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I haven't really followed the careers of the newer ones climbing the ladder of success on Planet Wiki. Any suggestions for other would-be admins like 'Coldplay Expert' - examples of noxious and sick-making behaviour would be useful.

Perhaps we could draw up a shortlist for the WP:DICK awards.

Coldplay's myspace talkpage buddy Thejadefalcon (T-C-L-K-R-D) takes runner up in the slack-jawed and drooling competition.

Yes can we have some slack-jawed and drooly diffs please if possible to keep as amused.

Well, I found this self-centred saccharine nonsense quite vomit-inducing. "Oh no, I'll never be an admin now, I've lost all respect". How can you lose what you never had?

I'm quite taken by the "This user knows that Nazi Germany is in no way assiciated with the real Germany" on CE's userpage. Presumably all the real Germans popped out to the shops, and when they weren't looking those sneaky imposters occupied Western Europe.

Maybe he just found out?

He seems to be self-destructing due to some sockpuppetry allegation.

Apparently, there's a script running under an account called Rick Bot (T-C-L-K-R-D) that maintains a page called Wikipedia:List of administrator hopefuls (T-H-L-K-D), though this isn't specifically mentioned on the Rick Bot user page. If I understand this correctly, any time a user places the "{{Template:User wikipedia/Administrator someday}}" userbox on his/her user page, the page gets added to Category:Wikipedia administrator hopefuls and this script adds the user to the list, and also checks for users who have had "successful" RfA's and places them in a separate part of the list - in the third (last) section. (Since the last section of the list has nobody in it, presumably one of the first things all newly-minted admins do is remove that "would like to be an admin someday" template from their user pages.)

Anyway, there aren't really a lot of familiar names on that list. I recognized Promethean (T-C-L-K-R-D) from a recent Malleus-related dust-up, and Moe Epsilon (T-C-L-K-R-D) , and of course the inevitable Razorflame (T-C-L-K-R-D) . I also remember Dendodge (T-C-L-K-R-D) , who was one of those who ran afoul of Mr. Friday's "oppose all minors" rule on RfA voting, and a couple others look sort of familiar... All in all, though, nobody really leaps out. That probably just means that the vast majority of wannabe admins have finally twigged to the "head-down, shut up, avoid controversy" route to WP adminship.

Perhaps he could explain then why there are former Nazis, involved in the occupation of Denmark, still living in Germany?

There is a story "The Groaning Hinges of the World" by R A Lafferty that suggests that every so often various places in the world such as Germany flip over and swap the people living there for subterranean people. Maybe hes read that story.

I was pretty unimpressed with him in a discussion on the WWII talk page. I get the feeling that he's just very young, and perhaps needs to read more books and go to school a bit longer. I don't think he's a bad kid, just out of his league (or in his league, if you consider the crowd he's running with).

Dendodge was a shame. I nominated him... eight months ago? And it failed largely for age/maturity reasons. He's now a sysop on en.wikinews having passed RfA unanimously and hasn't had any issues.

I still think he would be an excellent admin on en.wiki, but I don't think he's very active anymore.

I think I might just drop that template on my userpage, just to see what happens.

Can do, easily, if anyone's really interested. Lotta time to dig through "i am nt wrthy" crap and varous kiss-assery. And since Coldplay's clearly the Princess...

While working with {{helpme}}'s, one certainly runs across myspacers and newbies who have no clue what they were doing. However, I think we all forget sometimes to be patient... Of course I understand the difference between a newbie vandal, and a newbie myspacer, but I believe that many of us just become overwhelmed and begin biting.

Again, I'm not saying Coldplay Expert hasn't been on my nerves, and I was especially appalled regarding the barnstar entitled "The Helping Random Idiots Who Can't Use Wikipedia" , given to him/ her by one of his/ her myspacing friends. No calling newbies idiots... please.

Well, somebody hit a nerve. Quite why Malleus is the bad guy here, I'm not quite sure.

That is not "building an encyclopedia". That is shit.

I wonder how many broken articles could be fixed by those little children,
instead of wasting several hours on this "argument"?

Malleus, you'd better not give in to any of them, esp. not CE.

Have you seen what he posted on his userpage today?

It's fashionable.


As if. Yeah, I saw that earlier. What amuses me is that these planks get upset when they feel insulted, but believe they nevertheless have the right to insult others. For myself, I don't care what epithets someone I've never met throws my way. Sticks and stones and all that. In fact I rarely care about the epithets that someone I have met throws my way, unless I've got a reason to respect their opinion.

*flounce*

Serious point; I think the main problem with a lot of the younger editors is that they are not used to internet sites where things can get nasty. All these newer sites like MySpace, FaceBook and Wikipedia Review have this friendly culture - even 4chan seems to be friendly enough within its membership, even if they are targeting other sites they are doing it from a support orientated network. Some older editors come from the more "Wild West" days of the hindernets - from places where the infighting was part of the "game", and flamewars was just another way of passing the time.

When some of the newer generation of websurfers come across the old stylee types there is quite some clash of culture; we r not ur M8's, and we use proper English, too. It is ironic, also, that on this site where there is legit complaint about the old fashioned internet ethos - take no prisoners - that ensures that noobies often get discouraged because they can't take the heat, that some of the more "txtfrenz" orientated newcomers are ridiculed for their utterances.

Who linked him to this discussion Malleus? The only other times I've seen that "highlight" function used is when Ottava made links to prove evil conspiracies.

Judging from his reaction, I get the impression this might be his first real long peep here (which would be a rude introduction indeed!)

That "highlight" function comes up automatically when you run a keyword search; my guess would be one of his IRC buddies (not mentioning any names, Julian) tipped him off that he was mentioned here and he ran a search on his name. Quite why my calling him "slack-jawed and drooling" doesn't warrant a mention, but Malleus calling him "saccharine" has him reaching for the Big Red Drama Button, I leave as an exercise for the student. (Agree that it's probably his first look here - "there's a bunch of people who don't love Jimbo!!!")

BTW Coldplay Expert, since I assume you're reading this you might want to take a good hard look at this before you start whining when people accuse you of being a waste of other people's time.

You guess very, very wrong my dear. If you're not mentioning names, consider actually not mentioning any, particularly when you get it wrong. Maybe you're just inventing this situation to trash IRC.

He said "the real Germany," and he has a point. Much of what gave Germans a sense of national pride (as Das Land der Dichter und Denker - the land of poets and thinkers) was suppressed or destroyed under the Nazis. Take, for example, the works of Heinrich Heine. And although it may seem like an overly technical point, Hitler was not German. He was Austrian.

There was a useful study of one facet of the issue in the film Taking Sides.

Interesting observation, but the one thing I would have to point out is that with MySpace and Facebook, you don't really have any sort of gamesmanship based on the goal of achieving admin status. (You might get a little of that on WR I suppose, but not much.) On Usenet, there was quite a bit of that, and these days you see it on Freenode IRC channels and such. Three guesses as to which of these tend to be associated more with Wikipedia...

In general though, not all kids are psychologically rooted in self-esteem-generation delusionalism, but it does seem that a lot of kids these days wish that life can be as simple as fish swimming round in a barrel, when they've got the gun.

Haha. Nice use of the lyrics to Prospekt's March. But seriously, why attack me? Im only one in 10,000,000 users. How did I screw up this bad to get attention here? Was it my stupid username or something?

"Attack" isn't the word I'd use, but admin-bashing is a time-honored tradition here, and it looks like you want to be an admin, so I'd assume some of us just wanted to get a little "head start."

Then again, if you've now decided that you really don't want to be an admin, then maybe these "attacks" are now unwarranted, at least in retrospect?

Also, Mr. Coldplay, I might also point out that your friend Thejadefalcon (T-C-L-K-R-D)
is quite a poor excuse for a Wikipedia editor.

All he does is edit Xbox game articles and argue with people on their talkpages.

That would be okay, except that Wikipedia suffers from a tremendous oversupply of
such guys. It's supposed to be an "encyclopedia" for general knowledge, not an
encyclopedia for Xbox 360 games only. Nor is it supposed to be a vandalism-reversion
game.

A good WP editor's pie chart would have a large red section (article edits), and a
smaller pink section (user talk page). Jade has just the opposite, okay? Not good.

Want to be an admin? Start by mentoring him. Get him to fix some of the many, many
bad articles, instead of just sucking up to Xeno and removing vandalism.

(Probably wasting my time. "But that's no fun!!")

I wasn't going to say this originally, but I'd probably be remiss if I didn't point out that your choice of username was genuinely terrible.

Moreover, in all fairness, it could be said that just as vandalism is a recruitment tool for Wikipedia, admin-bashing (and by extension, admin-wannabe-bashing) is a form of recruitment tool for us here at WR, helping us keep our registration numbers up - and that it does seem to have worked in your case.

Wow, he has more user talk edits than I did, and I was never much of a content editor. What the hell is he doing, using Wikipedia as a social networking site?

To be fair, we also didn't have to think about things like Columbine (rearing it's head often enough), or the various other instances of bad blood on the web leading to spilled blood off the web. Takes the fun out of flame warring.

Makes you wonder if there's any correlation between the number of friends you have on Facebook and the number of ops you have on Wikipedia.

Welcome to WR, Coldplay

I thought there was some age limit to membership here? Coldplay appears to be only 15.

I checked his user & talk pages, but didn't see anything resembling an age declaration...?

(Addendum) Okay, I found this where he admits to being a "minor," but in the USA that just means he's under 18, not under 16... His propensity for spelling mistakes tends to suggest younger rather than older, but without something more definitive, I guess I'm inclined to not worry about it.

Every time Malleus mentioned it, he never denied it. It could be seen as evidence.

He has claimed on wikipedia to be 15, not 16 until April 3. Can't be bothered to go looking for where though. Isn't there some question about age that is supposed to be answered honestly when members register here? Why was JulianColton suspended last year?

So today's Germany is still not "the real Germany"? After over 60 years they haven't restored it?

Not once did I ever say that. I said that Nazi Geramn and Germany are two diffrent governments. But there are those who seem to think otherwise. And I must admit, have an admin called "Coldplay Expert" on wikipedia is probably not a good idea for public relations. But I never did like my name anyway. I just never bothered to change it because I could'nt think of anything else.



Malleus, it was 13 years old, not 15.

Right - the rule is that you can register here if you're 13, 14, or 15, and as long as we don't find out how old you are, all is well. We don't go actively looking for that information beyond viewing user pages and such on WP, but if someone brings it to our attention (including links to off-site material) and the facts are essentially indisputable, then that means a suspension for however long it is until the person's 16th birthday.

We keep meaning to spell that out explicitly somewhere, but of course, spelling it out explicitly would probably just get us into even more trouble!

I don't really care if im suspended. To be honest, after reading this thread, I hate this place...

Quite right too!

This is no place for a fine upstanding young Wikipedian such as yourself.

Why not do some serious buttsnorkeling on Jimmy's talkpage instead. Go on you know you want to.

In case you missed the last page and a half, im not an upstanding wikipedian. Rather, the opposite. Thanks though...

My mistake, sorry.

What??? You were wrong??? And you apologized??? Who are you and what have you done to the real Malleus?

I always apologise when I've made a mistake. It just doesn't happen that often that I do.

But more seriously, don't you think it woud be a good idea to take your mentor's advice, and stop fighting a fight you can't possibly win?

Multiple criticism on Wikipedia Review almost certainly means you're a fine upstanding Wikipedian.

Perhaps sometimes, but not this time.

That depends on how you're defining "fine upstanding Wikipedian".

Im going to have to agree with Malleus here. I have so real and valid issues that I need to fix. And while they were presented to me in a rude way here, it has actually opened up my eyes. And yes Maleus, I will follow the advice of Julian.

Good. Then we can perhaps close this rather unpleasant chapter now.

I mean you no ill will Coldplay, but the purpose of wikipedia, at least to my understanding, is to build a free encylopedia, not to make friends.

Good Christ you really are a naive twat aren't you.