Subject: [arbcom-l] Fwd: Wikipedia e-mail: Follow up (A Nobody/Jack Merridew)
------------------------
From: Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) <newyorkbrad@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 04:54
To: Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
I've received a series of e-mails from User:A Nobody concerning Jack Merridew, alleging wikistalking/hounding/harassment despite JM's probationary (or whatever it is) status. I've urged A Nobody to practice avoidance but he says the problem is continuing. As I'll have minimal activity for another week or so could someone please look into this and address as appropriate, as a priority item. I think FloNight had previously looked at some related issues so the volunteering arb might want to get her views.
Newyorkbrad
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: A Nobody <wikipedianobody@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:34 AM
Subject: Wikipedia e-mail: Follow up
To: Newyorkbrad <newyorkbrad@gmail.com>
Dear Brad,
He is not really letting up and even getting involved in the non-fictional stuff too.
1a. I template an article for rescue: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334814344
1b. Jack then says to delete it: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334817042
2a. An editor asks a question citing a diff of one of my edits: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334689549
2b. Jack replies: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334827008
You would think after even when arbcom lifted the mentorship NewYorkBrad saying he should not give the appearance of following anyone around he wouldn't keep showing up in discussions like the above, but he does and the more he can get away with it, the more emboldened he becomes. And seriously now, "crap magnet" is a helpful contribution in a discussion?
It is now going beyond fiction articles so that he can't make the excuse of it just being similar areas of interest.
1a. I mention suspicions of sockpuppetry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334438085 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334456320
1b. He shows up in the SPI: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334584667
2a. I argue three times to keep an article in two discussions: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=315739784 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=322815432
2b. His SOLE AfD "contribution" for the day is to say to delete it in the fourth discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334591035
Aside from watching my edits, its unlikely he would have happened upon these by accident. And the same for the instances of reverting me on the Medal of Honor articles and so on.
As for the fiction ones…
1a. Here‘s when I strongly argued to keep: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=303333404
1b. And yes, he has renominated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...2nd_nomination)
Yes, a concept that gets hits in 44 BOOKS: http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&q=FTL+Battlestar
1a. At 20:13 I template an article for rescue: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334593089
1b. At 20:21 Jack says to delete it: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334593372
How much more obvious does he have to be? How much more obvious does he have to be? And yes, this one is also verifiable through published books: http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&source...F-8&sa=N&tab=wp
It is really getting out of hand now. I don't know if feels emboldened because arbcom did not ban him from me as several editors suggested on the talk page or what, but he is now going around reverting my edits, insulting me, and once again showing up in merge and AfDs after me in an antagonistic fashion:
Please, please this has to stop already.
1. Reverts me: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=333831407
2. Reverts me: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=333831423
3. Comments after me in a discussion with an opposing argument and mockingly uses my "Sincerely,": http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=333831627
4. Show up in an AfD for this article that I have been working on for quite some time with a [[WP:ITSCRUFT]] "argument" while using an ad hominen declaration of me as "disruptive": http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=333832209
5a. I reported this on ANI (Ikip archived it) and Jack kept retitling it despite being reverted and warned by multiple editors: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=333844994
5b. A second warning and revert: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=333852277
6. Again edits after me: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334001724
7. Again reverts me: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334001987
8. Hounds Casliber in the AfD with another [[WP:ITSCRUFT]] style of non-argument: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334018162
9. Again reverts me: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334019452
10. Replies directly to me: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334023121
11. More antagonistic wording with "fanish wankage," "shite," etc.: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334044866
12a. As you can see at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=333597638 and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=333598427 I have made a bunch of expansions to these Mercenary character articles as well. He has now started editing these pages and commenting in their AfDs too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=333833992
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334063313
12b. "Usual suspects"?! http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334061843
13. Another WP:ITSCRUFT followed by calling people liars: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334063119
14. And on top of all of that, he is now bent on having all images from Medal of Honor and Mercenaries deleted, including some edit warring with Richard Arthur Norton: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=...&year=&month=-1
15. And needlessly antagonistic edit summaries: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=334053625
The past week, the bulk of his edits have consisted of attacking specific articles I have been working on with bad faith accusations, baiting, etc. How on Earth is this still going on?
He has already received a final warning from Fram: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=314696288 ("How about you don't ever comment on A Nobody again or get indefinitely blocked again? With your past, you have absolutely zero authority to suggest that someone else is "extremely disruptive" and "primarily responsible for creating the polarized I/D schism". You have been warned before to stay away from A Nobody. Consider this a last warning.")
And more recently NewYorkBrad said at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=331466151 "I would also emphasize that Jack Merridew should make a concerted effort to avoid unnecessary interaction with other editors with whom he has been in repeated conflict, not only White Cat, and should avoid any actions that could give a reasonable appearance of wikihounding such editors, whether or not that is his intent."
Again, Franamax proposed he avoid me at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...e#Move_to_close and so did Hobit at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...eep_it_simple...
I don't believe I have ever before on Wikipedia seen so many people warn someone to avoid someone else and for that editor to keep after him anyway and to do so in such an aggressive manner.
No matter what I say or do, no matter how many warnings he gets, he will not stop and it is not right for someone to have such a fixation.
Please help!
Sincerely,
A Nobody
--
This e-mail was sent by user "A Nobody" on the English Wikipedia to user "Newyorkbrad". It has been automatically delivered and the Wikimedia Foundation cannot be held responsible for its contents.
The sender has not been given the recipient's email address, or any information about his/her e-mail account; and the recipient has no obligation to reply to this e-mail or take any other action that might disclose his/her identity. For further information on privacy, security, and replying, as well as abuse and removal from emailing, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Email>.
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) <newyorkbrad@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 15:39
To: Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Has anyone yet had time to look into this situation. I forwarded prior e-mails in this sequence earlier this week.
Thanks,
Newyorkbrad
Dear Brad
He is now going after images I uploaded:
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=337219276
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=337868445
3. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=337868455
Sincerely,
A Nobody
“What one man can do, another can do.â€
-Charles Morse in The Edge by David Marnet
--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Private Private <wikipedianobody@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Private Private <wikipedianobody@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Wikipedia e-mail: Follow up
To: "Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)" <newyorkbrad@gmail.com>
Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 5:28 PM
Dear Brad,
1a. I report suspected sock puppetry at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Soc...19:50_.28UTC.29
1b. He refers to one of the reported IP’s edits in which the IP calls another editor a swear word as a “good faith editâ€: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=336672425
1c. He next messages the sockmaster:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=336739638
1d. Notice in the above that he uses the same over the top sock puppet signature that was discussed and condemned with threat of a block at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=329131574
Sincerely,
A Nobody
“What one man can do, another can do.â€
-Charles Morse in The Edge by David Marnet
--- On Wed, 12/30/09, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) <newyorkbrad@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) <newyorkbrad@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wikipedia e-mail: Follow up
To: "A Nobody" <wikipedianobody@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 11:22 AM
Thanks for your e-mails. Unfortunately, I am on vacation this week
with limited online time and access, and won't have the ability to
research diffs etc. until after I get home. If you like, I can forward
your messages to the Arbcom mailing list and ask that someone else
take a look (as you know, we have nine new members). Otherwise, I will
get back to you after I get home and catch up on things.
Best regards,
Newyorkbrad
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Roger Davies <roger.davies.wiki@googlemail.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 16:05
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
So far, I've been in touch with Sydney/FloNight about it and looked at some of the diffs.
It seems very similar to the White Cat conduct that got him banned before but Sydney cautions that JM tends to go in for tit-for-tat behaviour if he believes he's being targetted so it needs further investigation as it may be Kettle and Pot.
Roger
Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) wrote:
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Peter Casey <vassyana@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 16:27
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
This largely seems to be people with two strongly opposed wikiphilosophies that have similar areas of interest. They both could use a warning about edit warring and the civility bar, along with an exhortation to act like adults and talk it out or get someone else to settle the matter ([[WP:DR]]). Otherwise, this is largely just a complaint that someone strongly disagrees with him as far as I'm concerned. Part of the reason for that is that this is contained to the actual points of disagreement. As far as I can tell, this is not becoming wikihounding where someone is followed around to different areas and conversations unrelated to the points of disagreement.
If they both keep it up, prohibit them from interacting with each other on a blanket basis.
Pete
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Roger Davies <roger.davies.wiki@googlemail.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 16:33
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Slightly disagree, in that some of JM's counter-edits are very pointy indeed, but the underlying principle works for me.
Roger
Peter Casey wrote:
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Carcharoth <carcharothwp@googlemail.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 21:06
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
JM's counter-edits may be pointy, but A Nobody (and others) are so
fixated on this that they need to be reigned in as well. Agree with
Pete about what to do here.
I should say, that as this is fiction-related areas, I should really
be recused (not that I've edited in the ficton areas for years anyway,
but I do want to be able to go back to those areas without really
having been involved - as you can see, people editing on
fiction-related topics can, um, become fixated on each other if they
have opposing philosophies).
I'm still slightly surprised that the fiction-related areas haven't
thrown up another case yet.
Carcharoth
----------
From: Roger Davies <roger.davies.wiki@googlemail.com>
Date: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 05:14
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Can't argue with that. Perhaps the best way forward now is:
1. draw up a list of misbehaving editors
2. draft a "cease and desist" message to them
3. prepare a backup motion if needs be?
Will anyone volunteer for this? If you wish to stay in the background, Chris, you could do the leg work and some one else could do the front-of-house stuff.
Roger
PS: Peeve of the month. It's not "reign in" but "rein in" (an equestrian metaphor, horses, reins etc). It's not just you, Chris, everyone's at it around here
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Carcharoth <carcharothwp@googlemail.com>
Date: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 13:14
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
I haven't been following things closely enough to know who the current
miscreants are, unfortunately. And really, sending a "cease and
desist" notes to inclusionists and deletionists and fanboys and
de-fancrufters? Like that will work. The real difficulty is telling
the difference between people making it personal and people just
sticking to their principles. I always try and take the arguments back
to the sources, but people then disagree on that, so things go round
and round again. I'm really not the best person to get involved with
this at all.
Carcharoth
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Roger Davies
----------
From: David Yellope <dyellope.wiki@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 17:18
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
I would be willing to at least consider supporting a "Not to interact" prohibition flowing both ways amongst both sides here.
David/Foz
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Peter Casey <vassyana@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 00:20
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
If people are not aware of any of the following, they should take note of them:
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bur...iew_of_decision
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...n_review_motion
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm...rridew-A_Nobody
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm...sult:_no_vio.29
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...omment/A_Nobody
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions/Jack_Merridew_one_year_unban_review/mentors_page
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm...g_Jack_Merridew (and the section following it)
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm...ptive_signature
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm...r:Jack_Merridew
People should also note that A Nobody was Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles and Jack Merridew was Davenbelle for further context.
Pete
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Fritz Poll <fritzpollwiki@googlemail.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 04:33
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
I don't think an interaction ban is going to be sufficient here. A Nobody is taking cues from Ikip, who is wikilawyer extraordinaire. JM is also not averse to this. All we'll do is move the argument from the subjective of stalking, pointyness etc. to a more specific, but always inadequately defined notion of what constitutes "interaction", particularly if they want to work in the same areas. Imagine A Nobody makes an edit to every single fiction-related article: would JM now be banned from touching those articles? I think this scenario is a little far-fetched, but would not be utterly surprised by it.
Topic bans might be the better way forward. Warn both sides that if the poor conduct persists (as it is on both sides) then we shall blanket ban both of them from fiction for some to-be-determined period. That'll wake them up a bit.
Fred
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Roger Davies <roger.davies.wiki@googlemail.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 08:55
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Fritz Poll wrote:
<snip>
Seems sensible. Unless anyone objects, I'll write to Merridew and A Nobody accordingly.
Roger
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Carcharoth <carcharothwp@googlemail.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 09:38
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Roger Davies
Agreed. Worth including anyone else as well?
Carcharoth
----------
From: Peter Casey <vassyana@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:25
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
You are probably correct that a topic ban would be an more effective tool in this instance. This can be an increasing scale.
1. Topic ban from all fiction-related topics, broadly construed.
2. /Additional/ topic ban from all XfD and merge discussions, as well as discussing or editing articles up for such discussion, broadly construed.
3. /Additional/ topic ban from all notability and deletion discussions and related actions.
I believe both editors would chafe at any restriction. However, please note that this is not entirely even-sided. Even the least restrictive of this scale is likely to be far more impinging for A Nobody than Jack Merridew. This is not an unfortunate or unwanted side effect of such sanctions. On the contrary, it is a perfectly desirable and expected result that topic bans more harshly impinge on more narrowly focused and less responsive editors.
Explaining: JM has shown an interest and ability to edit other areas of the wiki and involve himself in other matters. JM has also shown an ability to refrain from topics, if only under duress/sanction, and an interest in working productively on other topics and at other WMF projects. A Nobody has a decided more focused scope of contribution and has generally responded poorly to attempts to restrict his editing. He is not at all helped by the enabling of Ikip specifically and a number of Article Rescue Squadron* members secondarily. (* This is not to malign all participants, but there are a core group of editors there that scream bloody murder against deletionists and immediatists and defend each other on that basis. It's like a mirror image of the deletionist ra-ra crowd that surrounded TTN during the older conflicts.) On that note, if we go forward, we need to keep an eye out for proxying and disruptive enabling.
As a note, A Nobody has never given much credence to his user conduct RfC. It may be helpful in any communication to him to specifically point to it, with a warning that rejecting such community feedback and refusing to adjust his behavior may lead to /more/ than a topic ban.
Pete
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Peter Casey <vassyana@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:28
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Not at the moment. However, we should keep an eye out on Ikip and some of the other ARS members. If they encourage A Nobody to reject his restrictions, claim it is a cockup from some vast deletionist conspiracy, or otherwise enable A Nobody's disruptive conduct or worsen the situation, we should step in with a warning then.
Pete
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Carcharoth <carcharothwp@googlemail.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:36
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
You do know that I am a member of the Article Rescue Squadron? :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...quadron/Members
Admittedly, so is A Nobody and Jack Merridew.
And I signed up to the ARS (in the wake of the Mzoli's Meat article
kurfuffle, I think) and then promptly forgot about and ignored it.
I very, very rarely participate at AfD, but I did recently:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...tre_de_Tassigny
Maybe you see why I try and stay away from there...
At least it wasn't related to fiction!
Carcharoth
----------
From: Peter Casey <vassyana@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:58
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Actually, I forgot. :-P In my other mail I mentioned "This is not to malign all participants, but there are a core group of editors there..." I think that much is fairly self-apparent.
This did spur a further train of thought:
I think people the people turning the matter into a battlefield are the most disruptive. Despite some vigorous disagreements, it doesn't need to get ugly. I've had some rather interesting discussions with people of opposing wikiphilosophy and walked away with mutual respect and appreciation for the substance of the discussion. We can't fix it all as ArbCom, nor should we, but we can set the tone and make examples if necessary. The inclusionism/deletionism divide is nowhere near as severe and the conflict nowhere near as ugly and wide-spanning as they were a few years ago. However, combined with recent BLP stirrings, this could easily spiral out of control with a return to the likes of such days as those of TTN and Badlydrawnjeff.
Pete
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Fritz Poll <fritzpollwiki@googlemail.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:03
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
So, can we go ahead and contact those two with something that essentially amounts to a threat of a topic ban? Or are we just going to skip the step of a threat and go for it straight off?
I favour the former
Fred
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Fritz Poll <fritzpollwiki@googlemail.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:03
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Fred
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Carcharoth <carcharothwp@googlemail.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:09
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
I probably shouldn't say this, but *some* people have been far less
inclined to argue with me since I became an arbitrator. I don't like
that sort of effect myself, actually, but it is noticeable, and at
times I just let it slide, rather than telling people they absolutely
*should* disagree with me if I'm getting something wrong. I just tell
myself that my clear and solid reasoning is the reason why some people
agree with what I say... and that this is all counter-balanced by
those who *like* to pick fights with arbitrators. :-)
Carcharoth
----------
From: Peter Casey <vassyana@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 12:16
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Yes. Contacting them to warn them that they've both crossed over the line and are face topic bans is a good idea. Jack Merridew should be reminded specifically about personalizing disputes and POINT violations. A Nobody should be warned about forum shopping/drama hunting and to heed the feedback received in the RfC.
My two cents on that.
Pete
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
----------
From: Fritz Poll <fritzpollwiki@googlemail.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 19:22
To: English Arbitration Committee mailing list <arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
(bump)
Can someone better than I handle the sending of the e-mails. This seems to have been swept up in recent events
Fred
_______________________________________________
arbcom-l mailing list
arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l