Full Version: The German wikipedia is broken
Translation of one bit which I liked:
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The problem at Wikipedia cannot be solved with money.
So it is. The more I learn about Wikipedia, the less enthusiastic I am about it. Community poison. Frustration machine.
So it is. The more I learn about Wikipedia, the less enthusiastic I am about it. Community poison. Frustration machine.
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Community poison. Frustration machine.
But that's just a natural evolution of a community. After 8 years of existence and incorporation of users of every kind, a community which becomes this big is bound to cause the aforementioned problems. The hardcore players take control, and start frustrating all the others. In the end most of the players will be out and the hardcore ones will eat each other.
QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 17th November 2009, 3:38am) 
Translation of one bit which I liked:
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The problem at Wikipedia cannot be solved with money.
So it is. The more I learn about Wikipedia, the less enthusiastic I am about it. Community poison. Frustration machine.
So it is. The more I learn about Wikipedia, the less enthusiastic I am about it. Community poison. Frustration machine.
Coincidentally, "Poison Frustration Machine" is the name of my new death metal band...
QUOTE(Text @ Tue 17th November 2009, 11:09am)
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Community poison. Frustration machine.
But that's just a natural evolution of a community. After 8 years of existence and incorporation of users of every kind, a community which becomes this big is bound to cause the aforementioned problems. The hardcore players take control, and start frustrating all the others. In the end most of the players will be out and the hardcore ones will eat each other.
Strange to label encyclopedia writers as "players". You did just do that, right?
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Strange to label encyclopedia writers as "players". You did just do that, right?
What term would you use? The first time i read some page outside the article space on the english wikipedia, i thought "what the hell?". Specifically it was the page about Willy on Wheels and his multiple accounts, which contained much information regarding his strategies to move pages, the usage of Firefox to move more pages with tabs, and other helpful tips for a game of editors versus vandals, similar to cops versus robbers.
Nobody on Wikipedia is an encyclopedia writer, they're just posting pages on a host.
This is way old and way off topic but I've been noticing the header that "The German wikipedia is broken" ever since I showed up here and have always have had an itch to say...
... maybe, but it's better than English Wikipedia in many respects. (Degree of brokeness?)
On articles related to Poland and Germany I'd trust a German Wiki article over a English Wiki one anyday, even if I have to throw the former into a Google translator. In fact when faced with some obnoxious POV pushing in this area, the first place I go to is German Wiki, Google translator and all, to see where I'm being lied too or to find the relevant sources.
I really really wish that English Wiki could become more like German Wiki in this particular regard. I don't quite understand the psychology involved, or perhaps the Wiki-rules developed there work better, but it just seems like on German Wiki you got normal people writing normal articles about controversial subjects, whereas on English Wiki we get the "crazy" tail-end of the distribution. On German Wiki, there's folks who keep a check on the nutzoids there. On EN wiki the topic becomes esoteric enough, that the only editors involved are the wackos and the Polish editors who take it personally (and sometimes overreact).
Replacing every single Polish-German En Wiki article by its German Wiki google translation, bad grammar, awkward idioms, mistranslations and all, would still probably be a net improvement to En Wiki article quality.
So this is just to say Cheers to the editors of German Wikipedia. You've done a better job than you think.
... maybe, but it's better than English Wikipedia in many respects. (Degree of brokeness?)
On articles related to Poland and Germany I'd trust a German Wiki article over a English Wiki one anyday, even if I have to throw the former into a Google translator. In fact when faced with some obnoxious POV pushing in this area, the first place I go to is German Wiki, Google translator and all, to see where I'm being lied too or to find the relevant sources.
I really really wish that English Wiki could become more like German Wiki in this particular regard. I don't quite understand the psychology involved, or perhaps the Wiki-rules developed there work better, but it just seems like on German Wiki you got normal people writing normal articles about controversial subjects, whereas on English Wiki we get the "crazy" tail-end of the distribution. On German Wiki, there's folks who keep a check on the nutzoids there. On EN wiki the topic becomes esoteric enough, that the only editors involved are the wackos and the Polish editors who take it personally (and sometimes overreact).
Replacing every single Polish-German En Wiki article by its German Wiki google translation, bad grammar, awkward idioms, mistranslations and all, would still probably be a net improvement to En Wiki article quality.
So this is just to say Cheers to the editors of German Wikipedia. You've done a better job than you think.
QUOTE(radek @ Sat 9th January 2010, 6:33am)
This is way old and way off topic but I've been noticing the header that "The German wikipedia is broken" ever since I showed up here and have always have had an itch to say...
... maybe, but it's better than English Wikipedia in many respects. (Degree of brokeness?)
On articles related to Poland and Germany I'd trust a German Wiki article over a English Wiki one anyday, even if I have to throw the former into a Google translator. In fact when faced with some obnoxious POV pushing in this area, the first place I go to is German Wiki, Google translator and all, to see where I'm being lied too or to find the relevant sources.
I really really wish that English Wiki could become more like German Wiki in this particular regard. I don't quite understand the psychology involved, or perhaps the Wiki-rules developed there work better, but it just seems like on German Wiki you got normal people writing normal articles about controversial subjects, whereas on English Wiki we get the "crazy" tail-end of the distribution. On German Wiki, there's folks who keep a check on the nutzoids there. On EN wiki the topic becomes esoteric enough, that the only editors involved are the wackos and the Polish editors who take it personally (and sometimes overreact).
Replacing every single Polish-German En Wiki article by its German Wiki google translation, bad grammar, awkward idioms, mistranslations and all, would still probably be a net improvement to En Wiki article quality.
So this is just to say Cheers to the editors of German Wikipedia. You've done a better job than you think.
: both polish n german wikipedias have their own rules, way too many things reverted, nothing good!
QUOTE(radek @ Fri 8th January 2010, 11:33pm)
On articles related to Poland and Germany I'd trust a German Wiki article over a English Wiki one anyday
Ja, ja. But unser Nazi-wiki back in 1939 was even besser.
It showed a World-Karte where all counties had the same colour and a wunderbar Hakenkreuz pasted all über it.
QUOTE(Text @ Thu 19th November 2009, 1:41am)
Nobody on Wikipedia is an encyclopedia writer, they're just posting pages on a host.
.. a bulletin board linked together as a MMORPG.
ja
Meine Damen und Herren,
Zis thread iz outrageous and should be verboten!
Zis thread iz outrageous and should be verboten!
Speak German!
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