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carbuncle
Unseen by readers, there is a hidden message from Jimbo at the top of [[Brandy Alexandre]]:
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As a courtesy while we discuss the issues surrounding this article, please don't add Brandy Alexandre's real name to this article. And please treat SavvyCat with particular respect and understand that if she seems a bit touchy about this article, she has every right to be: it's about her. As a person with a biography about myself in Wikipedia which is frequently used as a place to attack me, I can say that Assume Good Faith is absolutely necessary in a case like this. --Jimbo


I can't imagine why Jimbo would out SavvyCat like that, but I thought this post would bring some much needed reckless speculation and titillation to the board. smile.gif
The Joy
QUOTE(carbuncle @ Sat 6th February 2010, 6:37pm) *

Unseen by readers, there is a hidden message from Jimbo at the top of [[Brandy Alexandre]]:
QUOTE
As a courtesy while we discuss the issues surrounding this article, please don't add Brandy Alexandre's real name to this article. And please treat SavvyCat with particular respect and understand that if she seems a bit touchy about this article, she has every right to be: it's about her. As a person with a biography about myself in Wikipedia which is frequently used as a place to attack me, I can say that Assume Good Faith is absolutely necessary in a case like this. --Jimbo


I can't imagine why Jimbo would out SavvyCat like that, but I thought this post would bring some much needed reckless speculation and titillation to the board. smile.gif


Too late anyway. dry.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=141369584
Milton Roe
QUOTE(The Joy @ Sat 6th February 2010, 5:25pm) *

QUOTE(carbuncle @ Sat 6th February 2010, 6:37pm) *

Unseen by readers, there is a hidden message from Jimbo at the top of [[Brandy Alexandre]]:
QUOTE
As a courtesy while we discuss the issues surrounding this article, please don't add Brandy Alexandre's real name to this article. And please treat SavvyCat with particular respect and understand that if she seems a bit touchy about this article, she has every right to be: it's about her. As a person with a biography about myself in Wikipedia which is frequently used as a place to attack me, I can say that Assume Good Faith is absolutely necessary in a case like this. --Jimbo


I can't imagine why Jimbo would out SavvyCat like that, but I thought this post would bring some much needed reckless speculation and titillation to the board. smile.gif


Too late anyway. dry.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=141369584

If you look at that BLP version above, containing the supposed RL name, you see it has 5 references, including one to a TV appearance in which she got slammed by Judge Wapner himself. And was a lot longer. All that's gone from the present BLP, which has two references.

I suppose that's the famous Jimbo service: not only do we clean your BLP at special request, but we even remove very public factual information from it (like your appearance on court TV!), so that it shrinks and shrinks. It's the Angela Beesley effect.

Of course, I don't give a fig about this-- I would hope for Ms. "Alexandre" that her BLP would disappear entirely. What burns me is that she's getting special treatment, courtesy of Jimbo. Stuff that ordinarily only he and his cronies get. I would speculate that he's been banging her, but she's 45. Even for the special services that might be promised by a former porn adult acting star, that may be a stretch for Jimbo. But, who knows. dry.gif Only Jimbo and Brandy.


Somey
QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Sat 6th February 2010, 8:07pm) *
Of course, I don't give a fig about this-- I would hope for Ms. "Alexandre" that her BLP would disappear entirely. What burns me is that she's getting special treatment, courtesy of Jimbo. Stuff that ordinarily only he and his cronies get. I would speculate that he's been banging her, but she's 45. Even for the special services that might be promised by a former porn adult acting star, that may be a stretch for Jimbo. But, who knows. dry.gif Only Jimbo and Brandy.

I, too, hope that Ms. Alexandre is allowed to opt out of being profiled by Wikipedia and its anonymous, non-accountable editors.

As for speculation about a relationship between Jimbo and Ms. Alexandre, remember that Jimbo was a porn-linkfarm operator in the late 90's. If Ms. Alexandre retired from the porn industry in 1992, it's highly unlikely that she would have been involved with Bomis.com in any way. Nevertheless, it might be pointed out that such a relationship wouldn't have to be current to induce Jimbo to make the minimal effort required to protect and/or "whitewash" her biography - it could have occurred at any time in the past 20 years, or even earlier.
EricBarbour
QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 6th February 2010, 6:21pm) *
As for speculation about a relationship between Jimbo and Ms. Alexandre, remember that Jimbo was a porn-linkfarm operator in the late 90's. If Ms. Alexandre retired from the porn industry in 1992, it's highly unlikely that she would have been involved with Bomis.com in any way. Nevertheless, it might be pointed out that such a relationship wouldn't have to be current to induce Jimbo to make the minimal effort required to protect and/or "whitewash" her biography - it could have occurred at any time in the past 20 years, or even earlier.

That's the probable connection. Bomis used to have "featured babes", not all of whom
were current adult stars/models/"actresses" at the time. I would not be a bit surprised
if Brandy Alexandre was one of the old "featured babes" in the 1996-2000 time period.
And had, um, "personal relations" with the stalwart Master Wales.
(But then, I'm just jerking off. Heh.)

Actually, the only ref in that BLP, an old interview on Luke Ford's website, is kind of amusing.
She's a tough, honest and smart broad. And that, by itself, is probably why the adult-film
industry doesn't want her anymore--she won't take their bullshit.

Apparently she won't take Jimbo's bullshit either. This was at the bottom of that interview, and dates from 2006:
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I held off on publishing this story for a couple of months because Brandy promised me a good exclusive.

Friday afternoon, April 28.

BrandyAlx1: I forgot I told you a while ago I'd fill you in on the Wikipedia flap.
BrandyAlx1: Well, something came up with Wiki on CNN.com today that totally pissed me off there's a better spin on the story.
BrandyAlx1: As you probably know, Wikipedia can be edited by anybody, which makes it wholly unreliable.
BrandyAlx1: The big thing that happened today was that a campaign manager for one person edited the bio of the opposing candidate. They showed the original text and then the edit, and they weren't very different. Besides, it was true.
BrandyAlx1: In my case, I went to look at my Wiki article when someone told it indicated I had died! Darn it, just before my 40th birthday, too.
BrandyAlx1: They also had something close to my real name, plus a bunch of other references to flamewar b.s. having no foundation in truth whatsoever. It was just whatever people found third, fourth, 60th, 70th party, it was there. Since none of it was accurateI took the information out.
BrandyAlx1: You know how some fans are... They are obsessed about their work and their knowledge (even if it's wrong) about their subjects, and this guy started a hissy fit about not taking out anything that is true, and that the subject of a bio cannot edit it.
BrandyAlx1: When it comes to Brandy Alexandre, the people who know what is true can be counted on one hand.
BrandyAlx1: Anyway, this wanker (or merry band of wankers), found my real name posted by someone else, but that information was illegally obtained and we went around so many times that I finally had to contact Jimmy Wales, the owner.
BrandyAlx1: He pretty much said he sympathized with me, but if it's true there's no reason to take it out. Then he told the wankers that until they could personally finad information from a reputable source, it stays out.
BrandyAlx1: You can read some of the go-round in the discussion section of my article. Anyway...
BrandyAlx1: What pissed me off today was that this politician has apparently gotten the FACTUAL information removed from the bio
BrandyAlx1: I had to fight for WEEKS about unsibstantiated information, but an "upstanding citizen" got fawned over, IMHO. Frankly, politicians are bigger less repetant whores than I could ever be.
BrandyAlx1: I wrote to Jimbo and said, "I can't tell you how extraordinarily disappointed I am that you so easily have bowed to pressures of high-profile politicians and allowed things to be reverted, removed, and changed regardless of the fact that they are true, but just so many months ago you were arguing to the death that if it's true, it stays in my case. Seems DUI and killing someone is clear and widespread knowledge from many confirmed sources when it comes to Mark Taylor's bio, which by all rights include his adult son, and was removed or reversed. But rumor and innuendo was highly defended and negative material still exists in my bio and I had to fight like hell to just get a glimmer of privacy over something that simply doesn't apply to my having been a porn star. Nice to know you'll bend over and say "harder" for the true whores."
BrandyAlx1: His only reply, "I am deeply disappointed in your attitude here. We have not bowed to any pressures of any politicians. The editing process continues as normal in this case as in all others."
BrandyAlx1: Yeah, the process continues, and that's good, I guess, but it's going on without the inclusion of previously known facts. I got lectured about policy and he doesn't want to start any precedents he'll later regret. Fighting with me was his precedent I hope he'll regret. I intend to bring this to the attention of the writer of the CNN article.
BrandyAlx1: See? More interesting when you wait.

Wikipedia's Jimmy Wales responds:

Hmm, I really worked hard to find a compromise version that would suit Brandy, and I thought we had forged something of a friendship in the process. I did not fight with Brandy, I fought for Brandy. I am saddened that she interprets it otherwise now.

The article she is currently complaining about does contain, and has consistently contained, the information she accuses us of censoring to favor a politician. I am just not sure what else can be said about that. The article is open for editing, and if she wishes to rephrase it somehow, she is welcome to do so.

The ability of politicians to pressure Wikipedia is about as close to zero as one can imagine.

Joe writes me:

Will Brandy A's boook ever see the light of day? She's a really interesting chick and it would be a fun read.

I should get one of her videos. The only one I have with her is Blowing In Style. Funny that she gives a blowjob to the artist who would become Max Hardcore. Wonder if he even knew what a speculum was when that was shot.

She seems to have lost interest in writing her memoir.
The Adversary
This is a rather old story, isn't it? Dating back to 2006, at least. See this.
carbuncle
QUOTE(The Adversary @ Sun 7th February 2010, 8:26am) *

This is a rather old story, isn't it? Dating back to 2006, at least. See this.

It is a rather old story, but it may be a good time to resurrect it. There's a thread at ANI about use of birth names in BLPs of porn performers. Perhaps those porn performers who don't have a relationship with Jimbo deserve the same consideration as Brandy Alexandre if they ask for it.

Much like people of marginal notability should be able to opt out of having a bio on WP, people who are famous in one context may not wish to be famous when the are simply trying to be themselves. WP doesn't state the real-life name of [[Star Wars kid]] (I had to check to be sure). Despite the desire for publicity while they are active, I suspect that most porn performers who leave the business just want to go about their lives unrecognized.
Milton Roe
QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sat 6th February 2010, 10:34pm) *

Actually, the only ref in that BLP, an old interview on Luke Ford's website, is kind of amusing.
She's a tough, honest and smart broad. And that, by itself, is probably why the adult-film
industry doesn't want her anymore--she won't take their bullshit.

Apparently she won't take Jimbo's bullshit either. This was at the bottom of that interview, and dates from 2006:
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BrandyAlx1: What pissed me off today was that this politician has apparently gotten the FACTUAL information removed from the bio



Apparently Jimbo's long term solution to this problem was to allow Brandy to remove FACTUAL information (such as her TV appearance) from HER bio. yecch.gif But of couse the non-complainers continue to be screwed by this process.

A pox on them all. If there are two possible ways to do something, WP will consistantly choose the inconsistent, unfair, and downright nasty one.

thekohser
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BrandyAlx1: His only reply, "I am deeply disappointed in your attitude here. We have not bowed to any pressures of any politicians. The editing process continues as normal in this case as in all others."


I guarantee that at some point shortly prior to Jimbo's writing that line, he had come to the conclusion that he wouldn't be getting any va-jay-jay from Brandy.
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