QUOTE(Somey @ Wed 18th October 2006, 10:43pm)
QUOTE(JohnA @ Wed 18th October 2006, 4:06pm)
...I think that most of Wikipedia's problems stem from Mediawiki and the inability of developers to enable proper review, prevent abuse, increase ownership, promote feedback and delegate responsibility. Instead its a First Person Shoot-em-up of World History, where the most organized team will outgun any single peon who stumbles in
Presumably you meant
decrease ownership, assuming you were referring to ownership of articles...!
No, I meant what I said. With a share of the ownership comes pride in achievement. Part of the problem of Wikipedia is that nobody owns anything, which means it can be shat upon from a great height and nobody cares as long as there's a consensus (meaning whatever most admins believe)
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But you're right, the software could be used much more effectively for applying policy more easily, or encouraging responsible user behavior, or preventing user misbehavior, than it is now. Jimbo & Co. have become increasingly delusional about the ability of the community to police itself, or even promote civility, despite the lip service they constantly pay to those concepts. It's just too big for that now...
I do have a system in mind that would achieve precisely that, by encouraging good scholarship (and rewarding it) and having a near automated system that demerits bad scholarship, trolling and anti-social behavior
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So, what worries me about Citizendium is that everything will work out just fine at first, given the smaller size of the community... Early adopters may or may not be most likely to be POV-pushers, but as long as there are relatively few of them, they'll probably get along quite well. But once the community grows past the point at which any one person can even conceive of it, they'll fall into the same trap as WP.
It doesn't matter because the biases and weaknesses of Citizendium are Larry Sanger's own biases and weaknesses. Consider William Connelley who has setup a virtual fiefdom over climate science on Wikipedia. What's to stop him doing the same on Citizendium? Nothing at all. He's supposed to be an expert, but his real art is deleting anything he doesn't like that does not fit his very narrow political POV.
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What they really need, IMO, is to enhance MediaWiki so as to make it possible to subdivide the community by topic area, pretty much at will. When one topic area gets too big, subdivide it some more. Never have more than 100 people in any one area at a time, give or take... I'm sure there's been some discussion of that, but so far there doesn't seem to be any decision on it - and it would be a fairly substantial change to the software, of course.
Yes. The ability to categorize in a meaningful way is a key characteristic of a good encyclopedia, otherwise how do you search it? It will be like Google.