to do without his services in tagging user pages for speedy deletion? It's remarkable how Calton was able to find a niche on Wikipedia that so neatly suited his hateful and vindictive personality. Simply editing articles would bore him to tears, I suppose; he has to find a way to annoy and frustrate people.
LaraLove
QUOTE(Alison @ Mon 16th February 2009, 2:16am) *

[...] Badger Drink [...] re-reverted (de-verted?) himself with, "Self-revert - dunno quite what happened there, try not to do it again. That said - not a biography, BLP is silly to apply here" blink.gif dry.gif

Someone should explain BLP to Badger Drink. This is an important one.
EricBarbour
QUOTE(everyking @ Thu 19th February 2009, 5:40pm) *
It's remarkable how Calton was able to find a niche on Wikipedia that so neatly suited his hateful and vindictive personality.

Hope you're joking.........
A Horse With No Name
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sun 15th February 2009, 10:21pm) *

Has everyone seen the SF Weekly article about Calton? (Well, partly about Calton. Mostly about Griot.)

Calton's rants about the article are quite a hoot.)


Oh, it was hilarious to see Boodlesthecat in the article, too! He was blocked for a year last Christmas because of his shenanigans. It is also funny to see Blow of Light mentioned as well -- that is one person you never trust with a secret!
LaraLove
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 20th February 2009, 11:38am) *

It is also funny to see Blow of Light mentioned as well -- that is one person you never trust with a secret!

I lol'd at that one myself.
tarantino
QUOTE(everyking @ Fri 20th February 2009, 1:40am) *

Calton has not edited since the personal attacks were removed from his user page. How will Wikipedia manage to do without his services in tagging user pages for speedy deletion? It's remarkable how Calton was able to find a niche on Wikipedia that so neatly suited his hateful and vindictive personality. Simply editing articles would bore him to tears, I suppose; he has to find a way to annoy and frustrate people.


He's probably busy writing Amazon reviews on books written by people he doesn't like. One victim writes
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[Calton] sprays the world like a male feline marking his territory.


That or Jimmy had a private chat with him after his public chat with Gb. Gb resigned shortly thereafter.
EricBarbour
QUOTE(tarantino @ Fri 20th February 2009, 11:19am) *

He's probably busy writing Amazon reviews on books written by people he doesn't like.

Hey! Nice find!
QUOTE
Apparently, CALTON managed to find something called the Administrator's Noticeboard, and explicitly requested Wikipedia's authorities delete the references to his name. And his wish was granted. I issued a similar appeal for references to "Wyatt Ehrenfels" with respect to potentially destructive libel from CALTON, but Wikipedia's administrators ignored the request. I can't think of better evidence for corruption at the top.

(Jesus. Ehrenfels is really, really pissed off. And I don't blame him.....)
Kurt M. Weber
The real question is, why does Calton hate Wikipedia?
Herschelkrustofsky
QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 20th February 2009, 8:38am) *

QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sun 15th February 2009, 10:21pm) *

Has everyone seen the SF Weekly article about Calton? (Well, partly about Calton. Mostly about Griot.)

Calton's rants about the article are quite a hoot.)


Oh, it was hilarious to see Boodlesthecat in the article, too! He was blocked for a year last Christmas because of his shenanigans. It is also funny to see Blow of Light mentioned as well -- that is one person you never trust with a secret!
Boodles blocked for a year? He does rank high on the incivility scale. I have found him to be strangely inconsistent; he challenges a certain amount of nonsense in a useful way, and then turns around and acts like a complete imbecile.
QUOTE
But some users say that Griot seems to have a skill for baiting others to the point where they violated Wikipedia policies. He would then report them to administrators, which could result in them being blocked. SF Weekly
Well, that's Wikipedia 101, right there.
tarantino
Hi Calton! We love you too.
QUOTE

My user page

Oh, of course, the guy who likes to cavort with the whack-jobs, loons, spammers, trolls, sociopaths, and other bad actors at Wikipedia Review and then come to Wikipedia to carry water for them deigns to give me advice about appropriate behavior. "Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas" is the old expression. Hope you have plenty of flea powder. --Calton | Talk 13:40, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


And there's JzG adding his voice of reason. You go Guy!
QUOTE

So you think it's a BLP violation to note that WR users are often banned trolls and spammers? I offer for your consideration JB196 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) and Jon Awbrey (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log). Perhaps if WR did a little housecleaning there would be less temptation to describe it as a cesspit. I'm all for renaming those accounts of banned users which are easily traceable to a real-world identity, but not to the point that we then forget who they are and pretend that their input is somehow welcome here. Guy (Help!) 07:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


LaraLove
QUOTE(Kurt M. Weber @ Wed 25th February 2009, 4:18pm) *

The real question is, why does Calton hate Wikipedia?

I hope you at least amuse yourself.

QUOTE(tarantino @ Sun 1st March 2009, 12:01am) *

QUOTE

So you think it's a BLP violation to note that WR users are often banned trolls and spammers? I offer for your consideration JB196 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) and Jon Awbrey (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log). Perhaps if WR did a little housecleaning there would be less temptation to describe it as a cesspit. I'm all for renaming those accounts of banned users which are easily traceable to a real-world identity, but not to the point that we then forget who they are and pretend that their input is somehow welcome here. Guy (Help!) 07:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


Ah. If only WP would do some better house cleaning. Get rid of the hypocrites.
EricBarbour
QUOTE
So you think it's a BLP violation to note that WR users are often banned trolls and spammers? I offer for your consideration JB196 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) and Jon Awbrey (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log). Perhaps if WR did a little housecleaning there would be less temptation to describe it as a cesspit. I'm all for renaming those accounts of banned users which are easily traceable to a real-world identity, but not to the point that we then forget who they are and pretend that their input is somehow welcome here. Guy (Help!) 07:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
yecch.gif

Y'know, if I logged into WP and did even one-TENTH of what Calton has been up to,
the very same little bastards on that ANI thread, who are saying snivelling things like
"I can see nothing particularly objectionable at his userpage, and no violations of WP:BLP",
would be standing in line to ban me.

Some pigs are more equal than others.

Thanks LessHeard, for trying to point out the hypocrisy of Guy's statement.
Wasting your time, of course.
everyking
Any admin reading this thread, please just block him and be done with it. Calton's continued presence on a site that purports to value civility and collaboration is a bad joke at best.
Cedric
QUOTE(LaraLove @ Sat 28th February 2009, 11:40pm) *

QUOTE(tarantino @ Sun 1st March 2009, 12:01am) *

QUOTE

So you think it's a BLP violation to note that WR users are often banned trolls and spammers? I offer for your consideration JB196 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) and Jon Awbrey (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log). Perhaps if WR did a little housecleaning there would be less temptation to describe it as a cesspit. I'm all for renaming those accounts of banned users which are easily traceable to a real-world identity, but not to the point that we then forget who they are and pretend that their input is somehow welcome here. Guy (Help!) 07:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


Ah. If only WP would do some better house cleaning. Get rid of the hypocrites.

If WP got rid of all the hypocrites and hypocrisy, it would no longer be WP.
Kato
QUOTE(JzG)

So you think it's a BLP violation to note that WR users are often banned trolls and spammers? I offer for your consideration JB196 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) and Jon Awbrey (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log). Perhaps if WR did a little housecleaning there would be less temptation to describe it as a cesspit. I'm all for renaming those accounts of banned users which are easily traceable to a real-world identity, but not to the point that we then forget who they are and pretend that their input is somehow welcome here. Guy (Help!) 07:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


Who the hell is JB196?

And since when was Jon Awbrey a "troll and spammer"? He got blocked after getting attacked by someone's sockpuppets on the Charles Peirce article, and for falling foul of SlimVirgin and co on the Original Research Policy pages.
Cla68
QUOTE(Kato @ Sun 1st March 2009, 8:32pm) *

QUOTE(JzG)

So you think it's a BLP violation to note that WR users are often banned trolls and spammers? I offer for your consideration JB196 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log) and Jon Awbrey (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · block user · block log). Perhaps if WR did a little housecleaning there would be less temptation to describe it as a cesspit. I'm all for renaming those accounts of banned users which are easily traceable to a real-world identity, but not to the point that we then forget who they are and pretend that their input is somehow welcome here. Guy (Help!) 07:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


Who the hell is JB196?

And since when was Jon Awbrey a "troll and spammer"? He got blocked after getting attacked by someone's sockpuppets on the Charles Peirce article, and for falling foul of SlimVirgin and co on the Original Research Policy pages.


A "troll and spammer" is anyone who wins an argument with certain WP admins/editors.
Kato
Jon Awbrey's block is detailed here:

Indefinitely blocked — exhausted the community's patience

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=74315970

described by WAS 4.250

QUOTE(WAS 4.250)
User:Jon Awbrey's edits in article space are very beneficial to wikipedia and should be allowed to continue so long they continue to be beneficial. His edits outside article space have indeed exhausted the community's patience. One concern here is that article edits by him as an anon or a new name might be reverted to no good end. I'm sure you guys can work out the details. Thanks. WAS 4.250 05:32, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

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