Here he goes again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...cratship/Xeno_2

I really hope Little Fuzzy Head makes it this time!

Cirt is, himself, an editor who's shown questionable judgment and received various sanctions, and then returned under his now-current username as a reformed character. Issues a year in the past are exactly that: in the past. If they were recent issues I'd agree with Cirt, but as it is, I don't.—S Marshall T/C 21:21, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

@User:S Marshall, I had never received "various sanctions"; I had been blocked 3 years ago for edit-warring. The issue with Xeno is a possible responsibility of promoting others to administrator; past history of questionable promotions of users to WP:ROLLBACK is indeed relevant and merits examination. -- Cirt (talk) 21:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

S Marshall, whilst I appreciate you might view this as bad blood from me, given your recent RFA, I assure you it is not. Please do not poison the well with comments like Cirt is, himself, an editor who's shown questionable judgment . Pedro : Chat 21:32, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Pedro, much appreciated. -- Cirt (talk) 21:34, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Please do not poison the well with comments like Cirt is, himself, an editor who's shown questionable judgment . Pedro : Chat 21:32, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Here he goes again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...cratship/Xeno_2

I really hope Little Fuzzy Head makes it this time!

It's a nothing job anyway, so why not?

I pledge to vote for any RfB candidate who can convincingly explain why the project would benefit from the addition of another bureaucrat.

Yet for some reason it is also the most difficult to obtain, even though the level of abuse (both potential and actual) is lower than that of any other "advanced user-right".

@User:S Marshall, I had never received "various sanctions"; I had been blocked 3 years ago for edit-warring. The issue with Xeno is a possible responsibility of promoting others to administrator; past history of questionable promotions of users to WP:ROLLBACK is indeed relevant and merits examination. -- Cirt (talk) 21:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I pledge to vote for any RfB candidate who can convincingly explain why the project would benefit from the addition of another bureaucrat.

I don't anticipate that I'll ever have to honor that pledge.

But what if you can say "This admin is a really outstanding character, and if there were more admins like him, WP would be a better place"? Wouldn't giving such an admin more power and prestige serve to improve things, however slightly?

Wasn't Cirt (formerly Smee) "blocked" seven times before his Durova-approved reincarnation?

Yep, at least seven times as Smee and even more as Smeegova

This is clearly utter rubbish, as can be seen here and here...

This is clearly utter rubbish, as can be seen here and here...

Anyone with high levels of personal integrity and ethics will soon become conflicted as they become increasingly aware of the rampant and systemic corruption within the Wikisphere. This creates an intractable dilemma. Either they turn a blind eye to it, or they confront it. If they confront it, they will quickly be drummed out of the site, leaving them chagrined at best and bitter at worst.

well, if you spell it right three and four do make seven, so apparently horse was right [something about stopped clocks and traffic advisories].

Here he goes again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...cratship/Xeno_2

I really hope Little Fuzzy Head makes it this time!

For those who can't bear to look at the RfB page, the score is now 94/7/1. Thus only seven opposers so far. As the seven include Spartaz and Cirt, I think we can take it that overwhelmingly the voice of sanity is pointing in one direction.

[102/7/1 at 21:46 GMT]

I just checked at 3:20pm EDT and the tally is 116/9/1 -- perennial sourpuss Wisdom89 joined the Oppose camp, and a bunch of people I never of (RexxS, AlphaQuadrant, wiooww, Trutheeper88, DollyD) showed up to lend their support.

It appears this is a shoo-in for our man. Which raises the obvious question: what's next for Xeno? Maybe a spot on Arbcom -- though he might be an odd-man-out there, considering he's not a plagiarist, a liar or grotesquely overweight. Or maybe a spot on the WMF Board? Either way, he seems to have a great future ahead of him!

I thought 'crat was just a few minor tasks like closing RfAs for which a certain level of trust was required? Is it really a springboard to glory?

I thought 'crat was just a few minor tasks like closing RfAs...

Yes it is. The point is "a certain level of trust". We all know all too many admins who were well regarded until they became admins and showed their true colours or power went to their head. By definition, a bureaucrat is someone who has been an admin for a while and still enjoys the overwhelming endorsement of the community (or at least those who bother to vote). That gives bureaucrats an aura of status far beyond their actual powers.

I seem to remember that a 12-year-old became a bureaucrat a few years ago.

By definition, a bureaucrat is someone who has been an admin for a while and still enjoys the overwhelming endorsement of the community (or at least those who bother to vote). That gives bureaucrats an aura of status far beyond their actual powers.

And on the whole, I think most people would agree that the bureaucrats are rarely if ever the admins that cause the most problems.

I don't know if most people were aware at the time of said editor's age. If they were, he probably wouldn't have become an admin in the first place. (I firmly believe that all admins should have to identify to WMF and prove they're over 18, just like checkusers, but I haven't been able to drum up much support for that.) But I never said anything about whether the community endorsement was justified, just that it exists.

For those who can't bear to look at the RfB page, the score is now 94/7/1. Thus only seven opposers so far. As the seven include Spartaz and Cirt, I think we can take it that overwhelmingly the voice of sanity is pointing in one direction.

I just checked at 3:20pm EDT and the tally is 116/9/1 -- perennial sourpuss Wisdom89 joined the Oppose camp, and a bunch of people I never of (RexxS, AlphaQuadrant, wiooww, Trutheeper88, DollyD) showed up to lend their support.

It would be interesting to see a histogram of Wikipedia admins' RL ages.

Well, we have bad manners, don't we? No one here congratulated our man on his new tools.

If there is a Xeno in the house -- congrats!

Thanks =)

Did you grace it with your presence? =]

Now, now...I'm not the type to kiss and tell.