QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 14th November 2009, 2:41pm)
QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Sat 14th November 2009, 1:13pm)
I thought there were cute emoticons for this type of sarcasm. Admittedly, I personally don't use them, but I also edit Wikipedia, so I think we already know what God (or lack thereof) I worship. Be the bigger man and mark your wit!
What's the average take from a convenience store robbery? $200? Maybe $500 tops? The WMF is getting
millions per year by calling themselves a "charity," socking it away in a bank somewhere, and all the while they're putting reference publishers out of business and professional knowledge-workers out on the street. Meanwhile, they're doing nothing substantive at all for the "starving children in Africa" they profess to care about - in fact, they might be making their situations worse by circumventing the development of local/indigenous reference publishing in those countries.
I think the correct term for this is "bollocks" (can I get a Brit over here?).
There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of the Wikimedia Foundation, but the fact that they've gone from $3 million to $6 million when they're running a top-ten website and involving themselves in far too many side projects is not one of them. The Wikimedia Foundation provides educational content for free. Without radically changing the definition of a "non-profit charity," I don't see how you can say they're not one. (For what it's worth, if this is discussed in greater detail in another thread, feel free to link me, I'm curious what the substantive arguments here are.)
With regard to putting people out of business, if we're going to make bad analogies, do you blame ATMs for the lack of so many bank tellers today? Will you be objecting to automated drug dispensers that will eventually replace most pharmacists? Photo developing used to be done in photo labs with actual film; today people just point and click at their computer screens at home. Your argument seems to be that progress and technology are putting people out of business and that's a bad thing. I can agree that they're putting people out of business (I think that much is undeniable), but it's the price we as a society pay for more efficiency and better technology.
I think you're going to argue that Wikipedia is producing content of substantially less quality than a professional publisher would and I would agree that most of Wikipedia's content is crap, but I don't see how that's Wikipedia's fault, per se. The market chooses what it wants; if it chooses free lesser-quality content over paid, higher-quality content, that's the fault of those producing the free content? Seems a bit unfair to me.
QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 14th November 2009, 2:41pm)
All they really do is make it harder for schoolteachers to know if their students are actually learning anything, other than how to do cut-n-paste plagiarism on term papers.
I need you to (please) explain to me how this argument is relevant given the greater context that Wikipedia is one website out of the entire Internet.
QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 14th November 2009, 2:41pm)
I'll admit that most people who rob convenience stores probably just use the money for drugs, booze, or guns, so I'm not trying to defend them... The point is, they don't get to do what they do in full view of everyone, and they do go to prison if they get caught. Not so with the WMF.
The primary issue (where you really lose any semblance of an argument, in my opinion) is that you're equating the distribution of an online encyclopedia with armed robbery and not providing anything compelling to back up your assertions. Have some of the Wikimedia Foundation's actions been unethical? Without a doubt. Have some of the Wikimedia Foundation's actions been illegal? I'd venture to say yes, though the
Review's version of "break the law" and the, uh, law's seem to be often be quite different. Regardless, I don't think it's fair or even sane to make the analogy outside of pure sarcasm.
There's plenty of reasonable and legitimate criticism to be had. Squandering credibility on nonsense arguments like "Wikimedia is akin to bank robbers" just drowns out the signal.