For openers, do you have anything juicy on the topic of Slim's socking, either Sweet Blue Water or Sunsplash? Or on banal "Whole Foods Market"-style genre of monikers she invents?

The moment I saw that you had made this thread, I knew what the question was going to pertain to.

I am morbidly curious about the lengthy deliberations surrounding the Israel-Palestine decision, specifically the removal of checkuser, etc from Jayjg (T-C-L-K-R-D) .

I am curious about any emails relating to the identity of Iridescent.

No mention of Sweet Blue Water or Sunsplash or anything about SlimVirgin socking that isn't about defending her from accusations (in 2007) or her kvetching about being falsely accused.

From kirill.lokshin at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 15:35:52 2007
From: kirill.lokshin at gmail.com (Kirill Lokshin)
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:35:52 -0400
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Query regarding sockpuppeting admin
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On 4/3/07, charles.r.matthews at ntlworld.com
<charles.r.matthews at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Steve Dunlop wrote
>
> > I have left notes explaining the situation and the arbcom's position on
> > it on Henrygb's talk page and on AN/I.
>
> You left out the bit we discussed most, which was that there was absolutely no urgency to do anything here.
>
> I deprecate this strongly. The statement contains assertions of _fact_ on sockpuppetry. This is a most unfortunate form of phrasing. Maybe it was the girlfriend's account. But in any case this seems to go way beyond what we had agreed to do.
>
> So, you have probably run a good editor off the site, now. When I suggested that we might be asking Henrygb to hand in the mop, I meant that. This is (otherwise) someone we should be happy to have editing.
>
> I think it is extremely important that we handle these matters in a collegiate way.

I think it's also important to avoid having our hands tied because
someone won't cooperate. Henrygb has been given ample opportunity to
provide some explanation or comment on the sockpuppetry charge;
instead, he's decided to accuse us of being part of some shadowy
SlimVirgin Atrribution conspiracy (all while studiously avoiding
saying anything -- anything at all -- as to the charge itself). The
fact that he won't discuss the issue with us should be a point against
him, not a free ticket out of being sanctioned for what appears --
barring any explanation from him -- as quite inexcusable behavior.

In any case, I'll point out that it was Henrygb who insisted on having
everything done in public. Given his demands that we conduct all
discussion on his talk page, posting the charges on AN/I is quite fair
game, I think.

Kirill






Looked for all ready, the bloke doesn't even trust the other inmates with his identity.

How about emails from John Vandenberg re FT2 probably between 7 and 14 January 2009. The IDs below may refer (although possibly not).

The same material is referenced by Vandenberg more than a year later on the precise date of 27 November 2010, where he provides some 'evidence' to the committee.

deea21830901070135r601f4439wa7dbed2553bfee93
deea21830812201847y46742623t6534619a5443d8e4

More generally, I was told that there was a plot during December 2010-January 2011 by certain Arbcom members to oust FT2. I wasn't told any more because they were worried about material being leaked to Wikipedia by someone on the committee.

Any evidence during the December 2010 period of concerns about leaks would be interesting.

Anything on the block of "User:Peter Karlsen" in early December 2010?

I'd be interested in stuff about me. I was on the very edge of the M4th/GJP et al stuff and went and knocked on the arb-wiki's door when that was going on (which must have left log-footprints). They have a fix in for me and I'd like to see the *real* reasons.

* nyupat means to volunteer for execution, and they have an article on puputan:
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puputan

:: damn; I thought this was going to go in the ask the leaker thread; mebbe someone wil move it --Jack

I'd be interested to know the gory details of Ottava's wrangles with the Big Bad Arbs. Also anything about Sandy Georgia.

What do I want? There's nothing in this stuff that I would call "compelling" or even "unexpected".

I'd like to see the entire gang of prevaricating, butt-sniffing, backpedalling fools on Arbcom
resign en masse. Especially Coren, Risker, Wjbscribe, Davies, ShellKinney, and Xeno, and with
special contempt for NYB. If you want "disputes" to be "resolved", the last person you want is
a corporate attorney whose career depends on his ability to obfuscate and delay.

They have done a fine job of turning a "dispute-resolution group" into a Wikilawyering tag-team.
Curse them, over and over.

That's all I want. Not much to ask.

I observe that this topic has ended up under the wrong title.

No problemo, propose a better title and it shall be fixed.

Meanwhile, anything about Jayjg, Georgewilliamherbert, and the manipulation and/or misrepresentation of CU data?

Brief result of a merge in and now I've pinned it.

The whole negotiating with Gerard and Goodwin and John Vandenberg falling on his sword should be interesting....

Hey, what's a Wikipedia scandal without Shankbone? Any fun stuff on him?

Any mention of me? I want to be famous too!

Anything on Law / The_undertow. When did Casliber and/or other arbs agree to let him edit through a "ban" and not tell anybody on-wiki?

[copied from another thread, since this one has been created]

Milton's request:

How far back does this stuff go? I'm curious as to what Arbom had to say to itself May 28-29, 2008 when Gary Weiss/Mantanmoreland was finally caught socking as user:Bassettcat, thereby proving most of what newbie WordBomb/Bagley had been saying about him. A moment of shame? A moment of self-inspection? Nothing?

I second this.

Someone else will have to provide the dates, but any threads on the damage control after they kicked the "retired" arbs off the mailinglist would probably be enlightening.

I posted this in another thread, but that post got lost.

Anything about Poetlister/Quillercouch during:

September 5-15, 2008?

October 24, 2010?

Malice,

Thank you muchly for the dish on Ottava the Odious. Greatly appreciated.

A new question for Malice: is this bounty the result of your hard work, or did someone else pass these goodies to you with the request that you share it on Wikipedia Review?

Oh, and another request: anything to share on the blow-up that resulted in Tanthalas39 leaving Wikipedia? The site is not the same without him.

I second that. This is crucial to understanding the other two threads I have been banging on about. Possibly before that, as FT2 issued a report in August 2008.

The people involved (not all of them Arbcom) were Sam Korn (=Smoddy), James Forrester, Jpgordon, Kirill Lokshin (overview), Sam Blacketer at enwiki arbcom or ex-arbs. Checkusers/crats Thatcher, Jayvdb, Rlevse and WJBscribe.

Checkuser Aphaia. Stewards Spacebirdy to the extent needed to justify a cross wiki checkuser, Lar to the extent needed to endorse that we must handled it privately if it comes up on-wiki, Dungodung to the point of agreement to review, and Cary, Jimmy Wales and Jay Walsh at Office.

Oh yes and Coren http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...4&oldid=1173766 naturally.

Goodness and our friend Lar as well http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...t&oldid=1181370 who mentions the famous email (presumably that one, anyway).



Like approaching the HR department of the sockpuppet's firm? Does this just allow the individual to go away? (Cary Bass, unlike Jimbo, did acknowledge seeing the 13 Sep email).

→ thanks for the move… Jack

Wasn't the Tanthalus39 thing rather straightforward? He got blocked, unblocked himself, then blocked his blocker. There's no way out from that.

I didn't know if there were any juicy/funny/hostile e-mails from Tan in the Arbcom files.

April/May 2008 was the original CAMERA lobbying group campaign. Only a handful of the participants were banned, the rest of the few dozen editors granted amnesty. In 2011 it came to light that some of the original group members were still actively canvassing and pushing pro-Israeli/anti-Arab puff pieces. Any information on the original scandal is most welcome, in particular the names of the editors who escaped banning. Gilead Ini and Dajudem are good search terms.

I doubt it, but if there is anything in there about the following individuals, I'd be interested in seeing:

• Danny Wool
• Carolyn Doran
• Brad Patrick
• Rand Montoya

How about some more Ottava fun? Any ArbCom-l information regarding the Big O circa June 22, 2010?

Anything useful in functionaries-en to avoid CU? Always wondered if CU reveals account creation IP. Some of my socks with 0 edits were catched.

It does. Just make an account when on vacation or a friend's computer or just a different browser and operating system, and wait three months before using it at home.

Also, I'd like to see some leaks regarding how they handle pedophiles. One that comes to mind is Thesevenseas - how exactly does ArbCom figure these things out, and how fast does it take for the block?

Edit: Oops, I just saw this was leaked earlier. Anything else on dealing with pedos?

Also, anything about Cirt or Mattisse?

Haiduc.


Edit - strike that. I think I will vomit if I read anything about it. I pretty much wanted to vomit over Thesevenseas and I can only assume the worst.

I'm gone again.

Well-known for ages. The answer is "yes", though the word you are looking for is "caught". Also, CU Wiki retains records on actual or suspected sockpuppets indefinitely, so if you're a sock, never re-use an IP. If someone else re-uses the IP and tickles a checkuser's interest, they are likely to be banned, regardless of guilt. I've now collected a list of at least 20 "sockpuppets" that I had nothing to do with. Wikipedia doesn't care, they want to be seen as fighting the enemies of the Wiki.

If these "aspects" are along the lines of BlackmailedArb's, say no more. If, on the other hand, there is a pattern of the Committee whitewashing the incompetence or misconduct of fellow arbs, that is by far the information I'm most interested in seeing leaked.

...offer them jobs at WMF?

Not sure if these were already leaked, but can someone either point me to the relevant leak thread or give me a tl;dr summary on this?

I would be interested in seeing anything involving David Shankbone...

As long as it's not visual.

Is there anything on the blocking of User:Bstone aka "0kmck4gmja " in early January 2010?

More specifically to my last request, is there anything about the account named "Sophie" or "SophJ"? I'm interested in how much ArbCom knew other than he was a pedo.

To echo some earlier requests, I would be interested in seeing any discussion related to the oft-discussed Haiduc. And Shankbone, just for laughs.

On an unrelated topic, an Arb emailed me on 6 July 2010 to warn me off taking action against an IP who was editing on Wikipedia talk:Child protection (found now in this archive). Although I was fairly sure at that time that it was Benjiboi (who at that point wasn't yet banned, although some of his socks had been blocked without linking them to his account) and said as much, I was told that a checkuser had been run by one of the Arbs and this was not the case. There is now no doubt that it was Benjiboi, so I am very curious about the discussion which took place at that time given that I was told "...the Committtee is well aware of the situation, even before you posted, and one of the members of the Committee did a comprehensive range check on the user...". The IP in question was 71.139.2.170 and any discussion would have occurred in the first week of July 2010.

Go ask Malice, when she's ten feet tall.

I'd be interested in any mails relating to my cases before ArbComm and subsequent enforcement and clarification/amendment actions.

There is one particular matter which I do understand was discussed, Fritzpoll offered (more than once, actually) to mentor me, the first time was before his election as an arbitrator, the second time was after that election. Did any correspondence about this show up on the list?

(Fritzpoll had strong intentions of reform, but gave up rather rapidly with no public fuss. What happened?)

My sock, EnergyNeutral, was recently blocked by Coren as a checkuser block. How did Coren come to check this account, which wasn't being disruptive (though the Cold fusion topic ban was being violated), EnergyNeutral was making useful edits, accepted by consensus, and, though one editor obviously had a suspicion that EN wasn't a "new editor," no SSP report was filed.

Any mention of this?

I'd also be interested to know if the voluminous archives have anything on the egregious Off2riorob. What a knob.

MaliceAforethought,

A lot of your posts are getting cut off due to the word limit on posts. Instead of one long post, could you make many smaller posts?

thx

Dear Malice,

Could you please stop, as I'm bored now.

Arbcom exposes are so yesterday.

Use pastebin, it's what all the cool kids are doing.

Irony or not, I disagree. Arbcom is like so many human institutions. It feels no pain, it does not age, it cannot be killed by any reasonable means. The members are replaced but the thing continues.

All that is left for such a thing is embarassment. Which it does "feel" in a palid sort of way. Just like City Hall.

So continue with the only weapon that has any effect. Just for the Hell of It, since the thing is evil. You might not be able to kill it, but doing anything else would be to assent to It's actions.